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| #81 - Posted 1 September 2009, 12:08 AM | |
 Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4956  | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's  ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture"  , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! You should pay me for giving you classes for free, chilindrina. For your info, culture/language are not the only factors that can decide a regions move for independence, but ECONOMICS can play a good part on those factors. For starters, the dominican move for independence against Haiti was not only moved by cultural/ethnic/language factors, but also by the fact that the dominican nation was fed up about having to pay enormous taxes to the haitian government in order for it to pay its "independence debt" to France. In other words, the dominican population was paying for the consequences of a conflict in which they didn't participate in any way whatsoever. Move the capital to the North and your problems will be solved. Breaking that tiny little island up even more is pointless. As incredible as it may sound, I agree with you on this last point. The idea has always been to move it to the south west to develop it and to fend off Haitians. Would it do the first? Who knows. The second, probably not as it would invite more Haitians than Santo Domingo due to it's closer proximity. Moving the capital to El Cibao would concentrate a lot of wealth up there, more than already is. But I doubt my fellow Cibaenos will put up a big fight about that.  (you know, other than possibly polluting us with smog and traffic like Santo Domingo)Move capital to the South West, have more people move to the Border town and hopefully your Haitian problem can be assuaged. btw, I'd assume it's the large Haitian presence that's made the south so poor? Not so, it's because of its pretty much desertic landscape. As incredible as it sounds, the southwest actually have less haitians than the eastern or the Cibao regions. Even the haitians know that life is only to be found where the works and money are thriving, and there's neither the one nor the other to look for over there. Edited on 9/1/2009 12:11 AM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #82 - Posted 1 September 2009, 12:11 AM | |
 Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2215 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! You should pay me for giving you classes for free, chilindrina. For your info, culture/language are not the only factors that can decide a regions move for independence, but ECONOMICS can play a good part on those factors. For starters, the dominican move for independence against Haiti was not only moved by cultural/ethnic/language factors, but also by the fact that the dominican nation was fed up about having to pay enormous taxes to the haitian government in order for it to pay its "independence debt" to France. In other words, the dominican population was paying for the consequences of a conflict in which they didn't participate in any way whatsoever. Move the capital to the North and your problems will be solved. Breaking that tiny little island up even more is pointless. As incredible as it may sound, I agree with you on this last point. You'll not believe this, but the haitians have pretty much the same quarrels between their north and their south. The difference being that the south is the one that is aristocratic and seignorial on the haitian case.  I was surprised to read this, but then remember the north and south "kingdoms" which would make sense if that division persisted until today. |
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| #83 - Posted 1 September 2009, 12:12 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2215 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: GatitoRubio previously said: You want the Cibao to separate from the South because of the way you pronounce your R's ???I could understand the US south separating from the rest of the US due to how greatly distinct their culture is (it's arguably the only place in the US with what I would consider a legitimate "culture" , but the Cibao? You all listen to Bachata, Merengue, Merengue Ripiao (spelling?), talk about pelo bueno, etc., the only difference is your R's! The Basque country separating from Spain and France, understandable. The South separating from the US, understandable The Cibao because of pronunciation differences!?!?!? RIDICULOUS And I have a question; if the Cibao were to separate, would it include every single province even the ones like San Pedro, Samana, border provinces etc.? Or would it be exclusively Santiago-La Vega-Moca? If it is the second one, then making it a country would be stupid. San Pedro is in the south you incurable imbecile. And yes, it would include everything from Dajabon to Samana. It's the biggest chunk of territory (and the most fertile one) of the entire Republic, so they wouldn't be as stupid as to let out all the rest that belongs to them. Okay. But separating because of how you pronounce the letter R?!?!?!?!!?!?? What will you do once this Cibao country is made and people in the eastern portion of the Cibao start replacing their R's with S's!?!??! You should pay me for giving you classes for free, chilindrina. For your info, culture/language are not the only factors that can decide a regions move for independence, but ECONOMICS can play a good part on those factors. For starters, the dominican move for independence against Haiti was not only moved by cultural/ethnic/language factors, but also by the fact that the dominican nation was fed up about having to pay enormous taxes to the haitian government in order for it to pay its "independence debt" to France. In other words, the dominican population was paying for the consequences of a conflict in which they didn't participate in any way whatsoever. Move the capital to the North and your problems will be solved. Breaking that tiny little island up even more is pointless. As incredible as it may sound, I agree with you on this last point. The idea has always been to move it to the south west to develop it and to fend off Haitians. Would it do the first? Who knows. The second, probably not as it would invite more Haitians than Santo Domingo due to it's closer proximity. Moving the capital to El Cibao would concentrate a lot of wealth up there, more than already is. But I doubt my fellow Cibaenos will put up a big fight about that. (you know, other than possibly polluting us with smog and traffic like Santo Domingo)The boricuas, the cubans and the haitians have pretty much the same quarrels on their respective turfs. On the haitian case, the rivalry between Port-Au-Prince vs. Le Cap, and in Puerto Rico, the rivalry of San Juan vs. Ponce, and in the cubans, La Habana vs. Santiago. I knew about Cuba to some extent and could have guessed Haiti now that you mentioned it in the other post, but PR? That islands too tiny! I did like Ponce more than San Juan though. |
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| #84 - Posted 1 September 2009, 12:15 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4956 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: I knew about Cuba to some extent and could have guessed Haiti now that you mentioned it in the other post, but PR? That islands too tiny! I did like Ponce more than San Juan though. Same here. The people of San Juan are just too snob for my tastes. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #85 - Posted 1 September 2009, 12:18 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2215 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: I knew about Cuba to some extent and could have guessed Haiti now that you mentioned it in the other post, but PR? That islands too tiny! I did like Ponce more than San Juan though. Same here. The people of San Juan are just too snob for my tastes. Y San Juan ta lleno de ladrone. That and too many Pizza huts and Burger Kings. |
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| #86 - Posted 1 September 2009, 1:06 AM | |
 Location: United States Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3274 Posts: 80 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Whoever made this video...........  the sadness reeks.What a wake up call! Didn't know these were the real Dominicans. |
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| #87 - Posted 1 September 2009, 9:26 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 839 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: guillermone previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: The Cibaeños are the real Dominicans, the most authentic to Dominican culture and by a strange coincidence they also tend to be or happen to be of lighter skin complexion. Plain and simple. The rest of the folks have and hold Dominican nationality, but are not native to our culture. I think this is a volatile statement. While my family and I may agree, this is a statement of division. Come on you know very well that Cibaeños are very regionalistic people that is a fact and If we can form an autonomous and idependent state I will be the first to support it. C'mon guys, you do know our stubborn grand papis tried this in 1857 right? A provisional government and constitution were declared in Santiago against the government of Baez in SD. They even had to call back from exile my ghostly forebear, the original hatero pardo Gen. Santana, to lead them against the forces of Baez from the capital. Lucky for us the great unsung patriot Santana, after deposing Baez and his army, turned around and came right back to Santiago to put our Cibaeño grandparents in their place and keep DR united |
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| #88 - Posted 1 September 2009, 9:28 AM | |
 Location: United States, Boston, MA Join date: October 2008 Member #: 1466 Posts: 844 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. GatitoRubio, La C.C.C.T. todavia existe? DOMINICAN DOMINICAN DOMINICAN |
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| #89 - Posted 1 September 2009, 10:16 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2215 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: The Cibaeños are the real Dominicans, the most authentic to Dominican culture and by a strange coincidence they also tend to be or happen to be of lighter skin complexion. Plain and simple. The rest of the folks have and hold Dominican nationality, but are not native to our culture. I think this is a volatile statement. While my family and I may agree, this is a statement of division. Come on you know very well that Cibaeños are very regionalistic people that is a fact and If we can form an autonomous and idependent state I will be the first to support it. C'mon guys, you do know our stubborn grand papis tried this in 1857 right? A provisional government and constitution were declared in Santiago against the government of Baez in SD. They even had to call back from exile my ghostly forebear, the original hatero pardo Gen. Santana, to lead them against the forces of Baez from the capital. Lucky for us the great unsung patriot Santana, after deposing Baez and his army, turned around and came right back to Santiago to put our Cibaeño grandparents in their place and keep DR united Aw shucks! I'll have to settle for my extreme regional pride. Edited on 9/1/2009 10:17 AM by ElTorodeCibao. |
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| #90 - Posted 1 September 2009, 10:46 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 839 | RE: "The real Dominican" video. Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: The Cibaeños are the real Dominicans, the most authentic to Dominican culture and by a strange coincidence they also tend to be or happen to be of lighter skin complexion. Plain and simple. The rest of the folks have and hold Dominican nationality, but are not native to our culture. I think this is a volatile statement. While my family and I may agree, this is a statement of division. Come on you know very well that Cibaeños are very regionalistic people that is a fact and If we can form an autonomous and idependent state I will be the first to support it. C'mon guys, you do know our stubborn grand papis tried this in 1857 right? A provisional government and constitution were declared in Santiago against the government of Baez in SD. They even had to call back from exile my ghostly forebear, the original hatero pardo Gen. Santana, to lead them against the forces of Baez from the capital. Lucky for us the great unsung patriot Santana, after deposing Baez and his army, turned around and came right back to Santiago to put our Cibaeño grandparents in their place and keep DR united Aw shucks! I'll have to settle for my extreme regional pride. Well there is plenty to be proud of I agree If I recall correctly our Cibaeño grand papis were supporting a very modern, liberal constitution. And one piece I read about the story did indicate that there was at least an undertone of friction between mixed/autóctono rural population of the Cib region VS. more typically European criollos that were the predominant group in SD. BTW some would say the Restauracion was a re-staging of that same conflict. I'll dig it up tonight because the scholar discusses a similar case in either Venezuela or Brazil with the same dynamic at play. |
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