| #1 - Posted 19 November 2009, 11:06 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4107 | Pedro Santana I'm no fan of the historical figure Pedro Santana and never have been. But this morning I was reading some of Jose Marti's musings and one of his quotes immediately brang Santana to mind for whatever reason: HAY HOMBRES QUE MERECEN SER PERDONADOS, PORQUE EL BIEN QUE HICIERON FUE MAS QUE SUS FALTAS, LOS HOMBRES NO PUEDEN SER MAS PERFECTOS QUE EL SOL. EL SOL QUEMA CON LA MISMA LUZ CON QUE ALUMBRA. EL SOL TIENE MANCHAS. LOS DESAGRADECIDOS NO HABLAN MAS QUE DE LAS MANCHAS, LOS AGRADECIDOS HABLAN DE LA LUZ'-Jose Marti Edited on 11/19/2009 4:08 PM by cibaeño75. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle |
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| #2 - Posted 19 November 2009, 11:20 AM | |
Location: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3809 Posts: 4231 | at one time I always confused this guy with the more famous Antonio López de Santa Anna who was exiled to St thomas VI at one time ....I had a friend who lived in his house there ....unfortunately he is completely unknown there .....Like wise Camille Pissaro of impressionist painter fame was born there but I doubt if you could find a native who would know that .....I think Dominicans take far more interest in their history than down islanders Edited on 11/19/2009 1:04 PM by Blutarsky. al capo di tutti capi de los trolls |
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| #3 - Posted 19 November 2009, 12:20 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 3017 Posts: 26 | RE: Pedro Santana Santana's 'sin' is entirely forgivable in the context of his era and those around him. Even Dr. Bosch in his book on the war of restoration points out that much of the population had high hopes for re-annexation. Despite repeat successes in beating back Haitian invasions, FISCAL (monetary) chaos and political rivalry kept the nascent republic trapped in misery. No one expected the arrogance of Spain, or that the Spanish administration would repeat the same greedy monetary tricks to rob what little wealth remained. Santana died not long after his error became evident. Grief? In the end it was the restoration war that allowed social changes that solidified Dominican identities in the people. Remember men of Santana's generation and class had every reason to perceive themselves as Spanish colonists. His political error opened the door for this to change via war with Spain. So in two struggles, once by his revolutionary sword and once by his misguided ambition, Santana contributed much to the emergence of DR. Like Marti's sun, good and bad but I think even his bad did us some good. |
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| #4 - Posted 19 November 2009, 2:09 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4107 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: mentemorena previously said: Santana's 'sin' is entirely forgivable in the context of his era and those around him. Even Dr. Bosch in his book on the war of restoration points out that much of the population had high hopes for re-annexation. Despite repeat successes in beating back Haitian invasions, FISCAL (monetary) chaos and political rivalry kept the nascent republic trapped in misery. No one expected the arrogance of Spain, or that the Spanish administration would repeat the same greedy monetary tricks to rob what little wealth remained. Santana died not long after his error became evident. Grief? In the end it was the restoration war that allowed social changes that solidified Dominican identities in the people. Remember men of Santana's generation and class had every reason to perceive themselves as Spanish colonists. His political error opened the door for this to change via war with Spain. So in two struggles, once by his revolutionary sword and once by his misguided ambition, Santana contributed much to the emergence of DR. Like Marti's sun, good and bad but I think even his bad did us some good. Thank you for your well thought out and articulate response mentemorena...and welcome. I wouldn't call Santana's "sin" forgivable but at the very least it is understandable. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle |
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| #5 - Posted 19 November 2009, 2:16 PM | |
Location: United States, "El Amanza GUAPOS, BIGOTS, TROLLS, LLORONAS y SELF-PROCLAIMED DOMINICAN "PATRIOTS" De Villa Duarte" Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 5480 | RE: Pedro Santana Anybody cares to mention his "sins", for those non-Dominicans (and Dominicans) wanting to be educated?. Edited on 11/19/2009 2:17 PM by TuPapaupa. ![]() I am The BOOO!!GEYMAN...Hide The Kids And Stop The VELORIO, The Dancing, The Singing, The Whining, The Nagging, The Complaining and LLORADERA....El LEONAAAAAAAAZO De Villa Duarte is Here!. |
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| #6 - Posted 19 November 2009, 2:26 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4107 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Anybody cares to mention his "sins", for those non-Dominicans (and Dominicans) wanting to be educated?. He annexed the republic back to Spain in 1861...but this is the same man who years earlier had a sword struck for him at the request and expense of the Dominican congress with the word "Libertador" emblazoned on it for the role he played in the wars of seperation against neighboring Haiti. An enigmatic figure with few parallels in Latin American history (some historians have compared Santana and Mexico's Santa Ana. There are some similarities between the two that go beyond their names) "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle |
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| #7 - Posted 19 November 2009, 2:30 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4107 | RE: Pedro Santana Quote: Blutarsky previously said: at one time I always confused this guy with the more famous Antonio López de Santa Anna who was exiled to St thomas VI at one time ....I had a friend who lived in his house there ....unfortunately he is completely unknown there .....Like wise Camille Pissaro of impressionist painter fame was born there but I doubt if you could find a native who would know that .....I think Dominicans take far more interest in their history than down islanders Sorry I didn't read your initial response...but your confusion was not without merit... comparisons to Santa Anna has been made by historians in the past. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle |
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| #8 - Posted 19 November 2009, 2:39 PM | |
Location: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3809 Posts: 4231 | Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Blutarsky previously said: at one time I always confused this guy with the more famous Antonio López de Santa Anna who was exiled to St thomas VI at one time ....I had a friend who lived in his house there ....unfortunately he is completely unknown there .....Like wise Camille Pissaro of impressionist painter fame was born there but I doubt if you could find a native who would know that .....I think Dominicans take far more interest in their history than down islanders Sorry I didn't read your initial response...but your confusion was not without merit... comparisons to Santa Anna has been made by historians in the past. Camille Pissaros mother was also a Dominican they say al capo di tutti capi de los trolls |
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| #9 - Posted 19 November 2009, 3:49 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2976 Posts: 110 | RE: Pedro Santana Hindsight being what it is, it is easy to make the argument that Santana and his actions were merely a result of the times. In his mind, I am sure, his actions where governed by what he believed to be the best for the country. Nonetheless, Santana becomes a model, in a sense, for the South American Dictator, a model dozens have tried to emulate, a model that even those who live under foot absurdly praise. While he may have not been the first tyrant he was damn successful, so much so that our people still yearn for another "mano dura." Can he be forgiven for that? |
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| #10 - Posted 19 November 2009, 3:58 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2976 Posts: 110 | RE: Pedro Santana Don't forget his acts against members of La Trinitaria. - Exile of Juan Pablo Duarte - Execution of Maria Trinidad Sanchez - Exile and Execution of Francisco del Rosario Sanchez |
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