I thought that the catalan opposition to the central government ceased to exist after their defeat along with the Austrian forces on the War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1714), which saw the french Bourbons rise to the Spanish Throne. Specially considering that after the war, King Phillip V and his ministers went to great lenghts to suppress the autonomy of the different Iberian kingdoms.

You may want to read my chapter on the evolution of proto-Romance and why Old French should be classified as Ibero-Romance in this periodical:


http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~rescent/rph.html

The Catalan opposition to Madrid continues to this day. Although Madrid refuses to recognize the independence of Kosovo, Cataluña's regional government issued a declaration of recognition in defiance of the official Spanish position. They view themselves as a "stateless" nation.

DR, Cuba, PR too have had migration from Haiti and the DR. Those were the first choice of migration of the haitian elite and the dominican elite. I am not going to discuss things that I can't prove nor can you. Ok, I read the article but it is going to take one article and alot of research before I can accredit anyone. The article has alot of wrong statements I know for a fact so why can't this part be incorrect. The truth is I don't know nor do you for 100% fact. But I see know conspiracy theory rather a quick throw back of this being correct. You want people to believe every article you link here but when those that don't go with your mind frame it is bogus or something else for that reason..hmmm??? Something very fishy here...As I said good try and some will fall for the bait and others will just accept it and move on..They are dominican heros and it can't be taken away..Luperon,Duverge are aslo from catalunya as well, right? Peña Gomez, Candelier (not saying he has haitian ancestry) are all spaniards descendents..What year did you attend Sorbonne again? Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show me where I stated anyone's position was bogus. Show me.

You know what I find interesting about you...you don't so much argue a position as much as you turn tables. In a debate that is known as the "law of the loudest monkey". It may not be right or even very smart, but it gets him his banana.

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You know what I find interesting about you...you don't so much argue a position as much as you turn tables. In a debate that is known as the "law of the loudest monkey". It may not be right or even very smart, but it gets him his banana.
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Listen don't take anything personal. It's just that a can see a fake miles away. I give it to you though, you come out is a witty chap but you still have certain weaknesses in your character taht will always remain. You can distort the truth for as long as you want but like I said it doesn't make these dominican heros less dominican if they indeed have haitian ancestry. It appears that this is something impossible. Beside you and hispanosoy have the arguing covered and link back and forth while others meditate and come up with our own conclusion rather than garbage in garbage out..let it digest a tad. All due respect sir. You would make a good politician have you ever ran for any office?

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You know what I find interesting about you...you don't so much argue a position as much as you turn tables. In a debate that is known as the "law of the loudest monkey". It may not be right or even very smart, but it gets him his banana.
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Listen don't take anything personal. It's just that a can see a fake miles away. I give it to you though, you come out is a witty chap but you still have certain weaknesses in your character taht will always remain. You can distort the truth for as long as you want but like I said it doesn't make these dominican heros less dominican if they indeed have haitian ancestry. It appears that this is something impossible. Beside you and hispanosoy can play intellectuals and link back and forth while others meditate and come up with our own conclusion rather than garbage in garbage out..let it digest a tad. All due respect sir. I would make a good politician have you ever ran for any office?
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And where have I stated that they [B]DO NOT[/B] have Haitian ancestry? Again you chose to see what you want to see.

My favorite Anaïs Nin quote: We don't see things the way they are...we see things the way WE are.

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You know what I find interesting about you...you don't so much argue a position as much as you turn tables. In a debate that is known as the "law of the loudest monkey". It may not be right or even very smart, but it gets him his banana.
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Listen don't take anything personal. It's just that a can see a fake miles away. I give it to you though, you come out is a witty chap but you still have certain weaknesses in your character taht will always remain. You can distort the truth for as long as you want but like I said it doesn't make these dominican heros less dominican if they indeed have haitian ancestry. It appears that this is something impossible. Beside you and hispanosoy can play intellectuals and link back and forth while others meditate and come up with our own conclusion rather than garbage in garbage out..let it digest a tad. All due respect sir. I would make a good politician have you ever ran for any office?
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And where have I stated that they [B]DO NOT[/B] have Haitian ancestry? Again you chose to see what you want to see.

My favorite Anaïs Nin quote: We don't see things the way they are...we see things the way WE are.
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I might be wrong, but maybe what he sees in your discourse, muchacho, is that, by your constant emphasizing on the spaniard/canarian origin of a great part of the dominican families, you may be demeaning the haitian origin of others if not directly, at least implicitly. As if the people from dominican families of spanish origin had more of a right to reclaim "dominicanness" than any of the other inmigrant groups over here. Again, this is my perception, correct me if I'm being unjust on my assessment.

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You know what I find interesting about you...you don't so much argue a position as much as you turn tables. In a debate that is known as the "law of the loudest monkey". It may not be right or even very smart, but it gets him his banana.
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Listen don't take anything personal. It's just that a can see a fake miles away. I give it to you though, you come out is a witty chap but you still have certain weaknesses in your character taht will always remain. You can distort the truth for as long as you want but like I said it doesn't make these dominican heros less dominican if they indeed have haitian ancestry. It appears that this is something impossible. Beside you and hispanosoy can play intellectuals and link back and forth while others meditate and come up with our own conclusion rather than garbage in garbage out..let it digest a tad. All due respect sir. I would make a good politician have you ever ran for any office?
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And where have I stated that they [B]DO NOT[/B] have Haitian ancestry? Again you chose to see what you want to see.

My favorite Anaïs Nin quote: We don't see things the way they are...we see things the way WE are.
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I might be wrong, but maybe what he sees in your discourse, muchacho, is that, by your constant emphasizing on the spaniard/canarian origin of a great part of the dominican families, you may be demeaning the haitian origin of others if not directly, at least implicitly. As if the people from dominican families of spanish origin had more of a right to reclaim "dominicanness" than any of the other inmigrant groups over here. Again, this is my perception, correct me if I'm wrong.

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The Haitian origin doesn't need to be debated. It is well-known and documented. What I did do was point out the inclusion of the Imberts and Espaillats as FRENCH immigrants...not Haitian...but FRENCH. When it would be obvious to anyone familiar with the Catalan language and heritage that those last names are indeed Catalan. I also pointed out the common error made in Latin America that any last name that takes a "t" at the end has to be French. This usually results from a lack of knowledge of the regional languages of Spain. I once heard an Argentinia friend comment that the last name"Anzoategui" was from Italy...when in fact that is a Basque last name from Northern Spain. It is this that was attempting to bring to light...that many times last names that don't follow the typical Castillian sound pattern are ascribed to a foreign, exotic provenance when they are indeed Spanish in as much as there are regions of Spain that do NOT speak Castillian as their native tongues.

Somehow this was misconstrued as a denial of Haitian ancestry when that post had nothing to do with Haitian ancestry at all.