| #11 - Posted 16 April 2009, 3:38 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4956 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. Quote: AfroLatino previously said: 1. MilitarizeHaiti. I'd like to hear your propposal on this point, cuz' if there's something that have plagued Haiti for most of its existence, is the overabundance of strong armed men with invincible ambitions for political power. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #12 - Posted 16 April 2009, 3:39 PM | |
Location: Canada, Montreal Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2474 Posts: 480 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. He can be part of the past, 2 coup d'état, he didnt have the chance to finish one of his 5years of election. Today see who's on the power, Preval, a traitor that use the popularity of Aristide to go on the power what he do next ? Ban the Lavalas party of senatorial election. Beside, everyone have the right to stay in his own country... Even if he was not president, he could help the haitian people for learning things to them specially language. Edited on 4/16/2009 3:41 PM by TN1804. |
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| #13 - Posted 16 April 2009, 3:49 PM | |
Location: Canada, Montreal Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2474 Posts: 480 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. I agree with you in those point:s: 3. Decongestion Of Port-Au-Prince. 4. Agricultural Reforms. Duvalier was a great bastard but all the people were not all "stuck" in P-A-P. Agricultural Reforms, once again, why buy Rice from USA when you got the Artibonite region who have a great potential to product rice. Duvalier was bright on this, only haitian rice were selling in Haiti. An haitian army in this time I dont think it would be a good idea. We see it in 1990, first democratical election what they do ? COUP DETAT. Enought if enought ! |
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| #14 - Posted 16 April 2009, 4:16 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: 1. MilitarizeHaiti. I'd like to hear your propposal on this point, cuz' if there's something that have plagued Haiti for most of its existence, is the overabundance of strong armed men with invincible ambitions for political power. You see, you may be right to some point that Haiti's past military had not been the most efficiently proficient one. However, they were still a placed "Junta" military force by the US from thier last 1915 to 1935 and 40's invasion even when the ruling of the Duvalier regime was there and that they were never really are well-prepared and trained. My proposal for militarization although not all thought out or written in stone will more so be based on the establishment of a new Army or armed forces that would be served more of a "engineer corps" where it could be used as altenative means for development and reconstruction purposes, school jobs for many youths of which most of the bases would be in the provincial countrysides of Haiti. I would only keep a presidential like concierge as well as contengency of mobolized-capable components in case of emergencies or chaos control to work in greater conjunction with the Haitian National Police, Firefighters and medical forces in some main capitals of the nation, especially as well as Border Patrol & Control to work with the Dominican Republic at making sure better reformed restrictive "illegal and undocumented" crossing laws are effectivelly being enforced. Whereas it will not be a one parter-party story when it comes or in effort to addressing Human Rights violations. Instead of Haiti keep begging or be given small aids from other rich nations thatare being controlled by expoitive NGO's to do small tasker benign work. It would serve the Country rather instead to make a leap of investment in something that could be instituted to intill in young Haitians men and women a better sense of patriotic love for country so that corruption could be erradicated from its very roots so that Haiti may soon have better effective leaders who acrtually care. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #15 - Posted 16 April 2009, 4:23 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. One thing I always say and it has nothing to do with me being part Dominican, but simly the truth. DR may have many problems like even most other nations do have; but their is s sense that progress is taking place in the Nation that somehow no matter of hard it may seem in the eyes of some to believe, some politician do care for DR as well as they might be self-interestedly profit from the capitalization of its growth. I mean, tourism is booming in Dr like a motha Fcker (lol) and Construction and improvement of infrastructures are being undertaking undeniably greatly. I mean, there soon to be a construction of an Electrical Water Dam in DR among other things. Indeed, many Haitians may disagree with me, but these things are things to be envious of that after many years of having gained that so called independence that Haiti has had nothing to really show for it. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #16 - Posted 16 April 2009, 4:37 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4956 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. Quote: AfroLatino previously said: 4. Agricultural Reforms. The israelis could be of some help on this area, since they're experts in turning burning desertic wastelands into blooming paradises. What do you think of it, Afro? "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #17 - Posted 16 April 2009, 6:48 PM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 2244 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. Quote: PeRod previously said: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. It has been impossible for me to have a constructive interchange with the Haitians present in this forum about Haiti’s future. Those Haitians only like to talk about their past and they forget that year by year we celebrate on January 26 the birthday of the Dominican man who was a vital figure in our Separation process from Haiti, on February 27 our Separation from Haiti, on March 19 a victory over Haitian forces, on March 30 another victory over Haitian forces and so on until November 6, when we celebrate our first constitution after our Separation from Haiti. Year by year we are the whole year celebrating that we managed to get out of our country those savages who invaded the Eastern part of the island, with a weak country in those times that was absolutely helpless. We do not need to talk about our past, we know it very well and we still remember that twenty two years long nightmare. And there is another problem. The Haitians now have their own version of the Universal history where, of course, they are the center of the universe and they strongly believe their own lies. To talk with persons intentionally so blinded by falsenesses (and even hypocrisy) necessarily have to lead to a battlefield and that is precisely what we have here, battlefields everywhere. This space does not pretend to be another battlefield. This is an open forum and, of course, anyone can express his or her opinion, but the goal is to know what a group of very well talented Dominicans (as is the case with the people over here) think about what we (as a nation) must do about Haiti and about what Haitians must do with their own country. Here nobody can be right or can be wrong. Everybody is going to write about his or her personal point of view. For every particular person his or her perspective is the “right” perspective and here we must respect that essential part of the human condition. In the past, we were the eternally forgotten of Spain and we have achieved to raise this nation. We have been the owners of our destiny and we will be ever the owners of our destiny, but thanks to Paris we are not alone in this island. Let us talk about Haiti. OUTSTANDING post! Thank you! ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ ¨°º¤ø„¸INFINITY„ø¤º°¨ „ø¤º°¨FOREVER`°º¤ø |
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| #18 - Posted 16 April 2009, 8:33 PM | |
Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2673 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. Very good topic you started perod... I will have something to say later.. I do not think we need an army but a gendarme instead. We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope. |
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| #19 - Posted 16 April 2009, 8:54 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. CarlosFranco, I did not say that the future of Haiti is on the hands of those figures; I said that those persons are key figures in Haiti and that is what they are indeed. I want to talk about who is who in Haiti “nowadays”. If somebody wants to talk about Toussaint Louverture or Jean Jacques Dessalines this is not the right place for something like that. We are going to talk about what is the real scenario in Haiti “today”, what can be done in that scenario and how we can help. For that, we need to know which ones are the roles and who are the characters in those roles. You have said: “These are all CROOKS”; well if you have other names, if you know about other people in better position for helping in the hard work that is necessary in Haiti we would like to listen about them, please. |
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| #20 - Posted 16 April 2009, 8:56 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2535 Posts: 19 | RE: Haiti’s future: The Dominican vision. Dominican vision? On what exactly? On Haiti? Have people here ever BEEN to Haiti? Do people even know the political layout of the country? Someone wrote a list of some people that are not even on the scene anymore Shouldn't it be D.R.'s future: The Dominican Vision.? Or are we too blind to see? Edited on 4/17/2009 10:33 AM by Moyse. |
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