this will make nutty Hugo and Raul very unhappy....

Herr Doktor Johann .. this little jolt seems to have roused you from the medically induced coma .. I want that cable running under my slum .. free electricity for life .. if I can handle the extra voltage without being reduced to a neat pile of smouldering ashes .. Jawohl Herr Doktor Johann?

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Cuban Vice President in Dominican Republic

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={39B00C70-A769-4C7A-B198-A5F86B70CA28})&language=EN

Santo Domingo, Aug 17 (Prensa Latina) Cuban VP Esteban Lazo was a busy in the Dominican Republic, where he attended Pres. Leonel Fernandez' inauguration.

After the swearing-in, Lazo met with Guatemalan VP Rafael Espada to discuss the regional situation and bilateral cooperation.

Despite rains associated by tropical storm Fay, the Lazo traveled to Bani, an hour’s drive west of Santo Domingo, to pay tribute to Major General Maximo Gomez Baez (1836-1905), hero of Cuba’s independence.

In his speech before the monument to the Dominican-born hero, Lazo spoke highly of Pres. Fernandez" inauguration speech. Cuba offered LF support to fulfill the social plans he unveiled for 2008-2012, Lazo said.

[Bani has otherwise been in the news of late for a story that has the usual Colombian connection which Uribe always blames on FARC.]

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The Lazo ended his visit to Bani by touring the Maximo Gomez Technical College, built with Cuban support in the 90s.

Back in Santo Domingo, Lazo attended a rally of 500 activists from the Cuba Solidarity Campaign, which denounced the US blockade and demanded the release of the five Cubans unjustly held in US prisons since 1998 for investigating terrorists in Miami.

Lazo is due to return to Cuba on Sunday.

[I wonder if Lazo wore the traditional white uniform of the large landowner.}

the sooner the better kick his @ss outahere

"Colombia plans to supply electricity to Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico with a more than 1,000 kilometers-long underwater cable, a cost of about 4 or 5 billion dollars, said president Alvaro Uribe on Saturday. "

oooo

So, (1) the electricity is not from the PR to DR and (2) PR and DR are not 1,000 kilometers apart and (3) a cable between DR and PR doesn't cost 4 or 5 billion US dollars.

Since about quarter of energy is lost in transmission, why transmit through a 1,000 kilometers-long underwater cable from Colomia to the DR and PR?

Cuban and Venezuela are laying a cable, but it's for communications, not the transmission of energy between the Caribbean and South America.

Why doesn't Colombia want to locate the generating source of energy closer to the DR and PR and save big time on stupid transmission costs and construction costs associated of the pointless cable.

This means Colombia is just blowing hot and foul air out of its holes to get applauds..

Who is going to conduct the maintenance of these cables against the corrosive action of sea water and/or the sabotages FARC will incurr on Colombia's electrical generation? How much wattage are we talking about? The cable's gages will limit the current capacity. What about the geological activities of the Puerto Rican trench? Wouldn't that disrupt this service? I would like to know which company has the undersea water technology for repairing this undersea electrical cable!

this sounds like a really bad Idea... Energy cable, this sounds really bad......... I mean Colombia is controlled by the U.S. .... All that funding they get, Money buys a lot of loyalty ... So if energy is controlled by Colombia and Colombia by the U.S. ..... and then again soooooo much money , loaned to build a cable... hum!!!!! I think Leo is getting a cut, he is going to leave DR in the biggest debt.......

Chill dont worry when you get out of jail you can always go and live in Cuba with your heroes ....but you had better hurry because they wont be around much longer and either will nutty hugo

WOW ! an electric cord stretching from Colombia to the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico with an off / on switch...And at only 4 - 5 billion dollars ...All in the name of Globalization. What a deal.

Problem is....
Who really then controls the switch ?

Problem is...
Electric Power threw a cable at such distances HOW E L E C T R I F Y I N G.......

Problem is...
What's the monthly, yearly maintenance cost ?

Problem is...
Is it cost affective ?

Problem is...
Where's the kick back ? and to whom.

Problem is...
What would be....Brotherhood prices ?

Problem is...
What's the time frame from start to finish ? while the DR struggles with power issues.

WHY DON'T THEY...
Spend the 4 -5 billion dollars on building or improving the Power Plants that are already operating in the Dom. Rep. with out "STINGS ATTACHED".............To me it's a waste of TIME and MONEY.....GREAT PR and a good start for relationships with other Latin American Country's.

Written by: gouletcolonial, 17 Aug 2008 1:27 PM
From: Canada
Chill dont worry when you get out of jail you can always go and live in Cuba with your heroes ....but you had better hurry because they wont be around much longer and either will nutty hugo

I most likely will see Cuba before you ever will, you will Die with hatred in your blood for Fidel and the regime. You and the rest of those terrorist you call friends..... You'll be a Cold, Lonely man posting several hundred post on a net news paper for a country of which you do not belong. your almost up to 6,000 post on this site and your on day and night. Freeze your butt of in Canada. A country that does travel with Fidel..... And yes My hero Caamaño did go to Cuba........

Supply DR electricity via an undersea cable? Will this be a undercover-underwater endeavor like the drug trade; underwater via submarines? Let Colombia use the money it professes to offer on its internal chaotic existence. More than 50 years of Guerillas in their midst, and prior to that "La Violencia". And they don't round them up! So, keep your filthy narco-pesos-euros, and solve your internal issues. Has anyone ever been to a Colombian Consulate? It's like crossing the Iron Curtain. You go through metal detectors, they frisk, they stare, etc, all this negativity. Please, Uribe, Colombia you're in no shape to give anyone a hand. Go for yours! Some Colombians that I know who have elderly relatives, refuse to visit Colombia. It's a War Zone, visit and die! So, Uribe keep your pesos, save a watt, and clean up your own house b4 you try to tackle someone else's.

P.S. What's with the white suits? A "Santeros Convention"? Ache, pa' todo el mundo!
Chango 'ta veni.

GC. who are your heroes ?

Felix Rodriguez, ties to the Bush family, the bush family responsible for the deaths of several Panamanians, interrogation and execution of Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara, and his ties to George H. W. Bush during the Iran Contra Affair.

What's with the accolades for the fictitious Vice President of 'Soviet' Cuba aka Lilliput: Hernandez Lazo?
Who the dickens is this character? Did you know he existed? I had heard of Robaina.
But, Hdz Lazo? Who's this Jack in the box? Anyway, Vice President of what in Cuba? Everyone knows that Cuba is the sole property of el "Ex-igente" Castro. He runs the show, and hires the players. So, keep those cheers for people who really run things like your mentor Putin.

I don't understand why burgoise doesn't include the opportunists who brown nose their way to the top of the socialist totalitarian pyramid structures? Just those d 'proletariate' want to denigrate, and silence.

V.P.Hndz Lazo: Tell Castro that in DR, there are restaurants for all to eat, natives and tourists. That not only those of the Castro Clique can enjoy a decent meal. Remember, that "paladares" are just tastes buds, not restaurants in DR. There's no Food-Rationing, here yet. Everyone can eat here!

I heard they cut off Che's hands and sent them back to CIA HQ for ID .. I think it was more than "several" Panamanians who lost their lives during that little US picnic in Panama. Their "man" Noriega is still in Miami sucking on free Federal chow. I guess Latin America is America's "backyard" .. and they can crap in it whenever they feel the URGE. Right?

GhouliiishColon, thats correct ........ these are GC's people

Pineapple Face " cara de pina " is my hero ....actually he is said to have a refined sense of humor

Caribbean Anti-communist Legion
Was created in the Dominican Republic by the dictator Rafael Trujillo, several members of the anti-Castro Cuban Americans community where friends with Trujillo. Trujillo who will always be worst then Castro. They hate one dictator and back the other, what’s the difference? They both had people killed. Both have done good and bad for their country that can not be denied.

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COLOMBIAN SUPPLY OF ELECTRICITY

Total electricity production in 2005 was 50.4 Terrawatt-hour (TWh) . Hydroelectric plants generated 81.2 percent [now about 66%], thermal plants 18.6 percent and the Jepírachi wind plant 0.1 percent of the total.

COLOMBIAN DEMAND FOR ELECTRICITY

In 2005, total electricity consumption was 48.8 TWh, which corresponds to an average energy consumption per capita of 828 KWh per year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Colombia

CONCLUSION

Colombia has about 1,000,000 TWh excess of supply over demand.

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COLOMBIA HAS MORE BLACKOUTS THAN THE DR

Interruption frequency and duration

Service quality in Colombia, as measured by service interruptions, is much lower than the average for Latin America and the Caribbean. In 2005, the average number of interruptions per subscriber was 185.7, far above the regional average of 13 interruptions. The duration of interruptions per subscriber was 66 hours, also far above the regional average of 14 hours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Colombia

CONCLUSION

Providing electricity is not its main motive behind Colombia's transmission policies and programs.

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WHY COLOMBIA HUSTLING ELECTRICITY IN DR?

The Puebla Panama Plan includes a project of electric interconnection between Colombia and Panama that will allow the integration of Colombia with Central America. This project, carried out by Interconexiones Eléctricas S.A. - ISA in Colombia and Empresa de Transmisión Eléctrica S.A. - ETESA in Panama, entails the construction of a transmission line with 300 MW capacity (3% of installed capacity) from Colombia to Panama and 200 MW capacity in the reverse way. The line is expected to become operational in 2010.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Colombia

The Puebla-Panama Plan is a multi-billion dollar development plan [PREPARED SOLELY BY US IMPERIALISTS] formally initiated in 2001, which is intended to "promote the regional integration and development" of the nine southern states of Mexico with all of Central America and Colombia.

CON'T ON 3(b) WITH CONCLUSION

3(b)

The imperialist Panama Plan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puebla_Panama_Plan

The DR is deemed part of Central America, but control of the DR energy sector is harder for the Colombians quislings of the US imperialists to get a hold of because of all the water in the Caribbean. The Colombians believe that the Dominican weakness is greed and the Colombian can trick the Dominicans ... with a stupid 1000 KM-long extension cord ... into turning over control of energy sector by manipulating the greedy and servile elements of the Dominican bourgeoisie.

CONCLUSION

The US imperialists don't trust the patriotic peoples of Central America and DR. So, the US imperialists, using Mexico former Pres. Vicente Fox and Colombia Pres. Alvaro Uribe tricked Central America, into turning over control of their strategic energy sector to foul and vile quislings of the US imperialists in Colombia.

{Neither Mexico [according the NAFTA] nor Colombia is even Central American.

Electricity can be efficiently transmitted for distances of up to 4000 miles with losses as low as 7%. The initial cost is no problem. It is the Operation, Maintenance and Replacement (OMR) costs that will be a problem .. as somebody else has aptly pointed out here .. fixing high voltage electricity transmission cables located along the OCEAN FLOOR is a different KETTLE OF FISH. Engineers have to deal with problems of WATER PRESSURE .. SALINITY .. CURRENTS .. SEISMIC ACTIVITY. A GRAPHICAL ENGINEERING SIMULATION MODEL might help identify the MAJOR ISSUES. But there is a still a lot of THINKING and COMMON SENSE required before this project can even be considered a likelihood. Unfortunately, COMMON SENSE is NOT SO COMMON.

Electrical power is always partially lost by transmission. This applies to short distances such as between components on a printed circuit board as well as to cross country high voltage lines. The major component of power loss is due to ohmic losses in the conductors and is equal to the product of the square of the current and the resistance of the wire.

So, locating generation and transmission near the consumer always makes good sense.

belial sorry about this .....it looks like nutty hugo gets the soiled end of the stick again.....used and discarded like the used condom

my god, goulish colon and belial spueing garbarge with no idea of how things are done.

An idiot and a communist stooge.

Well the San Francisco bay bridge might be for sale.

Does anyone beleive the garbage that Columbia even has the technology to supply such a cable or has the extra capacity to supply those megawatts of power.

Another hairbrained scheme.

Just another way for Teflon Fernadez and Diandino Pena to rob the population blind.

About time DR diversifies its energy sources

Son of Karl .. in many cases .. reliable sources of hydro-electric power are located where God placed them .. have you ever heard of God Son of Karl? OK .. Hydro-Geologic and Geomorphic processes then .. along the lines of Dialectical Materialism? .. that explains why California and most of the Western US keep sucking off BC Hydro? In this case it's Colombia .. over 900 or so miles away across the Caribbean. But transmission losses are NOT the problem. That was already discussed while you were in a medically induced COMA.

Why would the Dominican Republic want to consolidate it's energy with Colombia? That's a dumb plan. Bad already that the energy sector today is runned in part by a spanish firm. The energy sector should be runned by the state, theirs enough of a monopoly with the electrical source company and the companies that distribute the electricity directly to the consumers. Dominican Republic should go after alternatives like solar power and bio-fuels, there are better means. This will cause further debts, just with the maintenance of this so called cable, and also with a country that has it's own energy problems and unstable goverment. I hope this wont go through.

You are right .. this whole thing looks nice and dramatic on paper but is very shaky in terms of engineering .. nice for showing off but not a really serious alternative .. solar and other renewable sources of energy need to be considered. You think it "won't go through"? Don't bet on it. Some pretty screwy things have happened in the past.

It’s the banks (pig men) we need to look out for here in this deal. They will leave DR. and Colombia in deep dept. Read “Confessions of an economic hit man”. great read

The Inter American Development Bank (IADB) makes loans to the governments of its borrowing member countries at standard commercial rates of interest, and has preferred creditor status, meaning that borrowers will repay loans to the IADB before repaying other obligations to other lenders such as commercial banks.

In the current credit crunch or liquidity crisis, standard commercial rates of interest may vary from 8% to 20% and sometimes even higher.

If Colombia and the IADB loaned the Dominican government the money for the cable at a "soft" 10% rate of interest on the 4 or 5 billion dollar principal, that means the DR will dish out at least $ 400 or $500 million in interest payments per year alone to stay current on the debt ... NOT counting the cost of the electricity that Colombia will sell to DR at "brotherly" prices.

The DR couldn't keep up with the Colombian and IADB notes even if it tripled the rate it charges electricity customers.

Your right Balial,
My question is what does the U.S. (IADB) really want after they rescue the defaulting Dominican government. From this impossible debt? A new base, or what natural resources can they steal from the people of the DR. ?

Let us stop BEATING about the "BUSH".. (smirk) .. US IADB .. WORLD BANK(IBRD) .. IMF .. AID .. are all instruments of US FOREIGN POLICY. Does that answer your question?

natural resources ? beach sand ,

Herr Doktor Johann .. are you sure they replaced all the stuff they took out in that botched brain surgery up in Samana? .. there you go again insulting our beautiful country .. that sand is worth a lot of cash .. I mean look at Miami Beach .. Fort Lauderdale .. Palm Beach .. Daytona Beach .. where would they be without all that white shiny sand? There is gold in them thar sands. Jawohl Herr Doktor Johann?

Local Florida foreign policy at its' best

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article770170.ece

The Dominican Republic needs to start leaning a little more toward independance for the long term. Wind-there is plently of areas in mountainous regions where wind farms could generate electricity. Solar- There are unough sun hours in the D.R. to keep most residential areas batteries charged. From a Barahona-Puerto Plata line west, solar could almost stand alone.

Water- The saltas de Jemenao do not generate enough tourism to pay for the construction needed but Hydro-electric plants could generate enough to make the RD 50% independant within 10 years.

How many billion are they going to have to throw down this hole?? errr..cable.???

I am already using SUNFORCE 12-Volt, 15-Watt SOLAR PANELS to recharge the DEEP CYCLE BATTERIES that run my DESKTOP COMPUTER, MODEM, PRINTER, SCANNER .. the COLLECTORS sit atop the roof of my place in Santo Domingo. It is recharging right NOW because we just LOST POWER at 3:22 PM. It works even when the skies are CLOUDY. The little system I set up is more of a HOBBY and learning tool for my kids. SOLAR POWER is economically viable if undertaken on a LARGE SCALE. Not if done on a HOBBY SCALE.

Did you guys know that one of the leading manufactures of commercial solar panels is BP (yes none other than British Petroleum).

Mesa Energy is one of the largest energy companies involved in Wind power world wide and it is also an Oil company as was started as one.

I believe you .. T.Boone Pickens .. one of the richest oil men in Texas is also a great supporter of alternative energy .. I think he may be meeting with Senator Obama sometime today .. it's one of the IRONIES of life .. is it not? That Phillip Morris .. the big TOBACCO CONGLOMERATE .. also runs one of the BIGGEST ANTI-SMOKING CAMPAIGNS. What must have possessed these people?

Most of the planet loves Dominican Republic and God knows that for sure..................

I would say Amen to that .. the most beautiful country ever .. and I have been all over ..

"Local Florida foreign policy at its' best"

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article770170.ece

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For a long time, I've quietly believed convenient store rage was more intense and furious than either road rage or post office rage.

Now, at last, confirmation.

I would say it is convenient to store your rage until such time as it is intensely needed for furious combat on the road or at the post office.

For a long time, I've quietly believed convenient store rage was more intense and furious than either road rage or post office rage.

Now, at last, confirmation.

above by Belial



"I would say it is convenient to store your rage until such time as it is intensely needed for furious combat on the road or at the post office," GC II replies.

oooo

Talk about turning phrase, GC II sure turned that phrase ... completely.

There's nothin' left unturned.

not even the wet rock you came out from under

The proposal was for Florida Power and Light to provided a underground cable to stop once and for all the deficit in power generation in DR, the cost of from FL was to much for the average citizen, then came Colombia, a country that provide Ecuador 3/4 of it electricity from its plants in Southern Colombia and the plant in Medellin (Northern Colombia) is the one that will provided energy to DR and PR. To all the idiot out there be smart for once, do a search for under the sea cable tech and learn you morons.

thank you Santanar for clearing that up the morons and imbeciles are delighted

"Colombia will provided all the energy and carbon that DR and PR needs" words from President Uribe, a leader that can be trusted and will not blackmail the country like Hugo "I got you" Chavez.

Well I am just shocked, another Hugo hater. Hooray for us.

No hate only the true, can you recall what Chavez did to the DR when the issue of Perez Jimenez? do some research if you don't remember, you Hugo lover.

No hate only the true, can you recall what Chavez did to the DR when the issue of Perez Jimenez? do some research if you don't remember, you Hugo lover.

Comments base on facts not on ideology, sleak

It does not matter what the DR does to control electricity. If people cannot pay for it, the problem will continue. People cannot pay for electricity because they are unemployed or not making enough money. Increase funding in education, so people get better jobs or they can create their own businesses.

It is imporant that all country's have control of there energy, it's the most important investment and dependency for any country. The Dominican Republic is a country in the tropics with plenty of sun why go backwards, let's move forward. Hire some european firm or asian or better local with the technical know how on solar panels, and let's get busy!!!!! Solar energy, bio-fuels let's follow Brazil's example. Being independent will solve the bureaucracy and price fluctuations and controls by wall street and the oil cartel.