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[QUOTE=CarlosFranco]
[U][B]Rom1804[/B][/U]

OKAY! How is it not the Dominicans fault that Haiti is in the mess that it is in today.... "YOU PEOPLE"
Yeah I said it "YOU PEOPLE" betrayed us in 1844 with your little BS indenpendence tactics while we were paying for YOUR FREEDOM. [B]paying for our freedom ??? PAYING FOR OUR FREEDOM ??? Last time i checked Dominicans were paying for your freedom when you agree to pay the French for recognition; Not only did we had to withstand your asses in our country but we had to help you solve your finanacial problems... Get it straight [/B]

[COLOR=#ED1C24][COLOR=#ED1C24]First of all CarlosFranco you little worm, you ungrateful SOB if we Haitians weren't so kindhearted by helping out Latin America gain their freedom we would had enough troops in Haiti to keep fighting the French and the Spaniards and since our numbers were dramatically decreased in the battles that we HAITIANS had fought to give your sorry butt the right to speak as free man we had to pay them which at that time wasn't even much in the eyes of the super rich Haitian colony. Now If YOU DOMINICANS WERE SUCH COWARDS and we Haitian had the confidence that you would help us fighting the good war we wouldn't even pay the French and the English and the Spaniards and the Dutches. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=#ED1C24]So you see Haiti as a new independent nation was getting weaker not because of the lack of man power but LOYALTY. Not only did we have to prepare ourselves for a full French, Spanish, English etc.. Invasion we now had to watch our backs for the most dangerous enemy of them all. YOU BACK STABBING DOMINICANS which as History had proved over and over again that you were willing to do anything to please your former masters. SO YES paying the French was the most logical decision at that time. Let me remind you again that Ayiti and DR united whatever we had to pay the French was only chump change in comparison to what we had together and when you DOMINICANS betrayed us in 1844. Only further proves Haiti decision to pay the French was the best decision because if we were to engaged in another bloody war with the French and the Spaniards we all know now For whom the DOMINICANS would have fought for. Am I not correct? You Dominicans would have acted like those Scottish men in that Mel Gibson Movie BRAVE HEART where you would had shown up in the Battlefield but all of you DOMINICANS would have been waving the SPANISH FLAGS so therefore we stood correct in that decision of paying the French my friend[ and I say again if we weren't so busy liberating the rest of Latin American alongside of Simon Bolivar maybe we wouldn't have to pay the French. ACT 1: SELFLESS SERVICE. HAITI: 1 DOMINICANS: 0/COLOR][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#ED1C24]And Don't tell me that your were never slaves BS either. because the Spaniards even enslaved their own so for some reason I can't imagine the Tainos and the Spaniards back then were just sitting around the camp fire smoking their pipes like equals... [B]Some were... Some were not and freedom to the slaves would have eventually followed[/B] [COLOR=#ED1C24] When you said that some were and some were not do you expect me to believe that if you were not a slave and your countrymen were you wouldn't be bothered by that? Because when you said it like that only proves to me that you are the type of person that would sell his brothers and sisters to the masters as long that you don't have to suffer what they are suffering than everything is okay right? We HAITIANS we don't wait for eventually's to happen we believed that every men are created equal and if that right is violated we would do anything and our power to correct that wrong that is the reason why we were the first to rebelled against the oppressors. We wouldn't dare to indulge ourselves around the fire camp with the Masters and eventually hope that some day we will be free WE WANTED FREEDOM AND WE TOOK IT[/COLOR][/COLOR]
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Not only did "YOU PEOPLE" betrayed us in 1844 you did it again and again by repeatedly inviting your former masters to retake the island that OUR HAITIAN FOREFATHERS have died for in order to set you free. [B]betray you.... BETRAY YOU... You enslaved us, chased our people, burned our lands and tried to take away our language our religion and our way of life.... BETRAY YOU.... Your haitian forefathers are the ones to blame for such behavior on our part!!!! The fact that DR returned to Spain shows how bad your invasion really was....[/B]and it cost us Haitians lost of money to retake back Santo Domingo each time. YOU PEOPLE should be ashamed of your independence. [B]We should be ashame of overthrowing the oppressive regime... You are so high on ass. [/B]For me it only reminds me of the day we could have been great together but instead we are nothing but two magots nation in the face of the world. [B]DR is the jewel of the caribbean, we are independent unlike puerto rico, democratic unlike cuba, politically stable unlike Haiti... Perhaps you're referring to the other magot of the island of La Espanola.[/B]

[COLOR=#ED1C24] AGAIN we did not enslaved your people due to the LACK of CONFIDENCE that we had in your DOMINICAN ELITES ( Which by the way would do anything in their power at that time to see Haiti fail) We couldn't fight another big war because our troops were performing selfless service acts across LATIN AMERICA. So we did agree to pay the FRENCH now since Haiti was independent most of the Dominicans including some HAITIANS "Mulattoes" thought they wouldn't have to work to pay that debt. When a nation first gained its indenpendence in a world that is 100% against us we had to work even harder than a slaved used to just so we can keep up with with a world that hated us since the chains were loose most people i.e THE DOMINICANS did not want to WORK AT ALL. and we as a Nation had a Debt to pay the reason why you saw that we were enslaving your people is maybe because you did not understand that in order for us to stay independent we had to work even harder to remain on top it wasn't slavery with wipes like it was before but hey you have to work hard that's all and if you as a Dominican saw that as slavery then my friend I feel bad for you because that's life. Even today when you were in school you had to work even harder than the white kids in school to get in a good college if the white kids scored an A you have to get an A++ anything lower than that would be mediocre in the eyes of the college board. In other words if you all A's in school and a white kid got all A's don;t you think they would accept the white kid faster than you even if the white kids had all B's the would still consider him that's the reason why when Haiti became independent we couldn't perform at the same level as the rest of the world we had to notably outperformed them in order to be considered. That;s life that;s the way it is NOW and It was even WORST back then. So that was why even though the chains were no more but we as a nation had to work even harder the Haitians masses understood that concept but why can't you? Why won't you? why couldn't you Dominicans understand that.

One reason why I assumed that the Dominicans Elites / Haitian Elites were so outraged by Haiti's decision is because when they were under their masters maybe they had a cozy job and now that all men were being treated equal maybe they found themselves working in the field just like the old slaves and maybe they weren't too happy about it, or for them maybe they thought they were being enslaved were in reality they just had to work in the field just like anybody else. Thats like taking someone that's used to work in a air conditioned office for most of his life and you put him on the highway to do road construction. To that person he would feel that he is in Hell were in reality for the everyday construction worker that is just his daily duty. So you see maybe your Santana's, Duarte's and the rest of your founding fathers were not used to equality or socialist system that was in place and when they found their selves working along side of the average Joe's they sense of superiority over took them and they decided to revolt but by no means was it slavery No it was not that my friend if anything it was simply equal ism.[/COLOR]
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and for that I will forever hate you people. (except for that big booty dominican chick down the street I will always love her) [B]I wouldn't even jerk off to a haitian woman [/B]Anyway back on a serious note that moment right there is what hurt me the most yeah I will never forget that Feb. Oh crap everytime I think of the miss opportunities we had, I want to cry. All you F@ heads dominicans had to do was to stick with us a little longer and once we had paid that shameful debts [B]You mean once we paid your debt [/B]our nation together would have gained even more in return because our people would have invaded Jamaica and the rest of the islands. [B]Here is the true face behind the pleading Haitians... These people mean to conquered others islands and pass on their misery and problems... Learn to solve your problems and commitments on your own!!! [/B]THAT WAS THE F@ king PLAN you, you, rrrgggrrrr.... Ban nam' MERDE. Together We were the pearl of the Antilles idiots [B]Today we are the pearl of the Antilles, Free, Democratic and Stable [/B]and that money we were paying them was chump change to us together but it hurt us the a lot the day that you left. That miserable day of February 1844 hurt us more than financially. [B]VIVA DUARTE, VIVA LOS TRINITARIOS[/B]

[COLOR=#ED1C24]My apologies if you believe that when I said that we would take them over by no way did I mean enslaving them or oppressed them perhaps I should have used my word more carefully but what I meant to say was that we would have better influenced them culturally instead of them being influenced by the European as they are today. If we wanted to conquered the Carribean and every where else like you have thought then we wouldn't have helped Simon, Bolivar we would had instead reserved our troops, money and ammunition and invaded them ourselves. Again maybe you have misunderstood me. The plan was to go the other islands and expelled their oppressors give them freedom and move on. The reason things didn't turn out so well in DR is because of the constant disloyalty that we received on the parts of Dominicans. You must understand this Haiti was very unique at that time THE DOMINICANS and their false loyalties paralyzed us we couldn't mobilized our troops to another distant location when we knew that the Dominicans were constantly conniving with our enemies. The Haitian Army didn't want to set sail one day to another country and to come back and find the Dominicans and their masters retaking the whole island until we were confident that the Dominicans were loyal to the cause our presences had to be there in Santo Domingo 24/7 that's the reason why we were in your home. by no way did we want your side of the land we were just afraid that you would had ruined this great freedom that we Haitians had fought so valiantly for and of course History proves that we HAITIANS WERE RIGHT AGAIN in our ass assumption because not so longer after your independence you Dominicans gave the Island back to Spain the very thing we were afraid of/ so don't come crying to me saying that we invaded you or we enslaved you when if was you slaved mentality that caused you to not have faith in your fellow brothers. If only you DOMINICANS Had faith in us back even if you had faith in yourselves then we wouldn't even had to place troops in DR Haiti would have simply kick the Spaniards ou and we would had left the country in the hands of a faithful Dominicans Leader without having to worry about the Dominican Elites plotting against us. Yet again Haiti made the logical decision and displayed ACT: 2 LOYALTY Haiti did not let the Dominican masses down because the Dominican elites were simply worrying about themselves and regaining their relax air conditioned jobs while the Dominican nation would have eventually returned to slavery and as CARLOSFRANCO stated previous "EVENTUALLY" the DR would be set free and like I said people the people of Haiti didn't not settle for EVENTUALLY's we wanted FREEDOM and WE TOOK IT.[/COLOR]

Now wouldn't it have been better if Puerto - Rico, Cuba and the rest of LATIN AMERICA would have to answer to none other than us [B]How exacly could the rest of Latin America answered to "us" had your retarted plan worked [/B]The Haitian Dominican Republic AKA Hispaniola, Bohio Quiskeya whatever the hell you want to name it. Think about what your false sense of superiority and racism had cost us. IMAGINE Haiti having Jamaica and you Dominicans have CUBA we have Trinidad and you have Puerto Rico it could have been divided like or however else necessary. [B]I dream of Antille union... Of spanish speaking countries... but it must be done democratically not by force or else the Puerto Ricans and Cubans, and Jamaicans and Trinidarians would be haiting us to for the misery you have passed on to our side of the island... [/B]Get I Don't think we would have the whole Latin America but the surrounding islands would have definitely been ours. [B][U]unworkable plan[/U]... do you forget the British had the best navy in the world... haiti was impossible for the french because there was half a million haitians agaisnt them and were vulnerable to mosquitos.... How would have taken over other Island is an absurd idea[/B]AND because you were the cause of our premier failure I will not forgive you Dominicans ever. [B]We don't require your forgiveness!!![/B]

[COLOR=#ED1C24]The Hell with the British and their Best Naval vessels back then I'M A HAITIAN descendant of the greatest African Warriors I don't care if the Brits back then had Alien technology or some SCI-FI shit. I know my people would have been victorious because we had the WILL. unfortunately the Dominicans did not see it that way because they were AFRAID TO FIGHT for what they believe in instead they plotted with our enemies until we were brought down but KNOW THIS DOMINICANS AYITI is not yet on its knees despite of the events that you are seeing today. THE MIGHTY PHOENIX SHALL RISE AGAIN FOR THE ASHES.[/COLOR]

YOU DOMINICANS RUIN THE PLAN. and yes most of you are thinking right now maybe if the Dominicans were aware of the plan they would have played along BUT NO. YOUR ELITES COULDN"T BE TRUSTED (i.e. The Santana, Morales etc...) It had to be kept secret from your people back then due to the fact that most of your elites were allies with our enemies back then. [B]How do you justified the violence and atrocities committed by your armies against your "Brethren" ? ? ?[/B]

[COLOR=#ED1C24]Well if you were loyal to the cause in the first place like I mentioned before Dessalines wouldn't have to sack your towns. Its not like we the Haitian Army woke up one day , bored to hell and said GEE let us go razed some Dominican towns today. It wasn't like that at all. After numerous attempts by your Disloyal Elites the Haitians must had enough of their nonesense and decided instead of seeing the Dominican nation retaking by the Spanish they would rather see it in ashes and I, I, I, SON OF AYITI TOMA If the Dominicans were in our place back then I would have rather see DUARTE sacked Port-au-Prince 1 million times instead of letting fall into the hands of the French. but then again that's just me.[/COLOR]

Oh! God Dominicans what have you done? [B]Defended what was ours[/B]
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[COLOR=#ED1C24]What do you mean defend what was ours. Yours was never a concerned when I was under the oppressors why suddenly did it become a concern? You have no faith in yourself and you have no faith your race, the slave mentality is still embedded into your brain FRANCO.. You are the type of person that think that the only way something will work if its under the leadership of a whiteman. You are the type of a person that if a man of your race tells you to do something you will complain, bitch, and moan until your drop dead instead of simply comply to what was said to you but if in case it was a white men that directed you you would have only said YES with a smile and move on. Yes you are that type of person Carlos and your forefathers i.e. the Duartes and the Santana's were just like you. They wouldn't want to wok for in the field for their race but they would have gladly do it for the Caucasian race. They did not want to sweat , along side of a black men in order to accomplish something greater but they were willing to bleed for their oppressors "Spain" and for that I forever HATE your type. [/COLOR]

Dreadlocks, you are correct when saying that killing over a cell phone is more of a reflection of a decline in value than an economic issue, but Carlos is not stretching the truth when he says that crime worsened to levels never seen before during Hipolito's horrendous 4 years. There has always been crime in DR, always always, but when inflation, the baninter collapse, the sky-high food prices for items, and many many more things reached the levels that they did during Hipolito's disastrous four years, weak-minded people (of which apparently we have way too many) get even more desperate and resort to things such as crime (not that I'm justifying this either). I'm not saying Leonel is the Don Dada, but I'll take him over Hipolito any day! Actually anytime the PRD has been in power there's been nothing but disaster.

What a load of b.s., you obviously have issues with who you are and take pride in distorting history. Do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself and embarrassing all of the haitians that don't think like you. Like you've been told before, if you don't like us Dominicans then don't come on this site. It's that easy. Don't worry we won't miss you!

actually, JEM, i think the country would be better off if it was governed by a sheepdog in preference to Hippo, who set new lows for governance. the mystery for the ages is "why on God's green earth did Dominicans elect such a troll? it is almost as inexplicable as Americans electing George Bush, not once, but twice!

Hey! Bjtch YOU did you even read my F3k1ng response to Franco's shenanigans ...... or was that the only part you read...? I know, I know its 2 pages long but before you open your mouth you better read my response so you can grasp the whole subject of which I'm talking about.

Rom1804,Ur a real piece of work and a loser. I hope ur proud of yourself. I wish some of these internet “Hombrecitos” had the heart to meet up (preferably in the Dr) and repeat what they say online, but the sad truth is these internet “thugs” are just scared little boys with nothing better to do.

What a great way to talk to a lady.

What a "big" man you are.

Let me guess, brave when talking to a lady and when hidding behind a computer, right?.

Loser!.

rom1804, i understand your passions in this issue, and agree with some of your assertions. but you do yourself a grave disservice by speaking in such tones to other posters, let alone a lady. far be it from me to issue you a scolding, but you might want to consider an apology for what can easily be construed as an unwarranted outburst, not befitting of someone who wants to make such heavy statements.