| #21 - Posted 30 January 2009, 10:02 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 3287 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR Go ahead, Ask. You might just get an apology from Carter II. But real Americans will never apologize. There is no reason to. http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/ |
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| #22 - Posted 30 January 2009, 1:01 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1932 Posts: 1186 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR Quote: anthonyC previously said: Go ahead, Ask. You might just get an apology from Carter II. But real Americans will never apologize. There is no reason to. http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/ Holy Crap! There is an obama impeachment site already !! Holy mother of Allah !!!! Give the Sanit Barrack a chance!! Anyway, if Bush wasnt impeached, I dont think any ohter president will ever be impeached!! Chill: If writing the letter makes only YOU feel better , then it is worth it !! Let me know if I can help in any way !! "Y si la muerte me sorprende, bienvenida sea" |
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| #23 - Posted 3 February 2009, 6:55 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism Join date: May 2008 Member #: 731 Posts: 2064 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR Quote: anthonyC previously said: Go ahead, Ask. You might just get an apology from Carter II. But real Americans will never apologize. There is no reason to. http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/ If they did not impeach George W. Bush then they really won't impeach anyone. |
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| #24 - Posted 3 February 2009, 10:39 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya La Bella Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 5729 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR I agree with ladronaso that it s a waste of time to ask for an apology.. Let's move forward not backwards. A few historical facts straight from the source as I have interviewed both sides of the Dominican civil war: The US intervention was formally requested by Coronel Pedro Bartolome Benoit in a letter (at the time head of the military junta of San Isidro Air Force Base) at the request of US ambassador William Tapley Bennett who had just returned from his home state of Georgia, and had thrown out of the US Embassy Coronel Francis Caamaño who was looking for US mediation in the conflict. General Wessin was a fervent catholic believer and fanatic anti-communist and had been as a coronel instrumental in installing democracy in the DR by his role in the events after the death of Trujillo, and was considered a hero by his men at the CEFA (Centro de Enseñanza de las Fuerzas Armadas) the unit that held most of the tanks in the San Isidro Air Force base. He was adored by his subordinates, living a frugal life in the barracks. General Wessin having had a visible participation in the overthrow of Juan Bosch in 1963 did not agree to the return of Juan Bosch and instead proposed a military junta to govern the country and replace the Triunvirate headed by Donald Reid Cabral. General Wessin fought valiantly and ruthlessly against the constitutionalist forces while some of his fellow generals and high ranking officers were having nervous break downs and were ready to surrender to the forces led by Coronel Caamaño. After secret peace agreements were reached by the US mediation, he was forcibly put on a helicopter and sent to exile in Miami. After he returned from exile where he had a diplomatic post he led a conspiracy to get rid of Balaguer and he was arrested and paraded on TV where he did not say a word to Balaguer when questioned. Many years later Balaguer re commissioned him in the armed forces and gave him the top post as Secretary of the Armed Forces. He is now retired. I write this clarification in the interest of accuracy, completely without any inclinations of support to General Wessin's poltical views. I do not agree with his actions and would have preferred that he had sided with coronel Caamaño's and refrain from a costly civil war that caused the US invasion. In retrospect USA Ambassador's Bentley was entirely responsible for the breakdown of the talks as he was partial to the Wessin faction and did not agree with the return of Juan Bosch. My theory is that the civil war could have been avoided by meeting both sides half way with a provisional civilian government that would call for elections in a relatively short time, which was the same solution that was agreed after both sides suffered over 3,000 death and untold numbers of wounded. Ambassador Bennett just inflamed Coronel Caamaño and polarized both factions into their own hard core positions. Edited on 2/3/2009 10:55 PM by generoso. "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad. |
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| #25 - Posted 4 February 2009, 9:14 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4956 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR Quote: generoso previously said: I agree with ladronaso that it s a waste of time to ask for an apology.. Let's move forward not backwards. A few historical facts straight from the source as I have interviewed both sides of the Dominican civil war: The US intervention was formally requested by Coronel Pedro Bartolome Benoit in a letter (at the time head of the military junta of San Isidro Air Force Base) at the request of US ambassador William Tapley Bennett who had just returned from his home state of Georgia, and had thrown out of the US Embassy Coronel Francis Caamaño who was looking for US mediation in the conflict. General Wessin was a fervent catholic believer and fanatic anti-communist and had been as a coronel instrumental in installing democracy in the DR by his role in the events after the death of Trujillo, and was considered a hero by his men at the CEFA (Centro de Enseñanza de las Fuerzas Armadas) the unit that held most of the tanks in the San Isidro Air Force base. He was adored by his subordinates, living a frugal life in the barracks. General Wessin having had a visible participation in the overthrow of Juan Bosch in 1963 did not agree to the return of Juan Bosch and instead proposed a military junta to govern the country and replace the Triunvirate headed by Donald Reid Cabral. General Wessin fought valiantly and ruthlessly against the constitutionalist forces while some of his fellow generals and high ranking officers were having nervous break downs and were ready to surrender to the forces led by Coronel Caamaño. After secret peace agreements were reached by the US mediation, he was forcibly put on a helicopter and sent to exile in Miami. After he returned from exile where he had a diplomatic post he led a conspiracy to get rid of Balaguer and he was arrested and paraded on TV where he did not say a word to Balaguer when questioned. Many years later Balaguer re commissioned him in the armed forces and gave him the top post as Secretary of the Armed Forces. He is now retired. I write this clarification in the interest of accuracy, completely without any inclinations of support to General Wessin's poltical views. I do not agree with his actions and would have preferred that he had sided with coronel Caamaño's and refrain from a costly civil war that caused the US invasion. In retrospect USA Ambassador's Bentley was entirely responsible for the breakdown of the talks as he was partial to the Wessin faction and did not agree with the return of Juan Bosch. My theory is that the civil war could have been avoided by meeting both sides half way with a provisional civilian government that would call for elections in a relatively short time, which was the same solution that was agreed after both sides suffered over 3,000 death and untold numbers of wounded. Ambassador Bennett just inflamed Coronel Caamaño and polarized both factions into their own hard core positions. It's really a sad thing that almost nobody from both sides have reached the same conclusions, generoso. Every time that the subject of the civil war comes up, the only thing that the survivors from both sides ever do is to entrench themselves on their positions and finger point the other's ideas. The work of self-criticism shines for its absence. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #26 - Posted 4 February 2009, 10:28 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 3287 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR Quote: chillaxin201 previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Go ahead, Ask. You might just get an apology from Carter II. But real Americans will never apologize. There is no reason to. http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/ If they did not impeach George W. Bush then they really won't impeach anyone. Your grasp of Civics is amazing. |
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| #27 - Posted 4 February 2009, 2:58 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya La Bella Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 5729 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR In the interest of historical accuracy I will also state that the "rebel forces" as they were called at the time by the US army, led by the fearless and brave coronel's Caamaño and Montes Arache were the furthest thing from being communists, as a mater of fact they were some the dictator's son Ramfis most admired warriors which he kept direct contact with and even disclosed some previous secret arm storage depots in the Fortaleza Ozama for their use, after they stormed and captured that fortress. I can say with no second thoughts that if the US would not have interfered with their unjust invasion backing the darkest faction in San Isidro air force base, the rebel forces would have assaulted the air base and would have captured the national palace thereafter. Even though the navy's legendary admiral Rivera Caminero was at large in the city shores with a few warships and steel balls Wessin with his tanks and planes had no disposition to surrender and were hard core warriors willing to die for their cause. The constitutionalist forces would have eventually succeeded and achieved a relatively quick victory. Since Wessin's tank assault to the city through Duarte bridge in the battle of "EL Puente Duarte" had been a disaster. Regarding what would have happened if they would have taken over, remains a source of much speculation. Judging by what happened with the "cascos blancos" prisoners in the fortaleza Ozama, that some were shot unmercifully maybe a purge or paredón similar to what happened in Cuba would have followed. But definitely the small numbers of far leftist and Castro admirers that were given arms could not have been a very influential decision maker option to steer us into a Castro type communism, and they would have been neutralized later. Edited on 2/4/2009 3:00 PM by generoso. "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad. |
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| #28 - Posted 4 February 2009, 7:14 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism Join date: May 2008 Member #: 731 Posts: 2064 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: chillaxin201 previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Go ahead, Ask. You might just get an apology from Carter II. But real Americans will never apologize. There is no reason to. http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/ If they did not impeach George W. Bush then they really won't impeach anyone. Your grasp of Civics is amazing. It's true, you know it is |
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| #29 - Posted 4 February 2009, 9:29 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 4448 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR Very pleased to have this discussion - it will be very educational for me. Fascist USA at that time nearly blew up Europe with A bombs in B52's in the Cuba episode so I am pleased to learn more. Really I try to be a good citizen of the World - a concept sadly lacking in US posters. S. Edited on 2/4/2009 9:30 PM by abc200. |
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| #30 - Posted 6 February 2009, 3:01 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1698 | RE: I want to write a letter to President Obama ,Ask for a Apology For U.S. intervention in DR generoso thanks for your insights on particular details, they are good threads to follow up on for those of us born long after and far from the scene of these events. As others mentioned already we typically just get the entrenched, monotone characterizations based on people's politics. |
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