What positive goal can Dominican Republic get from trading with Haiti???

Illegal inmigration I guess

Are you serious JR. It's funny how you are quick to mention illegal immigration from haiti to DR, and yet you would be the first one to cry foul if the Americans are stereotyping your fellow Dominicans as illegal immigrants in the US. What hypocrisy.

Did you read the article, in a span of two weeks ban, DR lost $1.5 millio(US), multiply that by 26, and it is quite a huge chunk of money

Diliv: we did it but you know something most of the same companies that were exporting eggs and chickens to Haiti learn the leasson and now have alternative markets.

In the near future We will achieve a contingency plan and let the haitians alone

diliv, I could have not said that better myself.

Haiti is one of the DR's main Export partners.

Imagine how much more fuitful would it be if Haiti was not in the economic depression it find itself in?

diliv, you are wasting your time with JR, it doesn't matter what the article says or doesn't say. He only cares not to waste any opportunity to spew his toxic rhetoric regarding Haiti. He speaks of "alternative markets" without consideration of the higher cost of fuel that would increase the price of the offered merchandise, thus making it less rewarding to trade with the "alternative markets". He deludes himself of the the facts, numbers or any information that may help him make an intelligent argument on any Haitian issue. It's laughable the way so many "Super Patriots" make such stupid immigration statements while benefiting from another countries immigration policy.

JRRubirosa
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What positive goal can Dominican Republic get from trading with Haiti???

Illegal inmigration I guess
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Is this a serious question or an "attrappe nigot" ? Do you do any reading at all ? hmmm
one thing I have noticed here in the forum, there are Dominicans from one extreme to the other.
From the extremely smart to the extremely dumb. Can you figure with extreme do you belong to ?

You know everyone has a right to feel a certain way about their own country, but it is almost unintelligent to start putting down a whole people down based on the condition of their country. Poverty is not a sin, nor is it a choice. Very rich people can become poor, and powerful nations has become weak. JR, I will not stoop to your level to defend my beloved Haiti, but I would urge you to take a look around the World, and you would realize that your country is not that much better nor different than Haiti. You have Dominicans being discriminated against all over Latin America and the US, and yet you take pleasure in discriminating against Haiti. All I can say for that is poor you.

Haiti and Haitians have much more to offer to the World than what you mentioned. we are hard workers, intelligent, resilient, and above all, very proud of who we are. we take pride in being a unique nation with unique characteristic.

Diliv: I truly like and respect Your comments about being resilient and hard working people so for the time being, ""love and peace"

You really make a diference today in my life and once again I honor Your "Opinions with guts"

I worked with a specific group in this planet that believe in "HONOR" and "RESPECT" so believe or not with your opinions today you gain my "Respect"

The World is not as big as once thought. The powerful are very clever in dividing people all over the World for their own benefit. Could you imagine, what the Island of hispaniola could be, if bot people were able to live independent and in harmany. It could be a true paradise. But instead, we are always reminded of the Haitian occupation of DR in the 1820's, the massacre by Trujillo, the braceros, and so on. Division, last I check was only good for one thing, and that is to make fraction. By being fractionating, the Whole can never become whole.

My friend, reading your post have also made a difference for me today. I hope to check this board as often as possible. Haiti is in my blood, and I am sure DR is in your blood. We both can love our countries without hating one another. It is only because of European greed that the Island is divided today.

hey Diliv: be careful not to offend Europe or anything caucasian. JRR might end up in an eternal sulk.

Well Rubi, for one thing, I see this trade pact as a great opportunity for us to help in the reconstruction of our unfortunate neighbour, which, if you were capable of seeing it without your super patriot mindframe, you'd come to realize that the ones which have the most to gain with their recovery are precisely us. It would also be an opportunity for both states to take the game away from the smugglers and other scumbags, which are the only ones profitting from the border's current status as a no man's land. If both states had an idea of the amount of money that they're losing by the irregular trade carried out by these vagabonds, they would sign this pact with a hurry, seeing as how the language of profit$$$$$$$ is the only one capable of making the miracle of seeing our politicos being prompt and efficient.

maybe, Mr Latauro, the assorted smugglers and scumbags ,to whom you so colorfully refer , are connected to people in high places who benefit from the anarchy. regularising things might open the door to other players, affording access to those who are excluded from the game as it is currently played.

But the greatest value of a pact like this, mr. dread, would be the opportunity that it would afford both countries of finally healing their mutual wounds. Also, it would finally end the game of foreign (and local) players of stirring both countries' animosities from time to time.

you are quite correct, Mr Latauro, but, as we both know, in most cases rationality is trumped by rank and blatant self interest. it is obvious to everyone the benefits to be gained on a larger scale, but the powerful who currently control the game are quite content with the existing model: they are still making big money.

There is now pressure being put on the Haitian government to reduce the visa fees for Dominicans so that tourists can go over and enjoy the open beaches. There is a great need for the banks on both sides to open up trade relations since there is currently no way to transfer funds except via the States. There is also a huge need for the customs in Haiti to be cleared via computer from Santo Domingo to PauP so that the trucks are not held up on the border. Currently, Dominicans must send the drivers with cash, and the drivers leave the trucks idle as they go to PauP to pay the taxes. Haiti is just now getting control of its borders and ports. The DR could help tremendously by offerring technical aid in computerizing the system. The DR is losing millions of dollars every day over the chicken embargo and the stall at the border.

Mountainannie, Great post and I agree 100%. It is time for both countries to have an accord that will improve bi-lateral trade. I think Haiti should remove the visa for dominican nationals and stay their without one for 3 months tto improve intercultural relationship which will break the stereotypes dominicans have of haiti and also boost tourism from one of the people we haitians should want to visit. There is so much that can be done for both average dominican & average haitians that are mostly poor can benefit from a trade agreement. Our historical past have stopped us from advancing as people that share the same damn island.

cont. The poultry and embargo is hurting dominican merchants that need to come down from cloud 9 and negotiate rather than stir up the masses thru propaganda. There is also a new embargo of salami that is going to effect the DR. Haitian government reason for this embargo is that the bird flu can pass on to this type of product. I have my theory of what is going on but I'll let the reporters do there job. Happy Easter everyone..God bless Haiti/Dominican Republic. I have faith that Fernandez/Preval will come to a historical breaking moment on the island.

I think you all are forgetting the mass hysteria in Asia andother areas of theWorld that took place when this "Bird Flu" first broke out. Thousands of indiginents were affected andmany died as a result of contracting this disease. It took quite a period of time before the spread was contained.
Imagine,if you will, what a devistating effect this would have on the Haitian population should an epidemic occur there. The impact would be severe. Then there is the spread of thedisease to the "foul population" which could take years to contain, given the lack of proper medical personnel and propholactic procedures necessary for containment and obliteration.
I think the Haitian officials took the only course immediately available in the matter and support that decision completely given the propencity for Dominicans to ignore a problem, hoping it will go away.

TB

TB, you are absolutely correct and this also demonstrates that haiti isn't doing for nationalistic reasons but for the concern of its citizens. My main concern is with this embargo it is only going to slow down the process in haiti and can't prevent it. The bird flu could care less about who is haitian or dominican the whole island is one and will eventually spread. On that note I think it is very irresponsible of the dominican poultry sector refusing admit that they haven't controlled the spread of the bird flu and unfortunately slaughter these poultries b4 it spread even more. This would be a devastating stab in their pockets which they obviously put first before of the citizens health both haitians and dominicans. I just hope an epidemic doesn't start in the DR due to careless and selfishness. What is that saying "short term gain can become a long term pain". Algo asi..no me acuerdo.. Anyway you get the point. Happy Easter

well put jabohaitian.

Ilio
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The salami ban has been in place since the beginning of the embargo, as well as a ban on chicken soup -both of these were, in my opinion, simply retaliatory and not related to health. There is no chance that the flu can be spread through cooked products. Also remember that this is H5n2 - which has never infected humans - not the lethal H5N1 which caused human deaths in Asia. The DR is unwilling to quarantine the roosters for 30 days which is the only way to get international certification. Evidently the cock fighting lobby is stronger than the egg and poultry sector. We await news of the next outbreak.

actually, there is a sector of the haitian economy that is also hurt by the ban on egg importation: the importers.

and the people who need the eggs as a basic source of protein.... we are getting pretty grim reports of increasing deaths from hunger from around Cap Haitien. pretty sad