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#1 - Posted 12 August 2009, 3:21 AM
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If This Means Anything At All...


How about we do some research on the positive aspects of Haiti... for the positive things it possesses and stood for as well instead of this constant bashing and trashing. I mean, if one focuses to find the negativity at all times and costs, indeed obviously that is all and what they are going to find.



I think it is clear as it shows one's true intent hence within the ranges of their focal point, stance, view, ideology and opinion based on their constant affixations they project which proves just where or how made up one's mind, bias and prejudice are and in which cases in here often our disagreements, discords and devises seem to be quite fundamentally unattainable toward peace.



However, for those who search for the positive would find the positive. Beauty, innocence and hope can be found amid almost any calamities, traverses and despairs, but it is all based on the premises of one's aim and goal in terms of personal agenda of what they are trying to convey.



Some seem to want it that way and wish for relations between Haiti and DR to remain at a standstill with resentful hatred so that we could always bask or project superiority, condemnation and differences which we have allowed to pervade our humanity, humane hearts as simple human beings.



P.S: The wedged divisive perception given to us by elites and former conquerors which we have chosen to adhere to appears to be something many of us on here seem to want to always be remained.



**** I leave you all these videos even though I doubt many will even make the effort to listen to the symphony or look at the images they carry since they are not the typical degrading ones many posters like to post to tarnish, taint, tantalize Haiti with or by.


To digress or perhaps digest:





I have yet to see Spain, France, Portugal or any other past and former European conqueror nations being galvanized and demonized on here nor ever held accountable for the ills they have instilled around the world such as is the sickness of hatred both Haitian and Dominicans share for each other.


In this video, here are some positive humors you will not find most Dominicans indulge in regarding the aspects of Haiti. I wish some of you actually understood French to get the gist yet decent positivity of this video.



Lastly, here is something momentous of a reason most should take a trip to Haiti and do some positive researches instead of rather the persisting defaming campaigns




Edited on 8/12/2009 4:27 AM by AfroLatino.
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#2 - Posted 12 August 2009, 5:58 AM
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This means alote, not only is it interesting information but we dominicans have alote to learn AND should know alote more about the western side of our island.
and your right about how much we critisize haiti and latin american countries when countries like the U.S. and most of the developed nations around the world have done greater evils but its ok because apparently they know whats best for us.....
yea i dont get it either.
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#3 - Posted 12 August 2009, 9:00 AM
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I have yet to see Spain, France, Portugal or any other past and former European conqueror nations being galvanized and demonized on here nor ever held accountable for the ills they have instilled around the world such as is the sickness of hatred both Haitian and Dominicans share for each other.



Those Euro countries aren't to blame for the hatred between both states, that fault lays squarely at the foot of Haitian aggression early in our history as many people have asserted on this site. Anytime a Haitian claims that Haiti "liberated" us...well that just boils the blood of any Dominican I know.
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#4 - Posted 12 August 2009, 9:17 AM
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AfroLatino previously said:


I have yet to see Spain, France, Portugal or any other past and former European conqueror nations being galvanized and demonized on here nor ever held accountable for the ills they have instilled around the world such as is the sickness of hatred both Haitian and Dominicans share for each other.



Those Euro countries aren't to blame for the hatred between both states, that fault lays squarely at the foot of Haitian aggression early in our history as many people have asserted on this site. Anytime a Haitian claims that Haiti "liberated" us...well that just boils the blood of any Dominican I know.



Because this is often mentioned as an arrogant put down, as if we were helpless bums unable to make something out for ourselves, when experience have shown the contrary. Also, it's not taking into account that the patriach hatero society of our country was very different from the plantation slavery one of theirs, so any "abolition" was destined to be null and void, seen as it was based on unrealistic societal assumptions. Cattle ranching on our country made societal bonds between landlords and peasants that would never be present on the haitian society (except during the final push to overthrow the french) and which explains a lot why one society seems to advance at a faster pace than the other.
Edited on 8/12/2009 9:25 AM by Lautaro.
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#5 - Posted 12 August 2009, 9:25 AM
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There are many good things about Haiti that Haitians can bring up, and I have often ask why they don't, instead of always dwelling in the sad past, and inciting Dominican patriotism with their tales of conquest.
Whenever there is a "Ying there is also a Yang", ying energy is the female and yang is the male, or the plus and the minus.
Haitians have gone through a lot of suffering and mishap, and I will quote a biblical story about Mary Magdalene in one version:

When Jesus was questioned about why he allowed Mary Magdalene, with all her dubious and sorry past, be so close and travel with the apostles, he replied:
"With all that she has suffered in her past, her capacity for love has increased that much more"

I tell the Haitians:
"the ability to compromise and find common ground is a sign of strength, not weakness".

Display your pluses, in the present tense, and your positive outlook, and do not dwell in the sad past. The past can not be undone, change the present and you will have a brighter future.
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#6 - Posted 12 August 2009, 12:48 PM
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i think thats its great you're showing these videos not just to show the other side of haiti, but its culture and beauty. It's just sad how there can be so many ignorant people in the world, not just in dominican republic but everywhere u go. Lets focus on the positive things once in awhile instead of all the racial and political bashing going on in this forum. Much love to everyone, dominicans and haitians
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How about we do some research on the positive aspects of Haiti... for the positive things it possesses and stood for as well instead of this constant bashing and trashing. I mean, if one focuses to find the negativity at all times and costs, indeed obviously that is all and what they are going to find.



I think it is clear as it shows one's true intent hence within the ranges of their focal point, stance, view, ideology and opinion based on their constant affixations they project which proves just where or how made up one's mind, bias and prejudice are and in which cases in here often our disagreements, discords and devises seem to be quite fundamentally unattainable toward peace.



However, for those who search for the positive would find the positive. Beauty, innocence and hope can be found amid almost any calamities, traverses and despairs, but it is all based on the premises of one's aim and goal in terms of personal agenda of what they are trying to convey.



Some seem to want it that way and wish for relations between Haiti and DR to remain at a standstill with resentful hatred so that we could always bask or project superiority, condemnation and differences which we have allowed to pervade our humanity, humane hearts as simple human beings.



P.S: The wedged divisive perception given to us by elites and former conquerors which we have chosen to adhere to appears to be something many of us on here seem to want to always be remained.



**** I leave you all these videos even though I doubt many will even make the effort to listen to the symphony or look at the images they carry since they are not the typical degrading ones many posters like to post to tarnish, taint, tantalize Haiti with or by.


To digress or perhaps digest:





I have yet to see Spain, France, Portugal or any other past and former European conqueror nations being galvanized and demonized on here nor ever held accountable for the ills they have instilled around the world such as is the sickness of hatred both Haitian and Dominicans share for each other.


In this video, here are some positive humors you will not find most Dominicans indulge in regarding the aspects of Haiti. I wish some of you actually understood French to get the gist yet decent positivity of this video.



Lastly, here is something momentous of a reason most should take a trip to Haiti and do some positive researches instead of rather the persisting defaming campaigns









When you see our bad side which I don’t recommend, is when most Haitian come to the site with their bare chest trying to ignore putting down our history, culture and way of life. You will not understand our sensitive side because you are not Dominican. But I can tell you from my part if you come in peace as humble people we Dominican are I will lend my hand to you. But if you try to ignore our culture all hell breaks loose as you found out. Every Dominican in the right mind wants Haiti to succeed. Their success depend in a way our survival as Dominican.
MIENTRAS NO SE ESCARMIENTE A LOS TRAIDORES COMO SE DEBE, LOS BUENOS Y VERDADEROS DOMINICANOS SERAN SIEMPRE VICTIMAS DE SUS MAQUINACIONES
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#8 - Posted 20 August 2009, 3:55 AM
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Well, all I am saying is... When one focuses on looking for negativity, that is all they are going to find. You are not going to find many on here looking for the positivity against the already biased and made up view they have.

Remember I said, amid any calamity there could always be hope and innocence can be seen. All that matters is the perceptive eye of which beholder would tarnish or embrace what their prejudices allow them to. Here is and example of positive down bellow.







Not everything has to be a negative even if the perception of it may seem deferent to some no matter the place, region and so forth.

Now what are we going to do about negative situations like this here bellow?



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#9 - Posted 20 August 2009, 10:15 AM
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One thing I never undestand... Everyday day tourist agencies of the Dominican Republic are crossing with tourist in the citadelle of the King Henri Christophe.... But not one single dollars we have from this.. Is my country stupid enought ? Not even water are buy in Haiti...



someone got to explain me this..
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#10 - Posted 20 August 2009, 11:10 AM
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[[QUOTE]B][QUOTE=AfroLatino][/B][B][COLOR=#4D6DF3]I have yet to see Spain, France, Portugal or any other past and former European conqueror nations being galvanized and demonized on here nor ever held accountable for the ills they have instilled around the world such as is the sickness of hatred both Haitian and Dominicans share for each other
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][B]How many Spaniards, Frenchmen or Portugese posters try laying claim on us? How many of them try to portray us as some New World version of them? How many of those people take time to bash us?
No one here romanticizes them, it is what it is.

Haitians must come to grips with the fact that:

-They are a former New World colony, who after obtaining independence then went on to invade and occupy another colony struggling to obtain their own independence.

-After said colony throws off the Haitian yoke, they AGAIN invade over and over, pure aggression.

So you must understand why Dominicans get upset when Haitians try to pretend otherwise, or worse yet, try to sell us their fairy tale version of history.

The current tension between the two can be summed up by the fact that is started with past historical aggressions, constant encroachment onto Dominican territory, and the currentl massive influx of illegal immigrants. This situation in turn gets even worse when ignorant third parties bash every single aspect of DR based on their own Disney version of the situation. [/B]
Edited on 8/20/2009 11:10 AM by USADR.
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