Y el otro tipo. I mean with all the things that are going in the DR your mother simply notice haitians on el conde. BTW, the haitian presence in the DR was there during the Trujillo era but most were confine to the Bateyes. Now with the boom of the DR economy one can see Haitians are more visible. Tell her to go to Benito G. if she really wants to see many haitians of the low strata. There have also been alot of black skin dominicans that are deported base on appearing "haitiano". How do you think that should be handled and isn't just?

BIG BRO,

Yes indeed, I never said that I am not "Haitianally" cultured and just as much as I have been "Dominicanally" (If those can be excused to be used as words lol). So I am "Islandally" Hispaniola cultured.

Like you said, the only identity issue or problem I have is accepting the hatred that both Dominicans and Haitians are displaying everyday. I refuse to accept the hatred and racism which is what I want to deny and reject and not like about being part of me as a human, and in my heart they are not nor will they ever be "Hatred and Racism". Dominicans or Haitians, whichever side wish to accept me or embrace me as their own is fine with me and is of no quite relevance since "I Know Who I am" more so than most of you on here.

Golly, what is nonsense really if you all can not have humor lol ha hahh!!! Did any of you happen to read and catch the date on the post of which you are all babbling about lol? APRIL 1, You Fools!!! You are all a bunch of "Selective Like-Minded Readers." Much less, in the very title of the post I post it under rumors and speculations and of which I specifically say "I totally contested this article."

That goes to show you how both Dominicans and Haitians like to jump to conclusion and make Racial Identity the supreme focal point of any discussion. Those theories were to be at least entertained and to the mind, and exercise and not so much taking them as my own prediction so to speak. That is why I I said Trivia Conspiracy Theory Quiz. Did any of you tried them and see the hypothetical logic and understanding in them as to what I was trying to bring home about foreign interests? Tsk, tsk, tsk, really what a shame...

Another brother,

Here is a little conspiracy theory trivial pop quiz for everyone.

Take a penny, a nickel, a dime and a quarter. Flip them as you keep them in their order in or of value so that all the president heads are facing up. What do you see?

Yes, all the presidents on the silver coins are facing another direction from the copper colored penny which coincidentally happens to be Abe Lincoln. Or maybe he is the one turning his back on them. What or whichever, point is this is the man who has finally enacted the abolition of slavery, yet he is on the lesser valuable currency of the U.S he of whom has some great meaning to a lot of people of Color, yes indeed, Blacks.

Now, let us for once and the benefit of the doubt that this was a printing error. How long has it been since the penny that it has never been fixed or perhaps in symbolism it has a greater meaning unknown to us all.

In G.O.D We Trust: Perhaps it just may really truly mean simply that 'In God We Trust' or does that G.O.D actually represent the (Spain, France, Great Britain, Portugal which White U.S Americans are descendants of) European vice that they've held dear to their hearts all these year throughout history that are known to men and to be constant and present till this day which are.

GOLD: The past natural resource they were willing to steal and killed for.
OIL: The now present resource that they are stealing and killing for.
DOMINION: Which is the prime goal known to even biblical apocalyptic term that represent the beginning of the abyss, thus World Domination.

Or perhaps to every known Mason is what is worship as the GOOD OLD DEVIL.

Which bring us all to the "E PLURIBUS ENUM" factor and theory: "Until all Is One" Now, why to all Christian known faiths of the world who knows of the scripture of Revelation which states "When all Is One" means the prophecy coming of the Anti-Christ and the return of Christ would be apparent and be revealed to us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRlDlAkonJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89SB59DT34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3avVyf1OMjQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LEljS3ib84

Never question why such a quote is in Latin and not in English on the very currency an English speaking Country is using. Of course latin being supposedly the LOST AND FORGOTTEN LANGUAGE since the Amaec. Perhaps this would have been too alarming to the most religious based faiths who believe that there will be an end of the world given the prophecy of the Four Horse Men, the 666 sign of the beast theory.

Knowing all this or given that people, Christians or not of whom most do not understand Latin nowadays in this society as they used to in the past, had this quote been in plain English, who would have actually use the money here in the U.S and who are religiously of any Christian faiths?

THEN AGAIN, FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME WHO IS NOT AT ALL RELIGIOUS AND QUITE AGNOSTIC; MAYBE ALL THAT I HAVE JUST SAID IN THIS ABOVE POST IS BULL. HOWEVER, ONE WONDERS; OR PERHAPS ONE DOES NOT AT ALL...

To be honest with you, if you were to ask my mom she would tell you that, according to her, that´s precisely where the Haitians should have remained...in the bateyes.

I´m not saying this to be rude or antagonistic. That´s how she feels and that´s how many, many Dominicans both here in NYC, and in D.R., feel. It´s just a fact. That´s why that comment you made about the black Dominicans being deported to Haiti--I bring it up when I hear them say that. Just for the sake of reality checking.

But you do realize that happens here in the U.S., too. It happens to Chicanos. It happens to legal Dominicans and other legal Latin Americans when immigration raids a work place and the person doesn´t have identification to prove their legal status.

The only Hispanics that, to my knowledge, have never faced this problem are Puerto Ricans. Now, one can say that they would rarely be in a position to be raided by immigration since few would work in the same places (and under the same conditions) that other Hispanics are willing to put up with.

Muchacho,

Your mom has her right to express her opinion towards haitians. Your mothers generation was raised during a time where this was considered a patriotic duty. Reasoning with your mom about these issues is pointless. Now with you who also an immigrant from a poor country should have some sort of empathy towards haitians in your native land. I am all for deporting all illegal haitians back to Haiti because I am a person who believe in upholding the law. My concern is the human rights aspect where many are violated. Some illegal hiatians are deported and have their possesion stolen by the same people that is suppose to be upholding the law. I think there should be some sort of humane way to deport illegal haitians. Besides, haitians aren't the only illegals. I have encountered many other illegal latinos not to mention the europeans and americans but the truth is they are superior in the dominican society untouchable.

I have read your comment regarding this issue and I agree that the Haitian government must be held accountable for not doing more for its citizens. I am not blaming DR or the dominican people for the issues effecting Haiti. The heat should ultimately fall on the Haitian government although I do hold the DR government for its systematically ways of targeting haitians. Ok, we have a problem and we could sit here and give our opinions but what about solutions. What solutions do you have? Another thing this is indeed a dominican site but lets not forget haitians are immigrants living in the DR so topics in the DR does effect haitians and they must be informed as well as any other foreignor that lives in the DR.


And please don't compare Puerto Ricans with other hispanic groups. They have under US law the right to be in the USA unlike other hispanic groups that come in illegally. What I find ironic is that many dominicans in the diaspora that are too illegal what haitians out of the DR but turn around asking for amnesty and telling the same story. Why is it that they demand rights when illegal and haitians can't in the DR? And if you want to talk about izations..I was shocked to see some hispanic neighbourhoods completely third worldish in the USA. There are places I've been if one doesn't know spanish they are S.O.L. What's your stance and the hispanization of USA and latinos not caring about the country that is feeding them,clothing them, and educating them on taxpayers money. Being illegal in the USA is better than being legal in some ways.

As long as hiring haitian inmigrants in droves keeps being a negocio, the chances of a betterment in the ways that they are treated in the deportations are slim on the best of cases. The only way this would change is if conditions improve on their native homeland. Here are some ideas posted by mr. antonioj, a fellow regular poster of this site, about the things that should be done on Haiti if that country really hopes to stand on its own to feet:

1.Stop the growing tide represented by overpopulation (if you can not feed yourself why giving birth to 5 children, it's a crime), that way the abundance of jobless haitian peasants would freeze itself and force a rise in wages in the neighbouring country were these peasants to become scarce.

2. Caring for the land (outlaw charcoal, automatic death sentence for logging, mass tree re-planting project).

3. back to basic (agriculture), so the country stops depending on foreign help to feed itself.

4. Infrastructure specially highways and other roads to communicate the capital with the cities of the coast and the interior in a more efficient way, which would really help in the descentralization of the country, so it would stop being just "the Republic of Port-Au-Prince"

5. The intl community should stop handing out to Haiti (do not give me the fish, show me how to fish) or at least be selective on the handling and, in the process, implement mechanisms of overseeing that would ensure that the help given will really get to the people that needs it and not end on the pockets of corrupt and incompetent politicians, as it has been the case.

The last one is, in my opinion, the most important, since only with education the workers (on both sides of the island) will have the necessary means to force employers to give them the wages that are due to them. In other words, the only way to better things would be to diminish the overabundance of cheap, uneducated workers on the market, that way, the dominican economy will have to move into mechanization or suffer the consequences that procastination and posponement of the resolution of problems can bring to those that leave for tomorrow the solving of the troubles of today.

You know...I have heard quite a few illegals say that being illegal is better than being legal in some ways. Usually they are referring to April 15th....tax day. But I'll give you this as an example:

Brazilians had been coming to the NYC area in large numbers since the late 1980s. Mainly because of the economic conditions that prevailed in Brazil and that most of us are well-aware of. Lately, that trend has reversed itself. Brazilians are returning in larger numbers than they were coming in. The reason for it? Amnesty. The U.S. Congress has dragged its feet on the issue and many feel that now that Brazil's economy has started booming, there's no reason to stay here in an immigration limbo. Flights on VARIG going BACK to Brazil are packed to capacity. In the end, the United States loses. Why? Because that group of Latin Americans has slightly different professional and educational demographics. Many held degrees before coming here and entered the job market far above an average recent Mexican or Dominican immigrant.

Now as far as Latinos being fed, educated and clothed on taxpayers' money...I want that research if you have it. Because from my understanding and reading, the Latino community is one of the hardest working communities in this country.

Without us food will not get on the table here because we are the bulk of farm workers and, in major cities, the majority of grocery retailers. Without us hotels and restaurants would have to close because we are the bulk of hotel and restaurant workers here. Without us, Major League Baseball would have to shut down because we not only constitute a huge share of the star players on the field, but in many cities, the fans in the stands as well.

Without us the US military could not fight two wars simultaneously. Without us the recording industry would go bankrupt because Latin music is the only profitable and growing segment right now...therefore the reason behind the recording industry going after peer downloading applications and sites. Without us certain companies would have to file for bankruptcy. Those would include those that cater to newborn children like Gerber's, because we make up the largest proportion of child-bearing women in the country today. But also the telecommunications industry would suffer dramatically because we constitute a massive share of outbound international call volume. And that last one I know from experience...I was a supervisor once for not one, but three long distance carriers...AT&T, Sprint and Frontier.

Without us, many colleges would have to close. Here in New York, the overwhelming majority of students in local community colleges are Latino. Without us, many senior citizens would have to be put in nursing homes because our women are the backbone of the home health industry. My mom was a home health aide for over 20 years. Without us, the few remaining garment manufactures would shut down forever because Dominican, Puerto Rican, Mexican and Salvadorean women are the majority on those machines. Without us, in places like New York, you would not be able to own a car because most mechanics here are Dominican. Without us, you wouldn't be able to get a taxi in Manhattan because Dominicans and other Latin Americans dominate that industry. The president of their union is Dominican.

And that's just for starters. I'm not even going to mention the impact on jazz, ballet, dock workers, and many other industries and occupations that Latin Americans have entered into in large numbers.

And whether or not a Puerto Rican is a citizen is neither here nor there when immigration agents raid a workplace and that Puerto Rican cannot prove his or her citizenship. They get taken in too.

And those neighborhoods you are shocked to see...you are not too sure if you are seeing African-American neighborhoods. Obviously Coral Gables they aren't. Again, perception is a treacherous thing. Many of those neighborhoods were derelict long before Hispanics or African-Americans moved in them. That's why the whites left them in the first place in the much researched and well-known "white flight" of the 1950s and 1960s when they headed for better ones in the suburbs.

Politicians have rarely bothered to improve them because "those people don't vote." Except for one politician...my former boss, Bronx Borough President Fernando Ferrer, Jr., a Puerto Rican who took whole areas of the Bronx that looked like Nagasaki after the blast and made them look like any suburb on Long Island.

"Bronx Borough President Fernando Ferrer, Jr."

What's up? Is Feddy going to take another stab at sitting in Gracie Mansion or is he done?

I can't tell.

Hey Hispanlano, whats with you changing your picture everyday man.......Plus the middle finger as your profile picture doesn't look good. Jaboa, have you heard any news of who is going to be the next Prime Minister in Haiti. I was watching a news clip of Charlito Baker talking all tough about the whole ordeal, but Im wondering why he's not taking the job. Here is the link so you can look at it... http://youtube.com/watch?v=iYPWMFkvV6M