Written by: Escott, 22 Dec 2007 9:50 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
What tripe! We pay the same price as everyone else except that we pay interest on this product which others don't who just pay their bills.
From: Dominican Republic
So why is our gas prices more expensive than the
US again? Can some one please break down the trickonomics ?
Written by: josean, 22 Dec 2007 11:12 AM
From: United States
With such a critical challenge facing a poor, mismanaged and institutionally corrupt country and all the Einstein of Dominican politics can offer is "coal-fired generating plants and the installation of energy saving light bulbs."
This guy is a pathetic joke!
From: United States
there, there,Josean! that is the best they can offer. after the political directorate has mismanaged and stolen the bulk of the windfall, there is precious little left over to buy a flashlight.
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
Right. I have the flashlight but no batteries.
Written by: Hatuey, 22 Dec 2007 8:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
its funny that no one has considered building a nuclear power plant from all the money saved from this agreement. Like france where 90% of its electricty is powered by nuclear. This can be done by the help of the EU and the US. If third world countries like the Phillipines can struct a nuclear power plant (granted yes it was built but it is not runned because of other circumstances) to provide electricy then why not us also. One plant alone can light up both haiti and dominican republic. Its about time Dominican Republic looks at other third world countries and see how they are progressing in certain sectors of government so that we can take it and tailor to our own needs and advance. There is a lot we can learn from Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Brazil, Phillipines, Brunei, and small nations like Andorra as well. I know cause I been to these nations and I observed how they live because it is very similar to Dominican Republic wheither you believe me or not...
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Written by: Hatuey, 22 Dec 2007 8:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
and their governments as well. As proud dominicans that we are we need to be open minded and be able to inputs from all areas to help modernize this nation and to fix the problems that have plagued our nation for to long. We cant continue being ignorant and just complain and not do anything. We are a people of solution and action, after all we are independent arent we? We kicked out Haiti didnt we? We put up a fight when the americans came? The first in the americas to install education in the barracks for the enlisted personal of the military and that was in the late 1800's! The first in many things and followers on other things. But we have the ability, and we should use it
Written by: Escott, 22 Dec 2007 8:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
Put up a fight when the Americans came?
hehehehe funny
You are starting to sound like Leonel!
Written by: Hatuey, 22 Dec 2007 8:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If you dont believe me then read your history its all their, hell I know because my great great grandfather is Ramon Natera.
Written by: Escott, 22 Dec 2007 9:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
oh stop it, my side is killing me.
Written by: Belial, 22 Dec 2007 10:13 PM
From: United States, Texas
"So why is our gas prices more expensive than the
US again? Can some one please break down the trickonomics ?"
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The US imperialists sent its IMF, World Bank, IADB, and other thieves to the DR and stole every penny of the $575 million.
Written by: Hatuey, 22 Dec 2007 10:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
imperialists, wow. I didnt know we still had those around now a days. Spoken like a true communista
Written by: Belial, 22 Dec 2007 10:35 PM
From: United States, Texas
"What tripe! We pay the same price as everyone else except that we pay interest on this product which others don't who just pay their bills."
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If the DR stops letting itself be exploited by the US imperialists, it may someday learn about the possibility of earning interest on $575 million saved.
Pertocribe charges 2% interest on unpaid balances for oil sales, but if the DR were to invest the $575 million savings at a 5% interest rate in no-risk government securities -- e.g., US Treasuries and German bonds -- the DR would walk away, without lifting a finger, with about $17 million annual profit [ $28M(or 5% of 575M) LESS 11M (or 2% of 575M) = 17 M) .
But the DR prefers to give the 17M profit to vicious US parasites with imperialist proclivities in order to get patted by northern gentlemen on the head, shoulders, or on their behinds.
Naturally, the US parasites are indescribaly delighted.
Written by: Belial, 22 Dec 2007 10:53 PM
From: United States, Texas
"imperialists, wow. I didnt know we still had those around now a days. Spoken like a true communista"
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Really! You didn't know? Wow!
Where have you been?
UK research firm found that the US aggression and occupation of Iraq occasioned the deaths of 1.2 million citizens by SEPT.. 2007, under the pretext of the US manufactured "civil war."
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78A not totally unknown US research organization -- John Hopkins University -- found that US aggression and occupation occasioned the deaths of about 650,000 Iraqi citizens by OCT. 2006.
http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealth....eases/2006/burnham_iraq_2006.htmlHow many human beings do the US imperialists have to kill before you "know" ... cappie (or pro-capitalist)
Everyday the US steals 2 million barrels of oil from Iraq. Can you multiply 2M times $90 a barrel?
Written by: Hatuey, 22 Dec 2007 11:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You really speak about things you dont know, you go off by newspaper articles by junior reporters. Check your source. And I been to Iraq and I can tell you first hand whats going on over there, and why people are dieing on both sides. Its over your head the Iraq War and it aint about oil because Iraq barely has 10% of the worlds oil source. So dont bring that up as material for your defense for why the US are aggressers with an imperialistic attitude. Those 650,000 civilians comprise of many different people, insurgents, streetgangs (yes, there are streetgangs competing for turf and to sell drugs in Baghdad) and yes innocent people which died from collatoral damage, but the same innocent people that are also killed by their own people because of religous/political differences. Put that into your calculations and yes a lot of people have died. So dont bring up the Iraqi War cause you dont obiviously dont know what your talking about
Written by: Belial, 22 Dec 2007 11:26 PM
From: United States, Texas
"You really speak about things you dont know, you go off by newspaper articles by junior reporters."
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John Hopkins University in USA is not a newspaper, the link I gave earlier was directly to the University.
Nor is Opinion Research in UK a newspaper, the link I gave above is directly to the research firm.
If you bother to check the credentials of the researchers of these studies, you find everyone of them has a doctorate in statistics or demography or related fields. All have published in peer-review scientific publications.
You yourself are the one addicted to the lies and concealments of the US bourgeois media about the ongoing US-generated genocide in Iraq.
I hope you weren't in Iraq as a US mercenary. There are about 30,000 US mercenaries there and about 20,000 US controlled mercenaries from other countries. They are filthy death squads composed exclusively of savages.
Written by: Belial, 22 Dec 2007 11:29 PM
From: United States, Texas
I mentioned the Iraq thing to demonstrate the continued existence of US imperialism, not to get off tropic.
Written by: Hatuey, 22 Dec 2007 11:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
once again get your facts straight, if you dont believe me catch a flight to Kuwait and then pay $10 to go to the Iraqi border and drive to Baghdad, and see it for yourself. And those "Researchers" with doctorates in statistics and related fields, I imagine never step foot on Iraqi soil. Easy to analyze from an air conditioned office in the states, then hands on on the field. Much like you
From: Dominican Republic
Hatuey, you lost all credibility when you categorically stated that the war in Iraq was not about oil! It's not my intent here to change the topic but to simply point out that you created a huge credibility gap.
Written by: Belial, 23 Dec 2007 12:03 AM
From: United States, Texas
"I imagine never step foot on Iraqi soil. "
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The patriotic resistance of the Iraqi people fighting foreign occupation and conquest has been in Iraq a lot longer than pro-imperialist mercenaries, troops, or observers. The Iraqi patriotic resistance denounces everything these mercenaries and imperial obsevers say about Iraq as deliberate falsehoods.
Your alleged visit to Iraq does not attest to your veracity, rather the alleged visit undermines it and makes your veracity suspect.
Iraq is a graveyard for independent journalists and media personnel. About 100 of them have been murdered during the last four years, mostly by imperialist troops. Reporters working for or with the occupation forces of the aggressive and genocidal US regime are unmolested. Not one of pro-imperialist reporters has been murdered.
Written by: Belial, 23 Dec 2007 12:06 AM
From: United States, Texas
DR got a taste of the pathologically falsifying US troops and US observers during the US aggression and occupation of 1965 against the DR.
From: Dominican Republic
Extreme language is counter productive to any debate or discussion. Food for thought!!!
Written by: josean, 23 Dec 2007 12:14 AM
From: United States
Written by: Belial, 23 Dec 2007 12:40 AM
From: United States, Texas
"Extreme language is counter productive to any debate or discussion. Food for thought!!!"
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I agree. And I dine on this kind of food at every opportunity.
But what is extreme here? Is it the US-organized genocide in Iraq or language and web links to scholarly institutions that research and describe it?
And there was also the bitter and unforgetable taste of US-organized genocide in DR in 1965 and Haiti is 2004 and 2005.
Like Iraq in 2003, the US military operations against DR in 1965 ... one of many US invasions of the country ... and Haiti 2004 and 2005 were based on flagrant and the foulest lies and slanders.
Don't you believe that these imperial acts by a pathologically obsessive aggressor are a tad more extreme that their mere describtions?
Why don't the US regime and its fanatical supporters resort to pleasant and soothing euphemisms with they talk about Venezuela, Cuba, and Petrocaribe. They seem to see something evil in the DR saving $575 million.
From: Dominican Republic
All I'm saying is that if you have a message that you want to broadcast to the widest possible audience then what you don't want to do is speak a language of the fifties and sixties. You can still get your point across far more effectively if you speak the language of your target audience. You are not doing that and as important as your message may be, it will get lost for the most part.
Written by: Belial, 23 Dec 2007 1:14 AM
From: United States, Texas
"All I'm saying is that if you have a message that you want to broadcast to the widest possible audience then what you don't want to do is speak a language of the fifties and sixties. You can still get your point across far more effectively if you speak the language of your target audience. You are not doing that and as important as your message may be, it will get lost for the most part."
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You make a good point.
But I'm tired of contemporary language.
I don't know the percentages of the ideological and political division of the people of the DR. But I know there are reactionaries, people walking in the middle of the road, and so-called liberals.
There is no language, no matter how beautiful or sedate, that can move a reactionary away from his backwardness.
Liberals use language that is violent ... mine is only a bit heated ... to say the same things.
Most of the middle are watching baseball games and find all forms of language distracting.
From: Dominican Republic
A famous man once said "socialists are liberals in a hurry". No point in scaring people away. In the "Tortoise and the Hare" it was the tortoise that won the race. It took 400 years to get the Dominican Ship moving in this direction. It will take a while to get it to move in a different direction but it won't happen without forceful (read forceful arguments) and constant (read repeated) pressure. We all want a better country but we have to build it from scratch. Start by educating our young. It's too late for the majority of the adults but there is hope in the young.
Written by: Belial, 23 Dec 2007 1:46 AM
From: United States, Texas
"socialists are liberals in a hurry"
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That's wonderful.
I never heard it before.
You must be person with judicious judgment.
By the way, liberals don't take steroids like reactionaries and socialists.
From: United States
to Belial.. your analysis of putting the principal in us treasury bonds and making 3-4 percent interest is exactly what i said in another post. so , at least, we now have two crazy posters for some of you other guys to challenge!!
Written by: Belial, 23 Dec 2007 8:29 PM
From: United States, Texas
Petrocaribe Final Declaration
Cienfuegos, Dec 21 (ACN) The final declaration of the Fourth Petrocaribe Summit described the regional energy project as a model of cooperation among developing countries, guided by solidarity and special treatment towards nations with fewer energy resources.
The heads of state and government attending the summit approved the document during the final working session at the Jagua Hotel in the south-central Cuban city of Cienfuegos.
The document reaffirms that the agreements reached by the regional integration program, which now groups 17 nations, constitute an important tool to guarantee energy security and to promote sustainable economic and social development of Petrocaribe member countries.
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Ten years ago, this Venezuelan oil went to the USA, at depressed market prices like $8 a barrel, with US oil companies paying only 1% tax on production to the Venezuelan government.
Imperialists didn't snivel about a Petrocaribe give-a-way then.
Written by: Escott, 24 Dec 2007 6:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
The US imperialists sent its IMF, World Bank, IADB, and other thieves to the DR and stole every penny of the $575 million.
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Hmmmm... And I thought our fearless leader said it went to help our electricity sector.
I have written you off as a kook already since you are here just to bash the US even thought the conversation is about the DR and Venezuela. Just one question, have you ever been to the Dominican Republic?
Are you just using Dominican Republic news and discussions to spread your toxic hatred of the US where you actually live (and I find it hard to believe you live there with your attitude)?
Written by: Escott, 24 Dec 2007 6:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
to Belial.. your analysis of putting the principal in us treasury bonds and making 3-4 percent interest is exactly what i said in another post. so , at least, we now have two crazy posters for some of you other guys to challenge!!
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000That wouldn't be crazy! You don't think I am arguing with good business do you? I am truly a business man at heart and like to do things correctly.
Alas, this ain't gonna happen here in the DR. I think that the 2 of you are completely out of touch with what is going on in this country. Easy to prophetize from your desks in the US but it is a lot different here.
I could give you 100 examples of bad business decisions on the part of the RD Government if it would help but you are set in your ways and the Kook is just here to Hammer the US even though the US certainly has no part in the Agreement between the RD and Venezuela. He just spews toxic hatred for one reason or another about the US.
Written by: Lautaro, 24 Dec 2007 8:00 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
To Hatuey:
Do you really think that Iraq is better off now than before the US occupation? Why are you so obsessed with disregarding the chief role that the US have played in the current carnage? Haven't you heard about Blackwater and the military-industrial complex?
Written by: Escott, 24 Dec 2007 9:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
Why are you discussing the US and Iraq in a article about RD-Oil-Venezuela?
From: United States
Escott, not because the DR is likely to make a hash of the arrangement makes it a bad idea. it is like saying that driving cars is a bad idea because they could fall into the hands of drunk drivers. and, as Mr Lautaro states, Iraq is a million times worse today than before the occupation. the only people who have benefitted are the service providers such as KBR, Blackwater, Halliburton, and the various arms purveyors. the country is a complete disaster, and the refugees number in the millions.it will take decades to undo the mess that the neconservative maniacs made there. that is incontrovertible.
Written by: Lautaro, 24 Dec 2007 9:31 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Mr. Escott, the nature of globalization makes it impossible for a disaster that happens in one country to remain contained there for long, because, sooner or later, the consequences of the disaster end up reaching everyone on the economic chain worldwide. In the present case, the US intervention in Iraq has been one of the factors that have made possible for the oil prices to skyrocket. An event that makes treaties like Petrocaribe a necessity, because, notwithstanding the DR government's politcal alignment with the US for intends and purposes, the DR could not give itself the luxury of forsaking its fragile social stability just to be on the neocons good graces. Any political gambler with two fingers on front knows that a gamble like that it's not worth playing.
Written by: Escott, 24 Dec 2007 9:31 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
It makes it a bad idea for those of us that live here and that are affected by this.
To tell you the truth I don't care about Iraq, Africa, Middle East Europe and the US. I care about the Dominican Republic.
I care what happens here and not anywhere else. Just ndebting the next generation and the generation after that to Venezuela makes no sense at 0% interest because it will all be wasted.
So YES for the DR it is a bad deal.
If you want to discuss Iraq please submit an editorial to Dominican Today and discuss it there and I will be happy to NOT comment on it and NOT ask that it not be discussed off topic as it is here.
Written by: Lautaro, 24 Dec 2007 9:40 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
The DR's economy depends so much on the good health of the US one that any disaster that might befall it (God forbid) could be felt instantly on the DR, mr. Escott. So it's a given that many of us here have to be with the fingers crossed every time the US embarks itself on any military adventure.
From: United States
Escott, maybe you would like to suggest alternative lending institutions if we eschew the petrocaribe deal. maybe in that list you can include some institutions who do not charge interest and who do not expect repayment. because the fact that we need loans is a given. you keep referring to the fact that with petrocaribe in place, the government is incurring indebtedness. i thought that was what happened in all cases when you borrow money!!!
Written by: Belial, 24 Dec 2007 4:27 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Just one question, have you ever been to the Dominican Republic?"
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I once toured the country as a member of US military band stationed in Puerto Rico.
What you see in the political sphere is determined by your ideological and moral make-up. Bourgeois ideology perverts the vision and, as a result, the grotesque seems wonderful and the wonderful seems grotesque.
The US people are about evenly -- reactionaries, independents, and liberals.
Individuals in these ideological tendencies don't see the same things at the same place at the same time ... in the DR or in the USA. US liberals, for example, despise US reactionaries or conservatives and detest what reactionaries see in the USA and elsewhere. And vice versa.
A US reactionary is always pro-imperialist no matter where he's at or when he's there. What he sees is tinted by his imperial lenes. He craves the blood and money of others. The DR better watch out.
So, "being there" isn't necessary or important.
Written by: Belial, 24 Dec 2007 5:20 PM
From: United States, Texas
Havana, Dec 24 (Prensa Latina) Dominican State Secretary Miguel Mejias highlighted the importance of the 4th Petrocaribe Summit, held in Cuba, and called that project on Monday a true example of Caribbean and Latin American integration.
He said Petrocaribe is really impressive, because the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is the only oil producing country that decided to share its resources with other nations in an advantageous way, showing solidarity.
Mejias said his country is a signatory of the Petrocaribe agreement, due to which it receives 50,000 oil barrels a day, for consumption of 140,000, being a significant contribution to the Dominican energy needs.
Thanks to those deliveries, the serious problems caused by the rise in oil prices in the international market, have not hindered effective development of social plans in favor of those who have less, as subsidy of electric power to that people's sector.
[US imperialists insatiably crave the DR's profits.]
Written by: Belial, 24 Dec 2007 6:23 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Petroleumworld," a rabid and deranged pro-imperialist site, recognizes the significance of Petrocaribe, although the site doesn't welcome the significance.
"Chávez reminded that Petrocaribe is conceived like an organ able to assure the coordination and articulation of the energy policies, including the oil and its derivatives, gas, power energy, technology cooperation, training, and energy infrastructure development, as well as taking advantage of the alternative sources, like wind and solar energy, among others," Petroleumworld writes Dec. 24 concerning Petrocaribe eight major programs.
http://www.petroleumworld.com/storyt07122401.htmThe Caribbean is getting some of the oil ... on favorable terms ... that the US imperialists used to steal from Venezuela. Today, the US imperialists don't like Venezuela and, increasingly, they don't like the Caribbean.
From: United States
Belial, do not forget the most important reason why the USA is so angry with Chavez. unlike the arab oil producers, Chavez refuses to use the venezuelan oil proceeds to buy us t-bills. all the saudi and the emirates money is tied up in the united states treasury. that allows the us to run massive deficits, finance wars, etc. secondly, Chavez was contemplating demanding oil purchase revenues in Euro, not dollars. so it is not because of his antipathy to america that he is despised..it is because he can harm their economy.
Written by: Belial, 25 Dec 2007 2:47 PM
From: United States, Texas
dreadlocks,
This is true. Saddam did the same thing monetarily before Chavez.. Then the US imperialists, who pretend to be human beings, lied on Saddam about 9/11, invaded his country, hung him, everyday steal 2,000,000 barrels of Iraqi oil, and, most horrifying of all, exterminated ... so far ... over1,200,000 Iraqi citizens.
The US imperialists want to do to Chavez what they have done to Saddam and to Venezuela what they have done to Iraq.
US imperialists are supported in the USA only by US reactionaries in both the middle and working classes. US reactionaries, of all classes, constitute only about a third of the US people or about 100 million US citizens. The rest of the US people despise the vile imperialists and their reactionary supporters, as the Nov.7, 2006, election and subsequent opinion polls show.
But Bush, the imperialist liar, and his reactionaries don't care what the majority of the US people think or feel or want.
Belial
Written by: Euromax, 26 Dec 2007 12:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bona, The holy land of the west
ohh my gosh! US$575 million is incredible! ( half a billion US$), i divided that money into 3 million people and it gave me US$190 for each individual in Dominican Republic, thats about 5,750 Dominican pesos! :0, someone do something about it theres a lot of people in need for that money!, instead of waisting that money in the Governments luxury!
Written by: Escott, 26 Dec 2007 2:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
Mr Lautaro,
I didn't respond to what you wrote because we both wrote a note at exactly the same time and I then went to Nagua for Navidad and didn't take a computer. My apologies for not responding sooner.
I disagree on your take about the US invading Iran has brought up the oil prices and kept them their. Before the US invaded Iraq there was a ban on importing Iraq oil for the longest time because Iraq never lived up to its agreement on disarming. Then they were allowed to trade Oil for Medicine and Food but that was limited. I believe after the US updated their antiquated infrastructure more oil is now being produced and exported to the world market.
Written by: Escott, 26 Dec 2007 2:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
I find it hard to believe you ever served in the US military even as a band member.
So you have been here ONCE and you are a authority on what goes on here? I believe you just found this place by accident because you probably care nothing about the country and its people and just need a stage to spread your TOXIC hatred of the US.
At first I thought you were Hugo Chevez by your speeches. Now I think I understand more.
Written by: Escott, 26 Dec 2007 2:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
Mr Dreadlocks,
So you are saying you approve of the government going deeper and deeper into debt knowing that it goes to no good?
I have a sneaking suspicion Chavez is up to no good with his "DEALS" but of course don't really have any evidence of that yet.
If a deal is too good to be true it is usually too good to be true.
Regards
Written by: Belial, 26 Dec 2007 3:31 PM
From: United States, Texas
"So you have been here ONCE and you are a authority on what goes on here? "
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An apparently experienced tourist, like yourself, is certainly no expert on a country, except in his vanity and ego.
After all, the veracity of GOP-supporters is always suspect.
Written by: cpone, 26 Dec 2007 6:02 PM
From: United States
"Written by: time2rize, 22 Dec 2007 10:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic
So why is our gas prices more expensive than the
US again? Can some one please break down the trickonomics"
Because DR is an Island man!
Why does Hawaii pay more for Gas than mainland USA?
What is wrong with you folks, don't you use the upper levels of thinking?
I wont even go into the Iraq war non sense with you cats.
Saddam is dead, Elections were held 3 times, military stability is taking hold, political is to come. No satisfying everyone. Ohh wellz
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Written by: Escott, 26 Dec 2007 6:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
Dear Mr Beliar,
I am not a tourist. I live here am a Dominican Citizen with a Dominican passport and haven't even left the Island in over a year.
Please tell me what your interest in the Dominican Republic actually is other than using these messages to try and spread your TOXIC hatred of the US even though you are supposedly a US Citizen.
Are you SURE your name isn't really Mr. Chavez? You sound just as pathetic in your rhetoric.
Written by: Belial, 26 Dec 2007 7:26 PM
From: United States, Texas
Mr. Escott,
I'm delighted to learn about your DR passport. But you are still the most perfect replica of a US reactionary that I have ever encountered. I deeply regret that you judge my contributions to the discourse here to be toxic ... [I do wish you wouldn't capitalize "toxic," such emphasis is uncalled for]. It grieves me that your opinion of my rhetoric is not the highest, for I spend a lot of time and effort improving my rhetoric.
Your use of the word " pathetic," as applied to me and my rhetoric, is unforgettable and unforgivable. I expect and demand an immediate and abject apology. You have no right or reason to abuse me. Although you don't deserve it, I always spoke to you with a veneer of dignity and class.
That you would ... without pretext, justification, or provocation ... turn, pounce, and bite me exposes your perversity.
I await your apology. Please make it as abject as the occasion requires.
Respectfully,
Belial
Written by: Escott, 26 Dec 2007 8:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
I apologize if you see things that you don't like.
I think you are just using this forum to express your TOXIC hatred of the US and don't give a whit about the Dominican Republic. You make up things as you go along and just say things that are absolutely NOT TRUE.
I still apologize if your feelings are hurt but I wish you would move on as this limited audience has experienced your TOXIC hatred of the US and everything that it stands for already.
What I just don't understand is why you are there just sucking off the big tit instead of moving to Venezuela or even Cuba where you can make a difference. Perhaps write TOXICLY for Chavez. I am sure you wouldnt be happy in any country with Democratically elected government.
You also said I was a GOP supporter but in the US I am a registered Democrat although I vote who I like and not the party line as most sheep do. So you are two for two WRONG but don't let BS Abstractions like the truth affect your TOXIC rhetoric.
Written by: Belial, 26 Dec 2007 8:11 PM
From: United States, Texas
I accept your apology, Thank you.
From: United States
actually, Escott, 30% of the current price of a barrel of oil is caused by the imposition of an uncertainty premium. because of the volatility of the political situation in the middle east, largely occasioned by the attack on iraq, there is great fear that the supply chain could be compromised. the oil vendors build in a premium to hedge against non delivery, hence the current spot price. and Cpone, please explain to those of us who do not have the luxury of your UPPER THINKING what the hell does being an island have to do with the price of petroleum? are you saying gas prices in tobago are higher than they are in burkina fasso?
Written by: cpone, 31 Dec 2007 12:04 PM
From: United States
That you can't figure it out does not SHOCK me.
But its simple. Exporting to a remote island petrol makes it more expensive as it does exporting gasoline to Hawaii, hence why they pay usually 1 dollar or more in hawaii then the do on the main land.
Its called SUPPLY and DEMAND. Try reading on it. Its helpful. You'd be surprised up much so.
Hence why Gas is more expensive in PR then it is DR, purchasing power has MUCH to do with it, refining capacity and the delivery has MUCH to do with it. Again think bro think, don't just argue against me for the sake of arguing against me.
Written by: Escott, 31 Dec 2007 12:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
Dear Mr. Capone,
Shipping is caused by distance needed to travel. The DR is closer to Venezuela than the US so shipping is less. Not a lot less because these tankers handle vast amounts of barrels of oil so divided it is minimal. It costs less to ship here than to the states though.
Point Dreadlocks!
LOL
Written by: Belial, 31 Dec 2007 1:16 PM
From: United States, Texas
Escott,
"I think you are just using this forum to express your TOXIC hatred of the US and don't give a whit about the Dominican Republic. You make up things as you go along and just say things that are absolutely NOT..."
To me, the "US" is (1) the US people ... including all the major ideological and political sectors thereof like the reactionaries, independents, and liberals under the governance of the (2) US Constitution. So there are ... to me ... two elements of the "US" -- (1) the US people and (2) the US Constitution. Absent either of the two elements, the "US" doesn't exist.
Bush has told the US people to go He-l on Iraq although two-thirds of the US people oppose US aggression against Iraq, as the Nov.7, 2006, US legislative elections and dozens of subsequent opinion polls attest.
In 2001, Bush declared "The US Constitution is nothing but a God-dam- piece of paper" and he violates it every chance he gets.
You, Escott, are a US traitor for supporting Bush.
Written by: Belial, 31 Dec 2007 1:34 PM
From: United States, Texas
Escott,
To you the "US" is only a state dominated by the bloodthirsty and reactionary sector of the US bourgeoisie .. the filthy and slimy GOPs ... a state that arose in 2000 by election fraud in Florida and was perpetuated in 2004 by worst electoral frauds chiefly in Florida and Ohio, A state that does not hold itself accountable to the US people because this illegitimate state was never elected, and a state that flagrantly disregards the rule of law, including the US Constitution, in the exercise of power.
Rotten, ugly, dirty and stinking thing that you call your "US" ... like other GOP reactionaries ... is not , in any way, the pristine and noble institution that I call my "US."
Your "US" is treason against the US people and US Constitution or, in other words, treason against my "US"
I know this is difficult for you to grasp because you're a philistine who can't understand anything more complex than the pledge of allegiance designed for the minds of 7 year olds.
Written by: cpone, 2 Jan 2008 10:06 AM
From: United States
ok Escot, which is cheaper per volume?
Shipping a couple dozen oil freighters full of oil daily to the US?
OR
Shipping 1-2 Containers daily to DR?
Which has the better economic value?
Written by: TFISKE, 3 Jan 2008 12:23 PM
From: Canada
Gas is cheaper in the DR then it is in Canada.... quit whining! Plus when ya live on an Island things will cost more sometimes... figure it out..
From: United States
Cpone, you may remain shocked , because i have no idea what you are saying. if it is simply a matter of mainland versus island, as you assert, then explain to us lesser readers why it is that gas costs 3.50 in san diego and 2.89 in new jersey. you use the term REMOTE ISLAND; what if the island is near? and if transportation costs are the only reason why gas costs more, then gas should be far cheaper in santo domingo which is a port city , than in paraguay, which is landlocked, and wherein petroleum has to travel overland for long distances. and you still have not given me the explanation of why gas is cheaper in tobago, an island, than in burkina fasso, which is on mainland africa.
Written by: Belial, 11 Jan 2008 2:38 PM
From: United States, Texas
After a working meeting on Thursday, Jan. 10, at the Miraflores Presidential Palace in Caracas with Dominica Commonwealth Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez announced that the Commonwealth of Dominica ratified this Thursday its Feb. 2007 decision to join the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas (ALBA).
This is a major step for ALBA and for Dominica.
Dominica will be the first English-speaking member of ALBA and is expected to "shine" in Caribbean Community's (Caricom) councils on account of its singular ALBA membership and benefits, perhaps leading other ambitious Caricom members into ALBA. As of Jan. 9 this year, only Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, and Nicaragua were ALBA members.
Con't
Written by: Belial, 11 Jan 2008 2:38 PM
From: United States, Texas
Dominica Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit, at 36, is the youngest head of state in the world. Skerrit, a graduate of the University of Mississippi with a degree in English, has forged, since his 2004 election, a friendly and useful relationship with Fidel Cast and Hugo Chavez, a relationship which has resulted in Dominica, pop. 72,000, getting substantial aid from Cuba and Venezuela, opening eyes and the mouths of the English, Spanish, and French speaking Caribbean.
About a 1000 Cuban and Venezuelan experts in energy, education, health care, agriculture, tourism, housing and other construction are working in Dominica and have helped to performed ... in only three years ... an economic miracle on the tiny Caribbean island.
Evidently, Dominica is grateful for this past help and is also ambitious for more cooperation with Cuba and Venezuela.
con't
Written by: Belial, 11 Jan 2008 2:42 PM
From: United States, Texas
Dominica, with 754 sq km of territory, is set to play a major part in the Petrocaribe, one of the most vibrant international organizations in the hemisphere.
In energy, crude oil from Venezuela will be stored in huge amounts on the island of Dominica for distribution to other Caribbean countries and a $80,000,000 oil refinery will be constructed on the island with Venezuelan cooperation. In tourism, the Venezuelan government has given Dominica a US$10.1 million grant for the expansion of the Melville Hall Airport and forgiven the island nation's US$1.5 million debt to Venezuela. [However, the IMF quickly jumped ... trying to steal the $1.5 million before it could be used to upgrade tourist facilities.]
con't
Written by: Belial, 11 Jan 2008 2:43 PM
From: United States, Texas
In agriculture, the island can pay for 40% of its Petrocaribe oil imports ... about 900 barrels a day ... with its main export -- bananas, an incentive for increasing the production of bananas and other crops, something in which the Cuban agricultural experts on the island are helping.
In health care, about 500 blind Dominicans have had their sight restored in either Cuba or Venezuela by the internationally acclaimed Mission Miracle program, Cuban doctors are practicing on the island, a little over a 100 Dominica students now attend Cuban medical and nursing schools and about 75 Dominican students are in other Cuban schools.
In education, about 2000 Venezuelan and Cuban scholarships are available to qualified Dominican students in computer science, medicine, engineering, sports (which is very popular).physics, math, and agriculture.
[The US imperialists, on the other hand, offer only Jesus Christ to the 72,000 people of Dominica.]
con't
Written by: Belial, 11 Jan 2008 2:48 PM
From: United States, Texas
It is a mistake to believe that the rest of the Caribbean, including the closest allies of the US imperialists like the Guatemalan and Honduran regimes, is not watching these developments between Dominica and the region's revolutionary forces with interest. Honduran reactionaries, perhaps the closest ally of the US imperialists in the region, have already rudely fought their way into Petrocaribe. And Guatemala is banging hard on Petrocaribe's door. Without getting any credit so far, the Dominican Republic (DR) is something of a leader of the reactionary bourgeois regimes in the region with regard to cooperation deals between reactionary and revolutionary governments, rejecting somewhat the constant flow of lies and slanders from the US bourgeois media and from the US regime that Cuba, for example, is too "impoverished and backward" to provide significant amounts of foreign aid to the poorer countries of region.
con't
Written by: Belial, 11 Jan 2008 2:49 PM
From: United States, Texas
THE END
The DR's example is being quietly followed or copied by other reactionaries.
However, the decision of Dominica to join ALBA does not evidence a closer relationship between reactionary bourgeois and revolutionary proletarian governments, rather it evidences a closer relationship between a liberal bourgeois regime in Dominica and, for the most part, the revolutionary proletarian governments in ALBA; hence, the Dominica decision to join ALBA is a lot more promising politically and ideologically than the growing appeal of Petrocaribe and ALBA to regional reactionaries.
From: United States
Belial, the more things change, the more they remain the same. Skerritt is not doing anything that was not done before in the caribbean. remember the invasion of Grenada? they were trying an experimental social arrangement, similar to that of Michael Manley in the island of Jamaica, called democratic socialism. both governments began to embrace cuba, not communism. the object of the exercise was to learn methodologies which were applicable to the caribbean, such as construction, building dams, etc. well, the CIA moved into jamaica and destabilised the government, and the usa invaded grenada, which they claimed was going communist. it remains to be seen how long it will take washington to sabotage Skerritt.
Written by: Belial, 11 Jan 2008 6:10 PM
From: United States, Texas
Dreadlocks,
These Caribbean countries MAY perish (1) quietly and politely from their imperialistically imposed under-development or (2) from the aggression, military occupation, and genocide of the US imperialism.
Take your pick.
But don't presume that patriotic resistance to US imperialism is alway fatal. That Cuba provides the highest standard of living to its people in all of Latin America and Caribbean, if one deigns to accept education, health care, nutrition, and housing as the main indicators of the living standards show that the widespread fatalism about the prospects of patriotic resistance to US imperialism is exaggerated.
If Cuba-Venezuela don't institute a Mission AIDS, like their already fabulously successful "Mission Miracle" for the blind, the English Caribbean is on its way out of existence, no matter how quietly and politely it behaves.
Cuba-Venezuela (C-V) can't do a HIV Miracle if Caribbean reactionaries stab C-V in the back. Help needs help, too.
Written by: Belial, 11 Jan 2008 6:37 PM
From: United States, Texas
I understand and feel the deepest pity for those who believe that they must adhere to the US imperial agenda which now ... self-servingly ... places the US war of terrorism on terrorism above the immense pestilence of AIDS ... now causing 5,000,000 needless deaths a year ... and also above global warming ... [who knows what calamities it presages] ... that affict many countries more than terrorism, the imperial priority.
But I believe that people with problems more grave than those at the top of the US imperial agenda must bear the imperial wrath of deviating from the imperial agenda.
Screw the US war of terrorism on terorism, AIDS and global warming are infinitely more
terrifying.
We must demand a new agenda with new priorities.
We must have backbone even if we do lose against US imperialists. We may not win if we fight, but we will lose if we don't fight.
Only a nut expects help from the US imperialists on AIDS or global warming.
Written by: Belial, 11 Jan 2008 6:53 PM
From: United States, Texas
Dreadlocks, you may not believe this, but the DR has grave problems with both AIDS and global warming, but you will never suspect it from the content of the discussion, so far, in the DR presidential race.
The imperial agenda reigns in the DR.
From: United States
Belial; are you saying that there is discussion in the current runup to the presidential election in the DR? i thought it was simply a matter of photo -ops and livestock giveaways. does anyone in the DR know where any candidate stands on anything? what is Leonel´s current assessment of DR-CAFTA, and on what factors does he base his assessment? what does Vargas think about global warming? nobody knows, because the candidates do not believe that the public has a right to know these things. in certain respects, we are no more democratic here than cuba is; at least they have an educated population that understands politics. we have a thin veneer of very educated people , but the rest of the folks do not figure in the political equation, except to cast a bought -and -paid -for vote
Written by: Belial, 12 Jan 2008 2:29 PM
From: United States, Texas
Dreadlocks, this is from another thread here.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....e-Dominican-ruling-party#comments0000000
Written by: Belial, 12 Jan 2008 2:06 PM
From: United States
The two leading issues, on which both sides of the presidential race agree, are for the challenger "I will steal less than you and I will "manage" what I don't steal better than you"
and for the incumbent "You stole more than I have and you didn't manage anything because you left nothing."
I love it. I love it.
Now this is bourgeois democracy or what V. Lenin calls the "pigsty."
The people, of course, are supposed to forget that they are hungry, uneducated, homeless, and sick and try to figure which bourgeois reactionary running for the office of president will steal less and manage better what's not stolen.
This is a clear and concise bourgeois idea of liberty and justice for all.
Written by: Belial, 8 Feb 2008 12:47 PM
From: United States, Texas
Yesterday, Feb 7, Exxon, other US imperialists, UK imperialists, the imperial thieves of the Netherlands, and the World Bank announced a scheme to rip off Venezuela for about $50 billion, placing the initial sum however at about $12 billion.
The scheme aims to steal from Venezuela about 13 refineries and other petroleum installations in the USA, UK, the Netherlands and its colonies in the Caribbean.
Although the imperialists set the world market price of oil in NYC and London, there are a number of measures that Venezuela can take to elevate the price of oil to compensate itself for the rip-off.
If Venezuela goes that way ... then watch out, everybody ... the rotten capitalist economic world structure could collapse.
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US again? Can some one please break down the trickonomics ?
With such a critical challenge facing a poor, mismanaged and institutionally corrupt country and all the Einstein of Dominican politics can offer is "coal-fired generating plants and the installation of energy saving light bulbs."
This guy is a pathetic joke!
continued...
hehehehe funny
You are starting to sound like Leonel!
US again? Can some one please break down the trickonomics ?"
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The US imperialists sent its IMF, World Bank, IADB, and other thieves to the DR and stole every penny of the $575 million.
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If the DR stops letting itself be exploited by the US imperialists, it may someday learn about the possibility of earning interest on $575 million saved.
Pertocribe charges 2% interest on unpaid balances for oil sales, but if the DR were to invest the $575 million savings at a 5% interest rate in no-risk government securities -- e.g., US Treasuries and German bonds -- the DR would walk away, without lifting a finger, with about $17 million annual profit [ $28M(or 5% of 575M) LESS 11M (or 2% of 575M) = 17 M) .
But the DR prefers to give the 17M profit to vicious US parasites with imperialist proclivities in order to get patted by northern gentlemen on the head, shoulders, or on their behinds.
Naturally, the US parasites are indescribaly delighted.
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Really! You didn't know? Wow!
Where have you been?
UK research firm found that the US aggression and occupation of Iraq occasioned the deaths of 1.2 million citizens by SEPT.. 2007, under the pretext of the US manufactured "civil war."
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78
A not totally unknown US research organization -- John Hopkins University -- found that US aggression and occupation occasioned the deaths of about 650,000 Iraqi citizens by OCT. 2006.
http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealth....eases/2006/burnham_iraq_2006.html
How many human beings do the US imperialists have to kill before you "know" ... cappie (or pro-capitalist)
Everyday the US steals 2 million barrels of oil from Iraq. Can you multiply 2M times $90 a barrel?
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John Hopkins University in USA is not a newspaper, the link I gave earlier was directly to the University.
Nor is Opinion Research in UK a newspaper, the link I gave above is directly to the research firm.
If you bother to check the credentials of the researchers of these studies, you find everyone of them has a doctorate in statistics or demography or related fields. All have published in peer-review scientific publications.
You yourself are the one addicted to the lies and concealments of the US bourgeois media about the ongoing US-generated genocide in Iraq.
I hope you weren't in Iraq as a US mercenary. There are about 30,000 US mercenaries there and about 20,000 US controlled mercenaries from other countries. They are filthy death squads composed exclusively of savages.
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The patriotic resistance of the Iraqi people fighting foreign occupation and conquest has been in Iraq a lot longer than pro-imperialist mercenaries, troops, or observers. The Iraqi patriotic resistance denounces everything these mercenaries and imperial obsevers say about Iraq as deliberate falsehoods.
Your alleged visit to Iraq does not attest to your veracity, rather the alleged visit undermines it and makes your veracity suspect.
Iraq is a graveyard for independent journalists and media personnel. About 100 of them have been murdered during the last four years, mostly by imperialist troops. Reporters working for or with the occupation forces of the aggressive and genocidal US regime are unmolested. Not one of pro-imperialist reporters has been murdered.
Point of information:
Iraq has the fourth largest reserves of oil.
Source
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html
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I agree. And I dine on this kind of food at every opportunity.
But what is extreme here? Is it the US-organized genocide in Iraq or language and web links to scholarly institutions that research and describe it?
And there was also the bitter and unforgetable taste of US-organized genocide in DR in 1965 and Haiti is 2004 and 2005.
Like Iraq in 2003, the US military operations against DR in 1965 ... one of many US invasions of the country ... and Haiti 2004 and 2005 were based on flagrant and the foulest lies and slanders.
Don't you believe that these imperial acts by a pathologically obsessive aggressor are a tad more extreme that their mere describtions?
Why don't the US regime and its fanatical supporters resort to pleasant and soothing euphemisms with they talk about Venezuela, Cuba, and Petrocaribe. They seem to see something evil in the DR saving $575 million.
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You make a good point.
But I'm tired of contemporary language.
I don't know the percentages of the ideological and political division of the people of the DR. But I know there are reactionaries, people walking in the middle of the road, and so-called liberals.
There is no language, no matter how beautiful or sedate, that can move a reactionary away from his backwardness.
Liberals use language that is violent ... mine is only a bit heated ... to say the same things.
Most of the middle are watching baseball games and find all forms of language distracting.
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That's wonderful.
I never heard it before.
You must be person with judicious judgment.
By the way, liberals don't take steroids like reactionaries and socialists.
Cienfuegos, Dec 21 (ACN) The final declaration of the Fourth Petrocaribe Summit described the regional energy project as a model of cooperation among developing countries, guided by solidarity and special treatment towards nations with fewer energy resources.
The heads of state and government attending the summit approved the document during the final working session at the Jagua Hotel in the south-central Cuban city of Cienfuegos.
The document reaffirms that the agreements reached by the regional integration program, which now groups 17 nations, constitute an important tool to guarantee energy security and to promote sustainable economic and social development of Petrocaribe member countries.
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Ten years ago, this Venezuelan oil went to the USA, at depressed market prices like $8 a barrel, with US oil companies paying only 1% tax on production to the Venezuelan government.
Imperialists didn't snivel about a Petrocaribe give-a-way then.
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Hmmmm... And I thought our fearless leader said it went to help our electricity sector.
I have written you off as a kook already since you are here just to bash the US even thought the conversation is about the DR and Venezuela. Just one question, have you ever been to the Dominican Republic?
Are you just using Dominican Republic news and discussions to spread your toxic hatred of the US where you actually live (and I find it hard to believe you live there with your attitude)?
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000That wouldn't be crazy! You don't think I am arguing with good business do you? I am truly a business man at heart and like to do things correctly.
Alas, this ain't gonna happen here in the DR. I think that the 2 of you are completely out of touch with what is going on in this country. Easy to prophetize from your desks in the US but it is a lot different here.
I could give you 100 examples of bad business decisions on the part of the RD Government if it would help but you are set in your ways and the Kook is just here to Hammer the US even though the US certainly has no part in the Agreement between the RD and Venezuela. He just spews toxic hatred for one reason or another about the US.
Do you really think that Iraq is better off now than before the US occupation? Why are you so obsessed with disregarding the chief role that the US have played in the current carnage? Haven't you heard about Blackwater and the military-industrial complex?
To tell you the truth I don't care about Iraq, Africa, Middle East Europe and the US. I care about the Dominican Republic.
I care what happens here and not anywhere else. Just ndebting the next generation and the generation after that to Venezuela makes no sense at 0% interest because it will all be wasted.
So YES for the DR it is a bad deal.
If you want to discuss Iraq please submit an editorial to Dominican Today and discuss it there and I will be happy to NOT comment on it and NOT ask that it not be discussed off topic as it is here.
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I once toured the country as a member of US military band stationed in Puerto Rico.
What you see in the political sphere is determined by your ideological and moral make-up. Bourgeois ideology perverts the vision and, as a result, the grotesque seems wonderful and the wonderful seems grotesque.
The US people are about evenly -- reactionaries, independents, and liberals.
Individuals in these ideological tendencies don't see the same things at the same place at the same time ... in the DR or in the USA. US liberals, for example, despise US reactionaries or conservatives and detest what reactionaries see in the USA and elsewhere. And vice versa.
A US reactionary is always pro-imperialist no matter where he's at or when he's there. What he sees is tinted by his imperial lenes. He craves the blood and money of others. The DR better watch out.
So, "being there" isn't necessary or important.
He said Petrocaribe is really impressive, because the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is the only oil producing country that decided to share its resources with other nations in an advantageous way, showing solidarity.
Mejias said his country is a signatory of the Petrocaribe agreement, due to which it receives 50,000 oil barrels a day, for consumption of 140,000, being a significant contribution to the Dominican energy needs.
Thanks to those deliveries, the serious problems caused by the rise in oil prices in the international market, have not hindered effective development of social plans in favor of those who have less, as subsidy of electric power to that people's sector.
[US imperialists insatiably crave the DR's profits.]
"Chávez reminded that Petrocaribe is conceived like an organ able to assure the coordination and articulation of the energy policies, including the oil and its derivatives, gas, power energy, technology cooperation, training, and energy infrastructure development, as well as taking advantage of the alternative sources, like wind and solar energy, among others," Petroleumworld writes Dec. 24 concerning Petrocaribe eight major programs.
http://www.petroleumworld.com/storyt07122401.htm
The Caribbean is getting some of the oil ... on favorable terms ... that the US imperialists used to steal from Venezuela. Today, the US imperialists don't like Venezuela and, increasingly, they don't like the Caribbean.
This is true. Saddam did the same thing monetarily before Chavez.. Then the US imperialists, who pretend to be human beings, lied on Saddam about 9/11, invaded his country, hung him, everyday steal 2,000,000 barrels of Iraqi oil, and, most horrifying of all, exterminated ... so far ... over1,200,000 Iraqi citizens.
The US imperialists want to do to Chavez what they have done to Saddam and to Venezuela what they have done to Iraq.
US imperialists are supported in the USA only by US reactionaries in both the middle and working classes. US reactionaries, of all classes, constitute only about a third of the US people or about 100 million US citizens. The rest of the US people despise the vile imperialists and their reactionary supporters, as the Nov.7, 2006, election and subsequent opinion polls show.
But Bush, the imperialist liar, and his reactionaries don't care what the majority of the US people think or feel or want.
Belial
I didn't respond to what you wrote because we both wrote a note at exactly the same time and I then went to Nagua for Navidad and didn't take a computer. My apologies for not responding sooner.
I disagree on your take about the US invading Iran has brought up the oil prices and kept them their. Before the US invaded Iraq there was a ban on importing Iraq oil for the longest time because Iraq never lived up to its agreement on disarming. Then they were allowed to trade Oil for Medicine and Food but that was limited. I believe after the US updated their antiquated infrastructure more oil is now being produced and exported to the world market.
So you have been here ONCE and you are a authority on what goes on here? I believe you just found this place by accident because you probably care nothing about the country and its people and just need a stage to spread your TOXIC hatred of the US.
At first I thought you were Hugo Chevez by your speeches. Now I think I understand more.
So you are saying you approve of the government going deeper and deeper into debt knowing that it goes to no good?
I have a sneaking suspicion Chavez is up to no good with his "DEALS" but of course don't really have any evidence of that yet.
If a deal is too good to be true it is usually too good to be true.
Regards
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An apparently experienced tourist, like yourself, is certainly no expert on a country, except in his vanity and ego.
After all, the veracity of GOP-supporters is always suspect.
From: Dominican Republic
So why is our gas prices more expensive than the
US again? Can some one please break down the trickonomics"
Because DR is an Island man!
Why does Hawaii pay more for Gas than mainland USA?
What is wrong with you folks, don't you use the upper levels of thinking?
I wont even go into the Iraq war non sense with you cats.
Saddam is dead, Elections were held 3 times, military stability is taking hold, political is to come. No satisfying everyone. Ohh wellz
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I am not a tourist. I live here am a Dominican Citizen with a Dominican passport and haven't even left the Island in over a year.
Please tell me what your interest in the Dominican Republic actually is other than using these messages to try and spread your TOXIC hatred of the US even though you are supposedly a US Citizen.
Are you SURE your name isn't really Mr. Chavez? You sound just as pathetic in your rhetoric.
I'm delighted to learn about your DR passport. But you are still the most perfect replica of a US reactionary that I have ever encountered. I deeply regret that you judge my contributions to the discourse here to be toxic ... [I do wish you wouldn't capitalize "toxic," such emphasis is uncalled for]. It grieves me that your opinion of my rhetoric is not the highest, for I spend a lot of time and effort improving my rhetoric.
Your use of the word " pathetic," as applied to me and my rhetoric, is unforgettable and unforgivable. I expect and demand an immediate and abject apology. You have no right or reason to abuse me. Although you don't deserve it, I always spoke to you with a veneer of dignity and class.
That you would ... without pretext, justification, or provocation ... turn, pounce, and bite me exposes your perversity.
I await your apology. Please make it as abject as the occasion requires.
Respectfully,
Belial
I think you are just using this forum to express your TOXIC hatred of the US and don't give a whit about the Dominican Republic. You make up things as you go along and just say things that are absolutely NOT TRUE.
I still apologize if your feelings are hurt but I wish you would move on as this limited audience has experienced your TOXIC hatred of the US and everything that it stands for already.
What I just don't understand is why you are there just sucking off the big tit instead of moving to Venezuela or even Cuba where you can make a difference. Perhaps write TOXICLY for Chavez. I am sure you wouldnt be happy in any country with Democratically elected government.
You also said I was a GOP supporter but in the US I am a registered Democrat although I vote who I like and not the party line as most sheep do. So you are two for two WRONG but don't let BS Abstractions like the truth affect your TOXIC rhetoric.
But its simple. Exporting to a remote island petrol makes it more expensive as it does exporting gasoline to Hawaii, hence why they pay usually 1 dollar or more in hawaii then the do on the main land.
Its called SUPPLY and DEMAND. Try reading on it. Its helpful. You'd be surprised up much so.
Hence why Gas is more expensive in PR then it is DR, purchasing power has MUCH to do with it, refining capacity and the delivery has MUCH to do with it. Again think bro think, don't just argue against me for the sake of arguing against me.
Shipping is caused by distance needed to travel. The DR is closer to Venezuela than the US so shipping is less. Not a lot less because these tankers handle vast amounts of barrels of oil so divided it is minimal. It costs less to ship here than to the states though.
Point Dreadlocks!
LOL
"I think you are just using this forum to express your TOXIC hatred of the US and don't give a whit about the Dominican Republic. You make up things as you go along and just say things that are absolutely NOT..."
To me, the "US" is (1) the US people ... including all the major ideological and political sectors thereof like the reactionaries, independents, and liberals under the governance of the (2) US Constitution. So there are ... to me ... two elements of the "US" -- (1) the US people and (2) the US Constitution. Absent either of the two elements, the "US" doesn't exist.
Bush has told the US people to go He-l on Iraq although two-thirds of the US people oppose US aggression against Iraq, as the Nov.7, 2006, US legislative elections and dozens of subsequent opinion polls attest.
In 2001, Bush declared "The US Constitution is nothing but a God-dam- piece of paper" and he violates it every chance he gets.
You, Escott, are a US traitor for supporting Bush.
To you the "US" is only a state dominated by the bloodthirsty and reactionary sector of the US bourgeoisie .. the filthy and slimy GOPs ... a state that arose in 2000 by election fraud in Florida and was perpetuated in 2004 by worst electoral frauds chiefly in Florida and Ohio, A state that does not hold itself accountable to the US people because this illegitimate state was never elected, and a state that flagrantly disregards the rule of law, including the US Constitution, in the exercise of power.
Rotten, ugly, dirty and stinking thing that you call your "US" ... like other GOP reactionaries ... is not , in any way, the pristine and noble institution that I call my "US."
Your "US" is treason against the US people and US Constitution or, in other words, treason against my "US"
I know this is difficult for you to grasp because you're a philistine who can't understand anything more complex than the pledge of allegiance designed for the minds of 7 year olds.
Shipping a couple dozen oil freighters full of oil daily to the US?
OR
Shipping 1-2 Containers daily to DR?
Which has the better economic value?
This is a major step for ALBA and for Dominica.
Dominica will be the first English-speaking member of ALBA and is expected to "shine" in Caribbean Community's (Caricom) councils on account of its singular ALBA membership and benefits, perhaps leading other ambitious Caricom members into ALBA. As of Jan. 9 this year, only Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, and Nicaragua were ALBA members.
Con't
About a 1000 Cuban and Venezuelan experts in energy, education, health care, agriculture, tourism, housing and other construction are working in Dominica and have helped to performed ... in only three years ... an economic miracle on the tiny Caribbean island.
Evidently, Dominica is grateful for this past help and is also ambitious for more cooperation with Cuba and Venezuela.
con't
In energy, crude oil from Venezuela will be stored in huge amounts on the island of Dominica for distribution to other Caribbean countries and a $80,000,000 oil refinery will be constructed on the island with Venezuelan cooperation. In tourism, the Venezuelan government has given Dominica a US$10.1 million grant for the expansion of the Melville Hall Airport and forgiven the island nation's US$1.5 million debt to Venezuela. [However, the IMF quickly jumped ... trying to steal the $1.5 million before it could be used to upgrade tourist facilities.]
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In health care, about 500 blind Dominicans have had their sight restored in either Cuba or Venezuela by the internationally acclaimed Mission Miracle program, Cuban doctors are practicing on the island, a little over a 100 Dominica students now attend Cuban medical and nursing schools and about 75 Dominican students are in other Cuban schools.
In education, about 2000 Venezuelan and Cuban scholarships are available to qualified Dominican students in computer science, medicine, engineering, sports (which is very popular).physics, math, and agriculture.
[The US imperialists, on the other hand, offer only Jesus Christ to the 72,000 people of Dominica.]
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con't
The DR's example is being quietly followed or copied by other reactionaries.
However, the decision of Dominica to join ALBA does not evidence a closer relationship between reactionary bourgeois and revolutionary proletarian governments, rather it evidences a closer relationship between a liberal bourgeois regime in Dominica and, for the most part, the revolutionary proletarian governments in ALBA; hence, the Dominica decision to join ALBA is a lot more promising politically and ideologically than the growing appeal of Petrocaribe and ALBA to regional reactionaries.
These Caribbean countries MAY perish (1) quietly and politely from their imperialistically imposed under-development or (2) from the aggression, military occupation, and genocide of the US imperialism.
Take your pick.
But don't presume that patriotic resistance to US imperialism is alway fatal. That Cuba provides the highest standard of living to its people in all of Latin America and Caribbean, if one deigns to accept education, health care, nutrition, and housing as the main indicators of the living standards show that the widespread fatalism about the prospects of patriotic resistance to US imperialism is exaggerated.
If Cuba-Venezuela don't institute a Mission AIDS, like their already fabulously successful "Mission Miracle" for the blind, the English Caribbean is on its way out of existence, no matter how quietly and politely it behaves.
Cuba-Venezuela (C-V) can't do a HIV Miracle if Caribbean reactionaries stab C-V in the back. Help needs help, too.
But I believe that people with problems more grave than those at the top of the US imperial agenda must bear the imperial wrath of deviating from the imperial agenda.
Screw the US war of terrorism on terorism, AIDS and global warming are infinitely more
terrifying.
We must demand a new agenda with new priorities.
We must have backbone even if we do lose against US imperialists. We may not win if we fight, but we will lose if we don't fight.
Only a nut expects help from the US imperialists on AIDS or global warming.
The imperial agenda reigns in the DR.
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Written by: Belial, 12 Jan 2008 2:06 PM
From: United States
The two leading issues, on which both sides of the presidential race agree, are for the challenger "I will steal less than you and I will "manage" what I don't steal better than you"
and for the incumbent "You stole more than I have and you didn't manage anything because you left nothing."
I love it. I love it.
Now this is bourgeois democracy or what V. Lenin calls the "pigsty."
The people, of course, are supposed to forget that they are hungry, uneducated, homeless, and sick and try to figure which bourgeois reactionary running for the office of president will steal less and manage better what's not stolen.
This is a clear and concise bourgeois idea of liberty and justice for all.
The scheme aims to steal from Venezuela about 13 refineries and other petroleum installations in the USA, UK, the Netherlands and its colonies in the Caribbean.
Although the imperialists set the world market price of oil in NYC and London, there are a number of measures that Venezuela can take to elevate the price of oil to compensate itself for the rip-off.
If Venezuela goes that way ... then watch out, everybody ... the rotten capitalist economic world structure could collapse.