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#41 - Posted 18 December 2008, 1:16 PM
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Really disturbing video.
I once saw a documentary about a poor Haitian ex TTM at a diplomatic gathering in Santo Domingo being "laced" with a tire and set fire with gasoline while still alive and when I disgusted told the crowd watching it was a "barbaric and inhuman" act I was asked to leave rudely by the sponsors of the film.
In their euphoric high and thirst for vengeance all present forgot their humanity.
Dominicans are faced by the same dilemma the captain of a lifeboat adrift in remote ocean waters that was tried for murdering passengers when he decided to expel into the ocean the old, weak and sick passengers out of the lifeboat so the healthy and strong could barely make it to shore with great team effort.
That is basically the DR situation with Haiti. If we continue permitting the Haitians exportation of their poor to DR and the exploitation of their work force by the hungry indifferent business men the DR will definitely sooner rather than later become just like Haiti is today. A chaotic hell hole and ravaged mess.
We must start deporting thousands of illegal Haitians back to their homes and reinforce and seal the
porous border with all the Dominican army, because this is a national emergency that must be faced head on.
If this is not enough then we should allow and recruit civilian volunteer patrols to help police the border alongside the regular army and police.
If we don't take these necessary and urgent steps now then like the story of the lifeboat above, this island is going to sink all together and very soon, and the remainder still alive will have to swim to shore if they are not eaten alive by fellow cannibals or sharks.
It is a national emergency to be faced with energy, valor and determination.
Edited on 12/18/2008 1:24 PM by generoso.

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#42 - Posted 18 December 2008, 1:46 PM
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Really disturbing video.
I once saw a documentary about a poor Haitian ex TTM at a diplomatic gathering in Santo Domingo being "laced" with a tire and set fire with gasoline while still alive and when I disgusted told the crowd watching it was a "barbaric and inhuman" act I was asked to leave rudely by the sponsors of the film.
In their euphoric high and thirst for vengeance all present forgot their humanity.
Dominicans are faced by the same dilemma the captain of a lifeboat adrift in remote ocean waters that was tried for murdering passengers when he decided to expel into the ocean the old, weak and sick passengers out of the lifeboat so the healthy and strong could barely make it to shore with great team effort.
That is basically the DR situation with Haiti. If we continue permitting the Haitians exportation of their poor to DR and the exploitation of their work force by the hungry indifferent business men the DR will definitely sooner rather than later become just like Haiti is today. A chaotic hell hole and ravaged mess.
We must start deporting thousands of illegal Haitians back to their homes and reinforce and seal the
porous border with all the Dominican army, because this is a national emergency that must be faced head on.
If this is not enough then we should allow and recruit civilian volunteer patrols to help police the border alongside the regular army and police.
If we don't take these necessary and urgent steps now then like the story of the lifeboat above, this island is going to sink all together and very soon, and the remainder still alive will have to swim to shore if they are not eaten alive by fellow cannibals or sharks.
It is a national emergency to be faced with energy, valor and determination.


What;s the matter are you afraid of a little competition? It seemed to me that you are afraid that the Haitians might be better than you in the job markets and that Dominicans won't be able to compete with the Haitian masses therefore they would rather close down their borders instead of letting the competition in. You weak pathetic fool. Hey you know what they say if you can't stand the heat stay out the kitchen. You have your Army of soldiers I have my Army of peasants and this is war so stop crying on here and man up it's not my fault that our strategy is working better than yours maybe you should go back to the drawing board and come up with a better plan. Believe me when I tell you child that close the border plan that you have mentioned we Haitians have already thought of that and we have a counter plan for that action as well if ever they were implimented so like my friend's daughter Paris. H. would say "GAME ON Bjtchez"
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#43 - Posted 18 December 2008, 1:57 PM
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Hey Loco:
Check this paper out smarty pants, courtesy of Lautaro.

http://www.websteruniv.edu/~corbetre/haiti/misctopic/leftover/whypoor.htm

And then tell me your opinion.
Edited on 12/18/2008 1:58 PM by generoso.

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#44 - Posted 18 December 2008, 2:25 PM
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One more thing, as somebody with training in warfare can attest if that's the sample of the best the Haitian army has to offer shooting from the hip like their rifle was a strange body, then we Dominicans have nothing to fear from the Haitian mobs or armies.
They can be defeated by one motivated individual trained in sniping techniques with a spotter and loader with a lone rifle with a scope and enough ammo.

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#45 - Posted 18 December 2008, 4:57 PM
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Kmnupe, Said

Maybe you should go to Haiti and take a f*cking survey. Haitian posters here are not migrating to DR and I'm sure neither are their family members.

You have a good fight and cause, but the wrong approach and arena.

Incidentally, what exactly are the problems that YOU are fixing in the DR? I know personally that I've fixed the problems of some of your illegals here in the US.

You talk all this sh*t but never in a million years would you work for CESFRONT.

The problems do start in Haiti and fixing them are Haiti's job, but, tell starving and desperate people that they have to help fix a situation that's wayyy above their means and might.

YOU all should petition your government to deport illegals and stop allowing people to give them jobs.

End of story. Period. Anything else is Hot-air.

Haiti will never get on her feet alone. NEVER. NEVER. If you call that a defeatist mindset, you truly do not understand the gravity of the situation.


It's been interesting. My internet experience has perhaps ruined my love for the DR and the people I used to call "primo/prima".

Keep spreading your hate for it will surely come back to you.



Arkatype, Said I Don't need to take a f*****g survey in Haiti, and if i did 85% of you're people will be invading my country. Who am i to adress the haitian eating mud cookies? or the intellectuals like yourself? that have access to the internet. What i don't do or what i do is none of you're concern. The question remains what are haitians doing to fix there problems? You're people claim to be highly educated above everyone but yet can't carry any task in a civil manner. The reason why i posted the videos is to instill in the minds and spirit of dominicans that we must protect our patrimony. We only have one piece of real estate that we can call our own, we should be able to protect and not let it fall in the hands of people that don't give a damn. That's my concern i could post more but i got other things to do now.
Edited on 12/18/2008 4:58 PM by arkatype.
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#46 - Posted 18 December 2008, 5:04 PM
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Haitians workers are “cheaper” than Dominicans, not “better” and usually you can use them only for low grade jobs because frequently they do not have any particular skills (almost any high grade worker in Dominican Republic in not from Haiti). They are so bad in Haiti that they can work here for something to eat and a place to live. For that reason we say they are “depressing” our salary system. Dominicans have to work for the same salary Haitians ask to their employers or they are not going to find a job if a Haitian can be used in the position he or she wants.

Haitianation, do you know what is “the proud of the bullock” (el orgullo del buey) in Dominican Republic? That is the proud of a person with a standing chest (un pecho para’o) and an ass full of shit (el culo to’ caga’o). Indeed that is your dammed proud, jerk.
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#47 - Posted 18 December 2008, 5:13 PM
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Lautaro, Said
It doesn't help the fact that the dominican elite is in league with the haitian one in the exploitation of that population, nor the fact that the dominican populace, due to survival and the effects of colonialism, couldn't care less about the fate of its counterpart of the western side.

Arkatype, Said I disagree with you're assertion, dominican elites are not in league or in cahoots with the haitian elite that's one big crock. First is their a sizeable haitian elite the answer is no! Who are these elites? most are not even haitian or don't identify with the plight of the majority of the populace. If you call criminals elite well then i have to agree, most of these so called elites are involved in criminal activities. The ghost goverment in Haiti is inept and really is under the auspice and leadership of the U.N. and the 100s of N.G.O.'s in the country are the ones responsible for the feeding and healthcare of the haitian populace. So no Lautaro you're wrong on this one.
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#48 - Posted 18 December 2008, 8:07 PM
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Lautaro, Said
It doesn't help the fact that the dominican elite is in league with the haitian one in the exploitation of that population, nor the fact that the dominican populace, due to survival and the effects of colonialism, couldn't care less about the fate of its counterpart of the western side.

Arkatype, Said I disagree with you're assertion, dominican elites are not in league or in cahoots with the haitian elite that's one big crock. First is their a sizeable haitian elite the answer is no! Who are these elites? most are not even haitian or don't identify with the plight of the majority of the populace. If you call criminals elite well then i have to agree, most of these so called elites are involved in criminal activities. The ghost goverment in Haiti is inept and really is under the auspice and leadership of the U.N. and the 100s of N.G.O.'s in the country are the ones responsible for the feeding and healthcare of the haitian populace. So no Lautaro you're wrong on this one.


What about the businessmen that are using haitian labour on their construction projects, archie? Are they not part of the elite? While the agreements between the govs for the supply of cheap labour might have ended with the ousting of Baby Doc, it's no less a fact that the contacts between the private parties of both countries have continued. The only thing different being that, instead of only being the people in the army bringing them, you have a corps of private scouts (or buscones) operating on both sides of the fence. Moreover, the private sector hasn't been the only one involved on this traffic business, cuz' if that were to be so, how would you explain the fact of the majority of the workers in the Metro being of haitian extraction? or the ones working on Secretary of Culture's payroll in the reconstruction of some of the historical sites in Santiago?
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double post.
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#50 - Posted 18 December 2008, 8:25 PM
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Kmnupe, I am really sorry because your Internet experience “has perhaps ruined [your] love for the DR”. We have no interest at all in wining a popularity contest but we passionately appreciate people loving us.

For me, you are a very interesting person and even with our differences I like this interaction with a person from the other side (with the kind of person that you are). If in this island we are going together to someplace is talking with persons like you that we are going to get over there.

Think about it again. You can learn from this Internet experience these truths:
1) Some frustrated Haitians that can not stand what we have done in the Eastern part of our island like (actually they enjoy themselves) to attack us and we can not avoid answering back, usually as roughly as we are being attacked. (We ever, absolutely ever are going to be more inclined to throw in the glove than the towel. That is part of our genetic code.)
2) All the measures that we can take in this part of our island are not going to resolve the serious problems you can find in Haiti. (Of course you are right, we have a hard work to do about some important matters that are affecting your people but the most wonderful results for our efforts in our part are not going to mean a decisive change in the turbulent Haitian life.)
3) You can be certain there is a future for us, Dominicans and Haitians. (We are only telling you that bright common future starts in Haiti not in Dominican Republic. We can not live in harmony with the present Haiti’s situation.)
4) Dominicans do not hate Haiti and Haitians and we gladly would like to participate in a common effort with the international community for helping Haiti to resolve its problems but we are not going to assume that responsibility alone because is completely out of our possibilities.

And you can learn this truth too: we, Dominicans, are very reasonable people and you can try to sustain you points with persons that can use their reason capability to find out right solutions.

We respect your literature, your folklore, your believes and we want a flourishing Haiti with the natural consequences: prosperous commerce between us, cultural exchanges and a better quality life in our common ship: our island. The dark side is this one (and I say it again): if a Haitian wants a fight positively he or she is going to find one.

The day Haitians start to stop provoking us will be the first day of our best common future. It is as simple as that.




PeROD,


I had to answer your post. Good post.

I just want to reiterate to people that most Haitians do not even consider the DR as a source of our issues. Most of us are still absorbing the fact that our sweet little country has gone into decay.

We've had our problems in the past but since 1986, it's been downhill. My point is that WE have so much contempt for our traitors (within) that the DR really doesn't have room to factor into the equation.

The issue with the international community riding the DR is understandable, but, in reality do the beneficiaries of the DR's benevolence (illegals, indigent) really "make noise" about their plight in the DR or do others speak on their behalf? That's really important considering that they are made to appear ungrateful.

Just like in the USA, a lot of immigrants legal or otherwise bitch about their adopted country, but , most don't.

Next topic is the Haitian posters that talk smack to you guys. Well, I really don't take them seriously for the simple fact that Dominicans in Haiti live with no problems and many Haitians in the DR have a whole lot of ssues(including being undocumented.) So, who's more vulnerable? and who stands to lose more. I don't get them.

What gives me pause is that so far, I was born in a country full of n*gge*rs, devil-worshippers monkeys, ugly, aids-infested, lazy, good for nothing low-lives. I'm not sure if grandmothers, babies, nurses and doctors, nuns and handicapped people are included. LOL.

It's all over the net. You can go to HaitiXchange and witness debates between Haitians and Dominicans and while some Haitians get acidic, you never see the blatant disrespect and disdain.

Our history cannot be changed and our current situation should not be the DR"s problem, but, the majority of my compatriots cannot bear the cross for some of our ancestors' misguided policies, nor the last 20-25 years of our decline.

It's up to us who are educated and think outside the box to prepare ourselves to be the future leaders of our countries. We need to reverse the warped fashion of governance that the island is subjected to.

I welcomed the opportunity to converse.
Edited on 12/18/2008 8:30 PM by kmnupe.

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