“My opinion on this is that the futur of Haiti Start by the return of Aristide in his country.”
TN1804.

TN1804, one of the keywords in our common life in this island is HARMONY. We need people in both sides that can work in their own problems but that can work with their neighbor too in those cases in which it is necessary something like that.
There is no a Haitian political leader who hate us (Dominicans) more than Aristide and, naturally, we feel in the same way about him.
With Aristide ruling again in Haiti you can expect great problems in our relations.
Once upon a time he was one of those boys walking on the Haiti’s street without any future. After eight years at office he became the person with the greatest “liquid” wealth “on the island” basically because of the commissions paid by the drug traffickers.
Perhaps your solution is the best solution for Haiti but we are going to have problems with that solution.
The final decision, of course, is on the hands of the Haitian people.

Moyse, these are the words of our Foreign Relations Minister:

[I][Carlos] Morales Troncoso [Foreign Relations Minister of our country] said that Dominican Republic has many problems [economic problems, social problems, health system’s problems, educational problems] ‘but the most pressing problem is the one of our neighboring Haiti, with the migratory problem’.
Article “Pelegrín fears USA looks for fusion DR-Haiti”, by Teofilo Bonilla.
This was published in El Nacional, Sunday, December 17, 2006.[/I]

If we are going to talk about the future of the Dominican Republic necessarily we have to talk about the future of Haiti.
Here we are doing what Haitians do not do: we are talking about what is happing in Haiti and which could be the solutions to its problems. If we do not have the correct information the main reason is that we can not have direct sources because the direct sources are closed.
By the way a lot of us know a lot about Haiti because we have been there and remember that we have 2,000,000 of your people here and they talk about their country all the time.

Aristide is still the most powerful leader in Haiti in the poor side of the population. Even if he was not president, I think he is a part of the solution. He have a lot of friend in the Black caucus and in my side, the most intelligent in all those " wanna be president". Beside if the elite was able to just TALK with him, I dont think 2004 were happen.

That is not true. When the Haitians want to talk about future relations to co-habit the Island amicable through peace and reconcilliation, it is largely reject by most Dominicans on here.
AfroLatino.

AfroLatino, that is a lie.
If it is necessary I can show you where I have asked for a debate about Haiti’s future and how Haitians ignore that subject for speaking about their supposed great past over and over.
Can you show where some Haitian has asked for something similar? I do not have seen something like that yet.
By the way, this topic came from a Dominican.

"Great countries start with great men and moral values"
a quote by Belly51

Aristide is still the most powerful leader in Haiti in the poor side of the population.
TN1804.

All of us know Jean Bertrand Aristide too well.
He does not look like the leader who is going to build a brighter Haiti.
In Haiti it is usually easy for the person at office to get all what he or she wants and if that person wants a lot of money he or she is going to get a lot of money (and that is ever the case).
Haiti needs a leader who loves power more than money and who loves his or her people more than his or her personal positions (without being a saint, of course).
Leading Haiti must be an act of faith. An act of faith in Haiti’s people and their capacity to develop the great nation they still have only in their dreams.
Jean Bertrand Aristide is not the man. Of course, that is a Haitian decision, but it is not necessary to be a genius for seeing that under his directions Haiti is going to be a bigger mess with poor people perhaps more happy.

Would Haiti be a fabulous place with $1 billion in donations? No, I do not think so. They have received more than $2 billion and nobody knows exactly what have happened with that money. Then would Haiti be a fabulous place with $3 billion or $4 billion? No, I do not think so either.
Haiti does not have who can manage that money for benefit of its people.
The first thing that Haiti needs is a group of men and women who can drive that country out of its terrible situation. Without that vital asset there is no going to be any good fortune for Haiti and nowadays nobody knows where those men and those women are.
Those men and those women must be part of a movement, a social movement, with a program, with specific goals and with specific methods for achieving them, but nowadays nobody knows something about that kind of social movement inside or outside Haiti.
They do not have the people and they do not have the vehicle. They are really bad and a so difficult situation can only be resolve with very hard measures. I think that the international community must be in charge in Haiti until they can run their country by themselves (something that they have demonstrated they cannot do).
It would be an irregular case (and a very sad case also) but Haiti is a very irregular case too.
Naturally, Haitians can show us why something like that is not necessary but something must be remembered: this situation in the Western part of our island cannot exist forever.

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Moyse, these are the words of our Foreign Relations Minister:

[I][Carlos] Morales Troncoso [Foreign Relations Minister of our country] said that Dominican Republic has many problems [economic problems, social problems, health system’s problems, educational problems] ‘but the most pressing problem is the one of our neighboring Haiti, with the migratory problem’.
Article “Pelegrín fears USA looks for fusion DR-Haiti”, by Teofilo Bonilla.
This was published in El Nacional, Sunday, December 17, 2006.[/I]

If we are going to talk about the future of the Dominican Republic necessarily we have to talk about the future of Haiti.
Here we are doing what Haitians do not do: we are talking about what is happing in Haiti and which could be the solutions to its problems. If we do not have the correct information the main reason is that we can not have direct sources because the direct sources are closed.
By the way a lot of us know a lot about Haiti because we have been there and remember that we have 2,000,000 of your people here and they talk about their country all the time.
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How do you know Haitians are not talking? That is quite a generalization.

Secondly, the fear that Pelegrin have on the US wanting a fusion of D.R and Haiti holds not weight for Haitians will NEVER allow such a thing to happen in the first place. Many seem to think that we haitians are loving our circumstances and want to merge with the D.R.......what for?

We migrate to the D.R. for WORK....we don't go there because we love the culture, because we want to be dominican, we go there to WORK and go back to Haiti.

Thirdly, dominicans living in Haiti do not have great knowledge on the happenings occurring in the political spectrum nor on everyday life. They see what they want to see and rarely travel the entire territory to analyze the entire situation.

The future of the D.R. have no relations to Haiti.......your country is doing quite fine without concerning itself with Haiti or haitians.

Satanic blood covenant 206 years ago
"On 14 August 1997, God's people in Haiti experienced a historic victory over Satan, a milestone in winning our country back for God. The reason lies in history. The slaves brought here from Africa have suffered incredibly for many years. Their masters acted with the blessing of the Catholic church, which declared black to be the colour of the devil. Hence, they reasoned, black slaves have no soul. For this reason, the slaves turned disappointedly away from God, and called to their African gods for help. On 14 August 1791, a slave leader by the name of Boukman called a secret meeting in a wood called Bois-Caiman near Cap Haitien, which was attended by a large number of slaves. They celebrated a Satanic ceremony, sacrificing a pig and drinking its blood, swore to serve the devil and dedicated Haiti to him. Up to the present, Haiti's historians have all attributed Haiti's achievement of political independence in 1804 to this ceremony. For 206 years, Bois-Caiman was a very holy place, a high place which could only be entered by witch doctors during Voodoo ceremonies. For 206 years, they have been meeting there every 14. August to sacrifice to Satan.


The above explains why this country has never regained the prosperity it had 200 years ago.

How do you know Haitians are not talking? That is quite a generalization.
Moyse.

I wrote this for AfroLatino, it could be written for you :
“If it is necessary I can show you where I have asked for a debate about Haiti’s future and how Haitians ignore that subject for speaking about their supposed great past over and over.
Can you show where some Haitian has asked for something similar? I do not have seen something like that yet.”

You have said:

“Do people even know the political layout of the country?”

And you can say that because the Haitian internal subjects are usually managed as top secrets.
Which is the reason? It is fear, the greatest fear. Haitians do not talk about their inside situation (even in Internet) because some strange hand can reach them everywhere. That is not a quite generalization. That is a fact.
There is a huge campaign showing us as a proslavery country. I use to say to the Haitians that a found in my way here in Dominican Republic: “What are you doing here if you are slaves in the Eastern part?” or “Hey, both of you, do you know that you are my slaves?” and the Haitians answer with a smile because they know that I am joking. That campaign is really hurting us.
How many campaigns do you know that are showing to the world what is happening in Haiti?
When I show to different groups of Dominicans what Petion Ville is some of them cannot believe something like that. Why a Dominican has to show how the Haitian riches have swimming pools in their houses while there are kids who have to walk fifteen kilometers with a can to get some water?
Moyse, Haitians are not talking. All of you have your virtual Haiti where everything is perfect (a great past, a great people, a great nation) but the real Haiti is a mess and there is no big campaigns for telling to the world what is actually happening.