| #21 - Posted 1 October 2009, 8:33 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 838 | RE: ---ABC pack your bags-- Conservative leadership can put the great back into Great Britain. Quote: EnricoRizzo previously said: Europe’s center-right parties have embraced many ideas of the left: generous welfare benefits, nationalized health care, sharp restrictions on carbon emissions, the ceding of some sovereignty to the European Union. But they have won votes by promising to deliver more efficiently than the left, while working to lower taxes, improve financial regulation, and grapple with aging populations. Europe’s conservatives, says Michel Winock, a historian at the Paris Institut d’Études Politiques, “have adapted themselves to modernity.” When Nicolas Sarkozy of France and Germany’s Angela Merkel condemn the excesses of the “Anglo-Saxon model” of capitalism while praising the protective power of the state, they are using Socialist ideas that have become mainstream, he said. WE ARE NEW AND IMPROVED LEFTISTS |
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| #22 - Posted 1 October 2009, 8:55 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 2555 | RE: ---ABC pack your bags-- Conservative leadership can put the great back into Great Britain. Same old Same Old....take from the rich, and pretend to give to the poor while puttng it into your own pocket! Makes me want to be a leftiy! William Visit: www.caribbeanrealty.ca www.casablancacabarete.com |
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| #23 - Posted 2 October 2009, 8:44 AM | |
Location: Tanzania, on the river to lake Taganyika with Kate Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3707 Posts: 78 | Germany veers right - socialists 'slaughtered' Rick Moran This may be a harbinger of things to come or, just as likely, a purely German reaction to the failed programs of the social democrats. But Chancellor Angela Merkel's return to power has come with a price. Her center right Christian Democrats saw their majority shrink but in a big surprise, the pro-business Free Democratic Party increased their share of deputies in the Bundestag and Merkel will be forced to make concessions to the FDP if she wants them in her governing coalition. As America veers hard left, Germany and the rest of Europe appears ready to lurch rightward; and how ironic is that? It should be noted that Germany - and Europe's "right" is hardly conservatism as we know it in the US. But perhaps most significant in these German election results was the "slaughter" of the social democrats and their leftist allies. Claus Christian Malzahn writing in Spiegel Online: Nevertheless, the big loser of Sunday's election is still undoubtedly the center-left Social Democrats. Their result is below even the historic low that the party suffered in 1953 and which took it years to recover from. After 11 years in government, the party, whose status as one of Germany's two main parties seems to be in question since Sunday's election, is going into the opposition. The party is only 10 percentage points ahead of its upstart far-left rival, the Left Party. The Left Party is the result of a merger between the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) -- the successor to the communist party that ruled East Germany -- and WASG, a group of trade unionists and disgruntled former SPD members based in western Germany, and has managed to significantly eat into the SPD's share of the vote since it was founded in 2007. The mood that is now gripping the SPD could easily be described as panic. Already on Sunday, Frank-Walter Steinmeier staked his claim to be the party's floor leader in parliament. By doing so, he wants to send out a message of continuity during this hour of worst possible defeat. But the developments on Sunday night look less like continuity than a break with the past. Germans are experiencing the end of an SPD as they have known it since the 1960s. Right of center parties are also gaining ground in most of the rest of Europe and have been for more than a year. Perhaps more than "conservative," these parties are seen as "pro-business" and in severe economic downturns, it makes sense to elect people who will promote policies to help companies start hiring again and get the economy moving. Might this be a recipe for success in 2010 for Republicans? Time will tell whether the GOP can get its act together in order to come up with a coherent message that will convince the American people that Republicans have the ideas that will get us out of this mess created by too much spending, too much taxing, too much government interference in the economy, and too much Obama. rollin on the river with Rosie |
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| #24 - Posted 2 October 2009, 9:15 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 2555 | RE: Germany veers right - socialists 'slaughtered' Quote: charlieallnut previously said: Germany veers right - socialists 'slaughtered' Rick Moran This may be a harbinger of things to come or, just as likely, a purely German reaction to the failed programs of the social democrats. But Chancellor Angela Merkel's return to power has come with a price. Her center right Christian Democrats saw their majority shrink but in a big surprise, the pro-business Free Democratic Party increased their share of deputies in the Bundestag and Merkel will be forced to make concessions to the FDP if she wants them in her governing coalition. As America veers hard left, Germany and the rest of Europe appears ready to lurch rightward; and how ironic is that? It should be noted that Germany - and Europe's "right" is hardly conservatism as we know it in the US. But perhaps most significant in these German election results was the "slaughter" of the social democrats and their leftist allies. Claus Christian Malzahn writing in Spiegel Online: Nevertheless, the big loser of Sunday's election is still undoubtedly the center-left Social Democrats. Their result is below even the historic low that the party suffered in 1953 and which took it years to recover from. After 11 years in government, the party, whose status as one of Germany's two main parties seems to be in question since Sunday's election, is going into the opposition. The party is only 10 percentage points ahead of its upstart far-left rival, the Left Party. The Left Party is the result of a merger between the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) -- the successor to the communist party that ruled East Germany -- and WASG, a group of trade unionists and disgruntled former SPD members based in western Germany, and has managed to significantly eat into the SPD's share of the vote since it was founded in 2007. The mood that is now gripping the SPD could easily be described as panic. Already on Sunday, Frank-Walter Steinmeier staked his claim to be the party's floor leader in parliament. By doing so, he wants to send out a message of continuity during this hour of worst possible defeat. But the developments on Sunday night look less like continuity than a break with the past. Germans are experiencing the end of an SPD as they have known it since the 1960s. Right of center parties are also gaining ground in most of the rest of Europe and have been for more than a year. Perhaps more than "conservative," these parties are seen as "pro-business" and in severe economic downturns, it makes sense to elect people who will promote policies to help companies start hiring again and get the economy moving. Might this be a recipe for success in 2010 for Republicans? Time will tell whether the GOP can get its act together in order to come up with a coherent message that will convince the American people that Republicans have the ideas that will get us out of this mess created by too much spending, too much taxing, too much government interference in the economy, and too much Obama. The rep. s need a leader! Obama will help them win the next election, no doubt, but they need a leader! William Visit: www.caribbeanrealty.ca www.casablancacabarete.com |
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| #25 - Posted 2 October 2009, 11:51 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 4363 | RE: Germany veers right - socialists 'slaughtered' Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: charlieallnut previously said: Germany veers right - socialists 'slaughtered' Rick Moran This may be a harbinger of things to come or, just as likely, a purely German reaction to the failed programs of the social democrats. But Chancellor Angela Merkel's return to power has come with a price. Her center right Christian Democrats saw their majority shrink but in a big surprise, the pro-business Free Democratic Party increased their share of deputies in the Bundestag and Merkel will be forced to make concessions to the FDP if she wants them in her governing coalition. As America veers hard left, Germany and the rest of Europe appears ready to lurch rightward; and how ironic is that? It should be noted that Germany - and Europe's "right" is hardly conservatism as we know it in the US. But perhaps most significant in these German election results was the "slaughter" of the social democrats and their leftist allies. Claus Christian Malzahn writing in Spiegel Online: Nevertheless, the big loser of Sunday's election is still undoubtedly the center-left Social Democrats. Their result is below even the historic low that the party suffered in 1953 and which took it years to recover from. After 11 years in government, the party, whose status as one of Germany's two main parties seems to be in question since Sunday's election, is going into the opposition. The party is only 10 percentage points ahead of its upstart far-left rival, the Left Party. The Left Party is the result of a merger between the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) -- the successor to the communist party that ruled East Germany -- and WASG, a group of trade unionists and disgruntled former SPD members based in western Germany, and has managed to significantly eat into the SPD's share of the vote since it was founded in 2007. The mood that is now gripping the SPD could easily be described as panic. Already on Sunday, Frank-Walter Steinmeier staked his claim to be the party's floor leader in parliament. By doing so, he wants to send out a message of continuity during this hour of worst possible defeat. But the developments on Sunday night look less like continuity than a break with the past. Germans are experiencing the end of an SPD as they have known it since the 1960s. Right of center parties are also gaining ground in most of the rest of Europe and have been for more than a year. Perhaps more than "conservative," these parties are seen as "pro-business" and in severe economic downturns, it makes sense to elect people who will promote policies to help companies start hiring again and get the economy moving. Might this be a recipe for success in 2010 for Republicans? Time will tell whether the GOP can get its act together in order to come up with a coherent message that will convince the American people that Republicans have the ideas that will get us out of this mess created by too much spending, too much taxing, too much government interference in the economy, and too much Obama. The rep. s need a leader! Obama will help them win the next election, no doubt, but they need a leader! No one in their right mind with any intelligence would lead the bunch of stupid rednecks in the republican party who shout 'kill him'. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/palin-rally-kill-him-yell_n_134597.html No wonder so many people leave the US. One of the comments to the above article: As for what she whips up at these rallies; the secret service should swoop down on these idiots as soon as these words come out of their mouth. And why doesn't she (who loves the microphone so much) chastize them. She doesn't and that makes her dangerous. Don't laugh, this is how the Nazi party whipped up crowds in Germany. Good Germans came under their spell and the rest is history. We can't give in to the worst of our natures. They both do this because they can't talk about the issues with clarity and intelligence, so the plan is attack, attack, attack. The next leader of the RP could take the US further down the path of Nazi-ism S. Edited on 10/2/2009 11:57 AM by abc200. |
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| #26 - Posted 2 October 2009, 12:18 PM | |
Location: Tanzania, on the river to lake Taganyika with Kate Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3707 Posts: 78 | Euro Trash socialists are going in the Toilet So social democracy appears to be declining in Europe despite favorable modernizing demographic trends. In spite of social democracy’s electoral woes, however, many progressive policies remain deeply engrained in European societies and are accepted by parties of both the left and the right. Cases in point include universal health care, carbon emissions targets, support for social protections and benefits, and a more balanced and restrained foreign policy. Indeed, in many important ways, progressive policies are more clearly entrenched or institutionalized at the center of democratic debate in Europe than in America. We call this set of contradictory trends the European paradox. rollin on the river with Rosie |
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| #27 - Posted 2 October 2009, 12:40 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 4363 | RE: Germany veers right - socialists 'slaughtered' Quote: charlieallnut previously said: Euro Trash socialists are going in the Toilet So social democracy appears to be declining in Europe despite favorable modernizing demographic trends. In spite of social democracy’s electoral woes, however, many progressive policies remain deeply engrained in European societies and are accepted by parties of both the left and the right. Cases in point include universal health care, carbon emissions targets, support for social protections and benefits, and a more balanced and restrained foreign policy. Indeed, in many important ways, progressive policies are more clearly entrenched or institutionalized at the center of democratic debate in Europe than in America. We call this set of contradictory trends the European paradox. A paradox everyone in europe is a socialist now - the Gini ratio that measures the gap between the rich and the poor is low in Europe. Under Bush the gap between the poor and the rich grew to a record high 47.0 Much of Europe is about 30. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient#US_income_Gini_indices_over_time Conservative leaders are starting the green revolution. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2726846.ece ' Our biggest challenge is to reorganise society before dwindling resources force us towards a society of restrictions,” he said. The minister, who is one of Mr Sarkozy’s most popular, cited as an example the huge success of the 20,000 self-service bicycles that were put on the streets of Paris by the socialist council in July. The invitation to Greenpeace to help to make French policy marked a break from past hostility to the group, which has been at the forefront of the campaign against French nuclear power and weapons testing. ' On yer bike! It is difficult to imagine Palin having the same views - she just wants bigger pipelines. S. |
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| #28 - Posted 2 October 2009, 12:43 PM | |
Location: Tanzania, on the river to lake Taganyika with Kate Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3707 Posts: 78 | Bubbles you are circling the drain rollin on the river with Rosie |
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| #29 - Posted 2 October 2009, 2:58 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 4363 | RE: Germany veers right - socialists 'slaughtered' Palin will give you bigger pipes to your apartment to take all the ...... away that you speak in your land of broken down TV's. S. |
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| #30 - Posted 4 October 2009, 11:33 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 4363 | RE: Labour's Last Gasp Gordon Brown still wants to tax-and-spend.--He is Kaput Yes, the UK needs lots of wind farms so it doesn't contribute to global warming. It alos needs to encourage entrepreneurs with good eco projects. http://www.freshplaza.com/news_detail.asp?id=36268 US trucks tomatoes a thousand miles from Mexico. S. |
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