| #61 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:19 PM | |
Location: Canada Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2195 Posts: 98 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: Kari416 previously said: La Praia, the one on Lopez De Vega, right?. ofcourse there is racism in the Dominican as there is everywhere else in every culture its always prefered to be the lighter of the bunch within the blacks and indians aswell! In dominican theres a certain kind of racism i believe because its ignorant more then others a black Dominican is not called el Negro but more el Moreno. Dominican racism isnt as blunt as in other countrys but is still there. like in Santo Dominigo in Ensache Naco the nightclub La Praia if ur too dark you cant get in??? in Dominican?? out of every country where most of the population is of a darker skin tone. id understand in argentina lol but Dominican! common now. thats ridiculous. You really don't want to know the tongue lashing (pela de lengua) que le di a un manager there for treating a black friend of mine as if he was a piece of gargage. I must say I had fun with that imbecile. The one and the same, Papaupa. There was an incident in 2006 in which a college student was killed when trying to enter to that place with a group of her friends. Apparently, one of the bouncers didn't take too kindly to one of the students' provoking gestures and opened fire on the group. The place was threatened to be closed by the courts, but the case would only end up in that, a simple threat, cuz' the owner is the son of one the big fish from the balaguerist era, and from whom I have heard have a lot of our politicos' dirty secrets under his sleeve, so no one on his right mind would dare to touch him. yaa i heard about that story so sad the girl was young and pretty also she had alot going for her but what really pissed me off in this issue was that the owner of the nightclub wouldnt comment on the situation that had taken place. how iresponsible is that. it just shows it doesnt matter how good an area is you dont know whats safe or not. that girl had nothing to do with anything but just be a friend of the guy that started bashing the place. |
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| #62 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:19 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1056 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: dreadlocks previously said: USADR, thanks for a well reasoned, even handed response. after reading the verbiage emanating from the miniscule brains of vacanos and Gizmo (if one could accuse them of having brains), it is refreshing to see sane responses from you and the poster before. try reading this article, in order to get some idea of what people see; http://www.nathanielturner.com/kiiniiburasalaam2.htm and, trust me, this is not the first time i have heard these things No problem. I call it as I see it, if I witnessed any of this I would most certainly make myself heard. I've done it here in the USA when whites feel like they can bash African Americans around me. I also hate how some immigrants move to some inner city ghetto and then stereotype an entire ethnic group based on a particualr segment of thier population that they happen to come in contact with. |
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| #63 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:24 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1056 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: dreadlocks previously said: USADR, thanks for a well reasoned, even handed response. after reading the verbiage emanating from the miniscule brains of vacanos and Gizmo (if one could accuse them of having brains), it is refreshing to see sane responses from you and the poster before. try reading this article, in order to get some idea of what people see; http://www.nathanielturner.com/kiiniiburasalaam2.htm and, trust me, this is not the first time i have heard these things While I agree with her in the sense that the instances of colorism suffered by her were atrocious, she would have been better served had she studied the dominican psyche and cultural nuances before coming to the country, cuz' like the Robinson chap's experience on Brazil told on the article that I cited before, she's committing the serious and grievous mistake of assuming that everyone over here (or in the rest of Latin America, for that matter) operates with the same "one-drop" lens that AA's operate with on the States. Here's an interestting discussion about her experience on the DR: http://thestudyofracialism.org/about402.html&highlight=kiiniibura%2Asalaam Personally, I think that she would have suffered less had she stayed on Santo Domingo instead of Santiago, cuz' the latter city tends to be more elitistic than the former, with all the classism and racism that this attitude carries with. Lautaro, Carefull with taking that story at face value. I do not question her experience, but I as well as many others have questioned her conclusion. This includes non-Dominican people.Just do a search on Frank Sweets site and you'll read why. |
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| #64 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 9082 | RE: Racism among Dominicans actually, Tupapaupa, i can imagine the exchange between yourself and the manager. LOL. look , it is only the severely self deluded, like vacanos and Gizmo, who do not see the realities. and thanks for the url, Mr Lautaro. i will read it as soon as i get a chance. and, as for vacanos and Gizmo: when people like Mr Lautaro put these links on the board, you should try to read them sometimes, and broaden your horizons. put down the nintendo for an hour or so per day, and READ! |
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| #65 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:28 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4956 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: Kari416 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: Kari416 previously said: La Praia, the one on Lopez De Vega, right?. ofcourse there is racism in the Dominican as there is everywhere else in every culture its always prefered to be the lighter of the bunch within the blacks and indians aswell! In dominican theres a certain kind of racism i believe because its ignorant more then others a black Dominican is not called el Negro but more el Moreno. Dominican racism isnt as blunt as in other countrys but is still there. like in Santo Dominigo in Ensache Naco the nightclub La Praia if ur too dark you cant get in??? in Dominican?? out of every country where most of the population is of a darker skin tone. id understand in argentina lol but Dominican! common now. thats ridiculous. You really don't want to know the tongue lashing (pela de lengua) que le di a un manager there for treating a black friend of mine as if he was a piece of gargage. I must say I had fun with that imbecile. The one and the same, Papaupa. There was an incident in 2006 in which a college student was killed when trying to enter to that place with a group of her friends. Apparently, one of the bouncers didn't take too kindly to one of the students' provoking gestures and opened fire on the group. The place was threatened to be closed by the courts, but the case would only end up in that, a simple threat, cuz' the owner is the son of one the big fish from the balaguerist era, and from whom I have heard have a lot of our politicos' dirty secrets under his sleeve, so no one on his right mind would dare to touch him. yaa i heard about that story so sad the girl was young and pretty also she had alot going for her but what really pissed me off in this issue was that the owner of the nightclub wouldnt comment on the situation that had taken place. how iresponsible is that. it just shows it doesnt matter how good an area is you dont know whats safe or not. that girl had nothing to do with anything but just be a friend of the guy that started bashing the place. If you want to know more about the history of that guy, just look for the book "Los que falsificaron la firma de Dios" by Viriato Sencion, in which the author tells about how that guy became the pioneer in electronic surveillance practices in the DR. It also tells about Balaguer's rise to political prominence. Edited on 2/25/2009 2:30 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #66 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:40 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4956 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: USADR previously said: Lautaro, Carefull with taking that story at face value. I do not question her experience, but I as well as many others have questioned her conclusion. This includes non-Dominican people.Just do a search on Frank Sweets site and you'll read why. I know it, USADR, that's why I say that she would have been better served had she made her stay on Santo Domingo, where people (from my personal experience) tends to be more tolerant about people with seemingly outlandish looks even more than aristocratic Santiago. The mistake that she's making is to assume that the thinking of Santiago is the one of the entire country, when a trip to the capital, to San Juan de la Maguana or to Higuey would have been enough to convince her about the folly of her assumption. Heck, if she wanted her stay to have an ethnic feel to it, she only had to stay at Samana, where the majority of the people are descendants of AA's and West Indians and some of them speak english with a XIX century feel to it. Edited on 2/25/2009 2:50 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #67 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:47 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 2701 | RE: Racism among Dominicans vacanos previously said: im not surprise this thread started by a afrocentrist racist ala al sharpton. is what they do to feel entitled. they are knocking down dominicans instigating that we are the most racist country in the world. they are linking color with country. their point is to embarrased us so we have no choice but to accept the haitian into our country and sbsorbed their misery. Carajito, take that "chip" out of your butt and stop sounding like a little kid whose candy was taken away from him. Do you know that when people start assuming is because they feel beaten?. Your hatred for blacks is making you assume I am black when in fact most probably black blood runs throught your veins. But like most Dominicans, you much rather say "I am mixed" or "no soy tan oscuro" than say "I have black in me". Chamaquito baboso. haitiano grajoso the only one talking about color and race on every post is you chupa cabra. you allways inciting race and color as your base point. retardao internate en un hospital para que te den ayuda que la nesesita rapido. as you stated "most dominicans" is all i need to know to see your true color you afrocentrist bastardo. JUST LIKE DREADLOCK, VOYER, CHRISTOPHE, ECT YOU PEOPLE CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY BLACK DOMINICAN JOINED FORCE WITH WHITE DOMINICAN AND MULATOS INSTEAD WITH THE EVIL HAITIAN DURING OUR INDEPENDENCE. ESOS LO ESTAN REMORDIENDO EL CORAZON BECAUSE ALL OF YOU AFROCENTRIST WHAT MATTER TO YOU ALL IS COLOR. YOU ARE THE AL SHARPTON OF THE FORUM AND DREADLOCK THE JEREMIAH WRIGHT. MIENTRAS NO SE ESCARMIENTE A LOS TRAIDORES COMO SE DEBE, LOS BUENOS Y VERDADEROS DOMINICANOS SERAN SIEMPRE VICTIMAS DE SUS MAQUINACIONES JUAN PABLO DUARTE |
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| #68 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:50 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4107 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Lautaro, Carefull with taking that story at face value. I do not question her experience, but I as well as many others have questioned her conclusion. This includes non-Dominican people.Just do a search on Frank Sweets site and you'll read why. I know it, USADR, that's why I say that she would have been better served had she made her stay on Santo Domingo, where people (from my personal experience) tends to be more tolerant about people with seemingly outlandish looks even more than aristochratic Santiago. The mistake that she's making is to assume that the thinking of Santiago is the one of the entire country, when a trip to the capital, to San Juan de la Maguana or to Higuey would have been enough to convince her about the folly of her assumption. Well, I've suffered discrimination in the capital. As a teenager on the occasions I would visit some freinds in the Ensanche Luperon some fools on almost every corner on my way to and from the home I was visitng would make a disparaging remark about "el blanquito".."que lo que hace ete mardito blanquito aqui", etc.., and they would be talking about me! Needless to say it was unwarranted. I was always just walking through minding my own business and unfortunately the perpetrators would always be in groups so there wasn't much one alone could do. Can't make this stuff up. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle |
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| #69 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:53 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 9082 | RE: Racism among Dominicans hmmmm....let me see.. the title of the thread is Racism among Dominicans...now where in that short title does the word "HAITIAN" appear? hmmm....i wonder why someone seems to believe that racism is the same as anti-haitianism? might someone be confused? might that be vacanos? |
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| #70 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:53 PM | |
Location: United States, "El Amanza GUAPOS, BIGOTS, TROLLS, LLORONAS y SELF-PROCLAIMED DOMINICAN "PATRIOTS" De Villa Duarte" Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 5493 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Dread, I know exactly what you are talking about. Quote: dreadlocks previously said: here is the deal, yumnuk. i have met numerous african american tourists who have told me that they were on their first visit to the DR, and that they would never return. why? because, they said, of the way they were treated by Dominicans. they observed that the locals fawned over the whites, while treating them like trash. i am not in a position to determine whether or not they were being overly sensitive, or overreacting. but i know for a fact that if i am in a line at the colmado, the owner will seek to put the white customers ahead of me. on one occasion, he even ordered the cashier to cancel my transaction, put my stuff to the side, and attend to the canadian lady who was behind me. in his mind, that is the pecking order. the white lady is first, and you are next. that , my friends, is the definition of racism. when i sit at a table with my white friends for dinner, the waitresses invariably try to hand the bill to one of them, but never to me. reflexively, they believe that they are the ones in the position to pay. it happens all the time. my white friends liked to eat at a certain steakhouse in the capital. the waiters treated them like kings when they went alone. when i went along, they would sit us at the worst table over by the kitchen, even if there was nobody else there. i stopped going to such places with them, just so they would not have to be inconvenienced like that. so, all who try to tell me that the DR does not have serious racial problems that need addressing, you are talking to the wrong guy. i have seen dark skinned Dominicans allow a white person to cut in front of them in a line at the bank, and they allowed it with a smile. i wonder if they would have been that pleasant and permissive had it been a person ten shades darker? Dread, I've noticed the mentality that you're refferring to long ago. I will share an anecdote that I posted long ago but will again since it jives whith what you just articulated. I have a cousin who is dark skinned, as a matter of fact I call him snoop dog because he resembles the rapper that goes by the same name. To make a long story short a classmate from college and I were both going to DR for vacation at the same time and she invited me to visit with her family on said trip. I arrived one evening at her home in an upscale section of Santiago with my cousin. My classmate was with her relatives, mostly females and light skinned like my former classmate and myself, when I arrived. Now get this: barring my classmate, no one knew my cousin or I that was there but each and every female there gave me a hello kiss on the cheek and my cousin, the snoop dog lookalike, got a very brusque handshake from the very same females. I mean, It's not an hour with the Klan but the implications were there. I took some black friends to the DR and all of them swore to never go back because of the way they were treated in some establishments. One of them even said that in the US blacks have come a long way and that there was no way in hell he was going to allow people from a third world country treat him with disrespect as if he were in Alabama in the 30's. Since Cibaeno shared an anecdote, let me share one myself. (One of many). A few years back, my best friend in the DR, who happens to be black, dresses very nice, is very educated and is very well off, a group of friends and I decided to go eat at the Sheraton in the Malecon. When we were done eating, my best friend asked for the check and guess what happened?. When the waiter, a light-skinned black (or moreno) came back with the bill, he went straight to me and gave it to me, even when I wasn't the one who asked for it!. When I asked why he did such a thing, his answer was that he thought I was the one paying. When I told him that usually the person asking for the check is the one paying, he just stood there as if I was talking to the wall. When I said to him "anything to do with him being black?", all he could come up with was "lo siento senor". The worse part was that when I asked my friend if he wasn't bothered, all he said was "hermano mio, just like the blackouts (apagones), it's not going to change so you have to get used to it because if you don't, you will live a very miserable life". ![]() I am The BOOO!!GEYMAN...Hide The Kids And Stop The VELORIO, The Dancing, The Singing, The Whining, The Nagging, The Complaining and LLORADERA....El LEONAAAAAAAAZO De Villa Duarte is Here!. |
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