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#61 - Posted 23 June 2008, 11:39 AM
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thanks for that wonderful insight, Mr Lautaro. sadly, i read the education report, which is just a recurring theme without an end in sight. this is what i call jeepeta mentality; it looks great, and makes you look rich and important. but when it gets a flat tire, some people do not even have a spare!


You are talking like if the govermment is the builder or the money come from them.



Even though it's not currently the main builder, it's a fact that it should focus the money that it gets from exhorbitant taxes that they get mainly from us, the sacrificed middle classes, on more important things (like providing the population with ADEQUATE electrical, educational, health and nutritional services), instead of wasting its time competing with the private sector, playing the game of "who's the top dog on the construction sector in the country".
Edited on 6/23/2008 12:56 PM by Lautaro.
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#62 - Posted 23 June 2008, 12:14 PM
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i get it, NY4LIFE. by your calculus, ill conceived development which results in the possibility of catastrophic injury and death, overcrowding and stress on the infrastructure, and methodologies for construction which disenfranchise the local workers ,are better than no developments at all. i beg to differ. first of all, what infrastructure do you say is being developed? have the powers that be resolved electricity delivery? pollution and its debilitating effects? do you realise that haina is the third worst polluted spot on earth? you are so busy raving over tall buildings with shiny window frames that you cannot see the meltdown that could result from this strategy.


There will always be haters and doubters. What infrastructure is being built? Well, it's obviously better housing and more housing through these so called ill developed bldgs, Right??? Nothing has happened in DR and I hope that catastrophic event has been taken into account. Until then you can speculate all you want. No one really knows, I hope they took it into account. We shall see. The skyline of Santo Domingo is getting nicely developed. A sheer since of investor confidence in the Dominican economy. When Financial towers enter the mix then the capital will definitely become more of a financial powerhouse.
#63 - Posted 23 June 2008, 12:24 PM
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NY4LIFE, would you mind explaining to me what the heck you mean by haters and doubters? instead of resorting to hurt feelings and simplistic dismissals, try to answer the simple questions i put to the forum before. try starting with the one regarding the density and efficacy of fire extinguishers, mainly high pressure hydrants. do you think adults can plan a future based on hoping disasters do not happen? do you race around in your car without your seat belt fastened, hoping you do not get into an accident? i understand your indefatigable instinct to rave joyously about how wonderful things are becoming, but you are an adult, and have to temper your glee with inquiry. they also said that the Titanic was unsinkable! you believe that people who raise serious questions of concern are jealous of the wonderful progress that we are making here, but i suggest that a more cautious attitude be thought out.
#64 - Posted 23 June 2008, 12:25 PM
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#65 - Posted 23 June 2008, 12:53 PM
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NY4LIFE, would you mind explaining to me what the heck you mean by haters and doubters? instead of resorting to hurt feelings and simplistic dismissals, try to answer the simple questions i put to the forum before. try starting with the one regarding the density and efficacy of fire extinguishers, mainly high pressure hydrants. do you think adults can plan a future based on hoping disasters do not happen? do you race around in your car without your seat belt fastened, hoping you do not get into an accident? i understand your indefatigable instinct to rave joyously about how wonderful things are becoming, but you are an adult, and have to temper your glee with inquiry. they also said that the Titanic was unsinkable! you believe that people who raise serious questions of concern are jealous of the wonderful progress that we are making here, but i suggest that a more cautious attitude be thought out.


Exactly what I said. There is two sides to every story. The boom is a positive one in my point of view. You differ from me and that's ok. Period.
#66 - Posted 23 June 2008, 2:42 PM
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Juan Dolio its becoming a hot real estate area especially for Dominicans living in SD.






































#67 - Posted 23 June 2008, 2:49 PM
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Yes, Haitian influx of cheap laborers hurts the Dominican labor and is of major concern for Dominican laborers. It's always going to be a problem when cheap labor is chosen over the native more expensive labor. These illegal immigrants are taking the jobs away from Dominicans. Since they are illegal, there rights are waived and as a result are paid lower and are not provided healthcare coverage etc. This is a standard procedure that occurs here in the US with illegal immigrants who are paid under the table at a lower rate and with no healthcare. Is it right? No, but that's the way it is across the board. From a super power country to a third country that is trying to develop its infrastructure.

The U.S. can handle the fact that illegal immigrants are taking up jobs at lower rates from its native population b/c there are other means and opportunites to become educated and work in the U.S. However, the DR doesnt' provide that oppt yet for its people so the majority who are poor suffer from the influx of poor Haitians that come in and take over jobs from the majority native poor population. It's not a solely Haiti's fault but I think they should be blamed as well as the Dominican authorities for contracting illegal immigrants. We all know business just cares about the bottom line how much they make so they are willing to pay cheap laborers rather than the more expensive native population. With that being said, as it has been stated numerous times on this site on ways to solve issues btw. both countries, these business man should be penalize for contract such illegals to the point where they should lose their licenses after repeat violations. A campaigin should be sponosor by the Dominican gov't to condemn the hiring of illegal Haitians. Haiti on the other hand has to develop and create jobs for its people, attract the disapora to help develop the country, and create a campaign to denounce illegal immgration to the Dominican Republic. In my point of view, neither have done anything to stem or curtail the situation and now the country is feed up with the situation. When you have countries so corrupt as ours (both), LA, Asia, and all third world countries, these ideas are very revoluntionary and extreme b/c everyone is perceived or in directly involved with said corruption.

What we must realize at the end of the day is that there is always a positive side and negative side to everything. The upside is that DR is buidling its infrastructure and creating a more livable city. Jobs are being created, the city is being developed, and FDI is being invested in these projects. (gov't getting money). This is a signal of having a stable and democractic government. Downside, jobs are mostly benefiting Haitian illegal immigrant laborers, homes built benefit the minority, and questions arise about the safety of these projects. Overall, I still see this a positive for the Dominican Republic. It's getting developed and becoming a better country and will continue to attract people from all over the world which is the base of our economy. Is this the only financial model we should have? No, we have other things to offer such as agriculture, mining, free-zones, and hopefully creating a strong financial center to service the Caribbean. We have to let this play out and see where it will go and how people will benefit. Questions about the bldgs are legit but at the same time there is no way you can say it's not safely built. I guess time will tell wether or not this is good for the DR. Like I previously said, I hope all studies were made and information should be readily avaliable to the public. Let's hope for the best while expecting the worse!!



NY4LIFE,

I agree that those jobs are being lost and going to Haitians not because the Haitians are doing it out of or with malice intents to say they want to take jobs away from Dominicans... Naturally as it would happen with any economically troubled countries that lack economical stability. The job lost in DR is greatly being encouraged and given to the Haitians as we all could agreed because those employers would much rather pay someone to do the jobs who has less right in the Country whom simply need a job to survive and whom they know they would not have to pay those other additional benefits to or that those Haitians would not dare asking for because they know they are illegals and would much rather stay under the radar instead of trying to demand for raises and benefits and have those same employers reporting them to authorities which seem to be the case in DR that both the police force and those high demand Employers seem to be doing. They make deal with human traffickers to bring them illegal Haitians which those human traffickers charge those Haitians money to even be able to cross and then when they refuse to at times pay those Haitians they simply call and hire those very same police to pile up those Haitians and drop them off at the border. So the jobs get to be done without really having to pay much.

My take is, I will no longer or no more say DR has to start legalized Haitians as I already know that is not the sentiments shared by the most some of regular racist Dominicans... however it is either DR establish stricter rules and punishment for corrupted Dominican Human Traffickers if caught (which I doubt, because this kind of program is being deeply funded by both DR Government Officials and Investors Developers who in fact need the cheap labor to still be around especially with DR's precipitance toward modernization by building new high rises and new developments left and right). Or DR would just might find itself having to or have to start doing the unwanted and unbearable thing that most Dominicans do not want to hear or ever wish to become a reality which is to start legalizing Haitians. even then that would not solve the problem as you are right it just might encourage more Haitians to cross over as this is what most Dominicans fear "The Haitianization or Africanization of DR" which I am not arguing with their state of fear or xenophobe to say they are wrong for fearing this.

The reason I only mention this legalization of Haitian on this thread or to link it with this construction and job issue is only because I believe if, with the right cost DR were to legalized Haitians who holds prominent needed jobs in DR they would be allowed to ask for raise and benefits that those Employers would have to start not seeing the difference as to whether or not the higher a Dominican or legalized Haitian if it will cost them the same amount of money. More so, I believe DR on her part would have to crackdown hard on those Dominican human trafficking groups and corrupted police along as the Haitian Government would have to do a better job in helping DR combat illegal Haitians migrants through better diplomatic relations but with resect to human rights.
Edited on 6/23/2008 2:54 PM by Consuello.
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DREADLOCKS, SAID
try to answer the simple questions i put to the forum before. try starting with the one regarding the density and efficacy of fire extinguishers, mainly high pressure hydrants. do you think adults can plan a future based on hoping disasters do not happen? do you race around in your car without your seat belt fastened, hoping you do not get into an accident?

ARCATYPE: The type of construction in Dominican Republic is concrete and steel rod based for extra strength, meaning its anti-flammable and hurricane resistant it's difficult to get large fires because of the type of materials that are used in these buildings. As oppose to the U.S. where construction is sheet rock for walls which is highly flammable and although the bone of the buildings are concrete and steel based they are vulnerable to large fires because of the sheet rock. Houses in the U.S. are even worse the structures are light aluminum based and wood for strength plus sheet rock that's the difference, making houses more vulnerable to fires.
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#69 - Posted 25 June 2008, 10:49 AM
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arcatype, i am quite familiar with the differences in construction methodologies in the usa and the DR. you are quite correct that the materials used here are more flame retardant, but there have been major fires in buildings such as these, not because the structure burns, but the contents. as far as Mr Lautaro contends, a major earthquake is a possibility. look at the destruction in puerto plata a few years ago, and none of those structures is over 3 floors. stacking people in high structures is always risky strategy. in the vent of a major collapse, the city does not have the medical capabilities to deal with multiple casualties. i suppose NY4LIFE, who seems so offended that we do not all join the chorus line of celebrators, will show us some evidence that the medical establishment is up to METROPOLITAN STANDARDS also, and if we question that aspect of city planning, then we are haters!!
#70 - Posted 25 June 2008, 11:23 AM
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An uncontrolled, unregulated buiding boom occured in Madrid during the 80s. It caused a myriad of problems that madrileños are still dealing with today. Uncontrolled urban development is a disaster. Even loosely regulated urban development is a disaster as all the crane collapses that have occured in NYC over the last couple of months attest to. I have no idea if any urban planning was involved with these large construction projects that are popping up all over the place but given the track record of municipal governments in DR I seriously doubt it. I hope I'm wrong because dreadlock brings up a very good point as far as what a lack of adequate municipal services for all these projects can cause.

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