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#61 - Posted 16 June 2008, 11:32 PM
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Cibaeno75,

I think Jemesouviens have answered the question. So you're desecendent from Hinche. There are alot of dominican descendants there and they still speak spanish pure dominicanism as if they lived in the DR. My actual domestic employee is from there and according to her she is half dominican. All of them over have some domincan mixture. She's illegal in the DR and I remember a long time ago offered to pay for her residency. She told me to give her the money instead since she needs it more than being legal. Her comment was "i am light skin and speak spanish pure dominican which I have dominican blood. The guards will never bother me." It has been years and she always goes home to hinche, haiti which she refer to "el campo". She has never had problems crossing the border. I know she takes a guagua to Elias Pina and cross on foot then takes a moto Hinche. Her kids all speak spanish and barely know creole..I had to tell her she must teach her child kreyol since he isn't dominican on paper and might get deported some day. Dude don't waste your time. Hinche is hard to get to since the roads are not paved and nothing to do. Although the natural beauty and seeing haitians of dominican descent and even hatiains haitans speaking spanish..And you guys think we're invading..LOL..DR has infiltrated haiti a long time ago..hope you have a good sense of humour..Go to Au Cap..they just built the road and easy access from Dajabon..Jacmel is another place to venture off..but a beautiful anacaona haitian princess might hit you with some voudou love..and you might never want to leave..



Jabao,

I do not know nor will I ever do know what your prejudice toward Hinche is; but I am not going to ask you to tell me. However, your assessment is wrong about Hinche in many areas and I will also go to the length to say some areas are somewhat not wrong.

First of all, Hinche is a provencial area of Haiti and has its own beauty. Much like you have Sosua and Puerto Plata are provinces in DR. The infrastructure there in Hinche is not City like, congested and dirty and damaged like that of Port-Au-Prince that is for sure.



You know very little of and about Hinche, but I am not going to get into a testicular contest with you as to who is or must be right or wrong. Here some pitures of the farming Country side of Hinche





Even the farmers there in Hinche make residents of Port-Au-Prince look miserable because in Hinche even the farmers have better hygenic behaviors than the locals of Port-Au-Prince. Hincheis where great Artist like Sidon Joseph, Herold Christophe and more resides in as Hinche is where Haiti most largest second former Haiti Armed forces used to go trained and stationed. Here is a basic plan of only and simply a University in the Central Down Town of Hince



Also if someone do not know what Charlemagne Peralte stood for in Haiti for Haiti, please do not use his name in vain.


For he is my Grandfather's Cousin and my cousin's great grant father thus indeed he is my family as well as my Grandfather is related to one of Haiti's early presidents Dartiguenave.

For all I know, if anyone is looking to have a peaceful vacation in a very friendly inviting place where the girls are almost like the beautiful Morenas you will find in DR, you best go to Hinche or almost any other provincial areas before ever thinking about going to Port-Au-Prince. If any of you have been to Cabaret or Navarete, DR Hinche gives you almost the same atmosphere but you know the place is in Haiti you figure it is not top notch and well maintained as it should but the area is still green and most of Haiti's natural production comes from there especially milk, mango and by the way Hince is a subdivision province of Mirbalais in Cenrtral Haiti and in the Central of Haiti is where you will find Peligre (HydroElectro dam), central Haiti is where the Country's natural rice is from and the water both Haiti and DR drink Riviere De L'Artibonite.

I have been to Hinche on many volunteered missionary visits and we always never encounter much hardship to really do report like other cities and towns in Haiti that many of us in the groups have come to accept that is just how the lifestyle of living is over there, peaceful and serene, clean and people there do not walk in the streets with dirty clothes like they do in most slums of Port-Au-Prince.



One thing you are right about is that most of the habitants on Hinche are descendants or related to some kind of Domincan background. The small province of Hinche's Pignon has the best hospital that people from all over Haiti goes to for best quality affordable treatment. Do not get me started on giving you more details about Hinche and I have not even gotten to the History of the town yet. My mother was looking for a place to reside in when she left DR and Hinche she said was the closest best place she could find and next is Cap-Haitian... then in the south you have Jacmel which is where most of my father's family also have businesses there. Ever been?


Thanks for the enlightening and informative post Chief. I am assuming through your comments that you are a Hinchois or have family in Hinche. Great pics. I've never been to Hinche but I heard that the cathedral is a delight to visit and the feel one gets from going there is the perfect expression of what is considered to be a rural countryside town; tranquil atmosphere and friendly people. And by the way I just had to note the pride I have in Charlemagne Peralte's brave struggle in the resistance of American occupation. His call to arms and leadership of the Cacos helped solidify Haitian nationalism in an era where it was really needed.



Why thank you Shin!!

To think I once called you a "House Nigger" huh... well yeah, I consider myself a Hinchois and Charlemaagne Peralte is my family and he also has family in DR still as well which the name is commonly known in DR as Peralta. The only thing I know that I am not too proud of about Hinche was teh fact that the road was extremely bad, but now they have fixed it somewhat and they are continuously improving the road I hear. Here is a video of a local Transportation Bus drive from Hinche heading to Hinche from Port-Au-Prince.


Yes, my Grandfather is originally from Cap-Haitien but after he and my Grandmother were expulsed from DR for getting my Grand mother pregnant because she was the Daughter of a Sugar Cane field guard.

My Grandmother's own Dominican family pretty much had to disowned her so that her life could be spared and that of my Grandfather's from repercussion from her own Dominicans family for having slept with a Haitian and perhaps that is what saved both of their lives... but as they were on the run she ended up giving birth to my mom in Puerto Plata. My Grandfather survived Trujillo's wrath and all kinds of discriminations you can think of and even my mother at times. My grandfather like to say, DR today is the light version of what he used to have to go through... to him he says DR has gone a long way. Anyway, he moved to Hinche because he and Charlemagne were very closed cousins. My Grandfather later joined the Haitian Army and was stationed ever since in Hinche where Haiti's largest second division was and even fought side by side with my great Uncle Charlemagne Peralte during the American occupation.

"There are many battles that never made it on the pages of History and they were the most second significant ones" he often like to say. "It takes special people to be lucky to have former family members to have had participated in those battles to know of those battles which even if they are told to you you will only consider them to be simply tales" my grandfather also like to say." So you darn right all of you Haitians and Dominicans, Dominican-Haitian Affair is very personal to me and you all best never forget that!!!

PS: Perhaps there is a great war to come that is yet to be fought on the Island win or lose, I feel I will be part of it. I would rather see the whole Island get blown up than to let DR or Haiti not putting the Island to good use and do not worry, I am watching.
Edited on 6/16/2008 11:59 PM by ChiefCaonabo.
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#62 - Posted 17 June 2008, 12:32 PM
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lol..How many usernames do you have??? I was startled when I found out it was you Hispanolo. The way you presented your post made me think it was somebody else. Despite that infamous and foul comment of yours my friend I still had to comment on your great account of Hinche.
#63 - Posted 18 June 2008, 1:08 PM
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lol..How many usernames do you have??? I was startled when I found out it was you Hispanolo. The way you presented your post made me think it was somebody else. Despite that infamous and foul comment of yours my friend I still had to comment on your great account of Hinche.


Well,

One thing you have to realize. Yes, I have many accounts and those that I have not yet even used because I knew and foreseen this day was coming. This site is closing down every accounts that have been reported to them by other Dominicans about other people who they suspect or consider not Dominicans who tend to contest anything negative views they have.

If you are not full blood Dominicans and if you are not talking in favor of DR and Dominicans, those Dominicans who cannot stand the heat and criticisms about their racist Trujilloism views, hatred and constant demeaning condescending way of talking about Haitians and this site is encouraging them by never banned those Dominicans. What I can tell them is, they are wasting their time and this will not stop people from opening up new accounts. You have to notice how this site never post Articles that are positive about Haiti and Haitians just so they can continue on fueling and feeding the deed rooted feelings and resentments that they know most Dominicans already have about Haitians and expect those who are Haitians to not have any rebukes of those discriminative comments, remarks and Articles. Notice well that any negative Articles that is about Haiti get to last several months so that it has enough and plenty time to reach as much and many Dominicans as possible so that they can project their biased comments. You need to ask yourself. How come they have not banned those members who have posted negative defaming comments about Haiti and Haitians regardless if they are reported or not?

Look, what I am trying to say is and as much as you hate me saying it; I am part Dominican and I know if the hypocrisies that exist in most Dominicans (Okay, not all suffice to say... however, only a very small few who are open minded). Until my next name comes up on here...

Pay attention,

PS: If you have not seen any or much of negative postings of Haitian Articles on the main pages and columns it is because I have been adamantly addressing it to those racist Admin Staff and I intend to bring a Lawsuit to them since I have recorded from day one all of their bias posted articles on Haiti, comments by many racist members including my own retaliatory comments. Watch how long this reply will last before they delete it and banned this account of mine. However, this is all part of my process of building my case which is already being legitimately consulted and reviewed by Human Rights Groups & Activists among many other Organizations.





Edited on 6/18/2008 1:17 PM by NègMawon.
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#64 - Posted 18 June 2008, 2:51 PM
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I agree with you FranktheTank. I think the international campaign waged abroad on the Dominican due to the discrimination of skin color is still a problem in Haiti. I don't get that double standard neither. FranktheTank and Cibaeno you should share some of the misconceptions of Haitians on this forum as we are all mature and are dealing in a civilized manner. I believe the only way to understand the issue is by stating some misconceptions.


Tell me this NY4LIFE,

Why then hardly any Dominicans been on the peaceful threads and preach peace if racism, hatred and the continuation of past inherited resentments were not what they are trying to fuel, feed and promoting? I mean we do have post that is promoting peace, reconciliation and way to look at each other as neighbors humanely, do we not? So where are the flood of good positive Dominican posts on those threads if controversial Haitian-DOminican hatred posts were not what get them going?

We have posts like:

Getting to know your neighbor humanely.
La Lucha contra el racismo.

and many more which could have been used to promote peace and more constructive representation of both Nations. So as much as you guys are placing blames on other members for their strict and restrictive racist hatred mind made up views, why have not those whoa re about peace geared their comments in those respective threads that are indeed and in fact about peace?
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#65 - Posted 18 June 2008, 2:51 PM
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Something tells me your identities are being deleted because you flooded the forums this morning, and before as well. I tried to warn you and asked you a few times why you were repeating posts across threads, and spamming threads with links to the Onion. That's against the rules on most forums, and this is prob the reason you are being deleted.

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#66 - Posted 18 June 2008, 5:00 PM
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Something tells me your identities are being deleted because you flooded the forums this morning, and before as well. I tried to warn you and asked you a few times why you were repeating posts across threads, and spamming threads with links to the Onion. That's against the rules on most forums, and this is prob the reason you are being deleted.

Or maybe you really are Jesus and the time has come for your sacrifice


Oh they did not delete the Onion's posts... (lol)!




#67 - Posted 2 July 2008, 1:22 PM
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Peoples, there is this new topic thread I started called HYPOCRISY OF DEMOCRACY your opinions are needed on it.