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#1 - Posted 30 March 2009, 10:05 AM
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Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations?
The relations between the DR and the USA lately have been "cooling" and the spiraling downturn is worrying many political analysts and observers.
The DR was given the "cold shoulder" for the Obama inauguration, and did not attend.
There is no US ambassador nominee, no new suggestions or scuttlebutt of possible candidates for the job and the US embassy remains headless.
Recently DR president Leonel Fernandez was publicly shunned from a regional meeting with other Central American dignitaries.
The drug lord captain Quirino Paulino, who is currently in Federal witness protection, snitched on his accomplices but their identities still remain a mystery and no one knows who the other "20 big fish" politicians and military where and what their specific involvement was.
Many DR high officials and military have had their US visa taken away permanently.
President Fernandez is buddy buddies with Hugo Chavez and recently went to pay homage and render his affections, in well publicized visit to Fidel Castro, where the two praised each other.
The Inter American Development bank (IAD) claims that they do not have the funds to increase the regional banks capital, because the donor nations (The USA mainly) have been "stalling".
There is much pressure from DC for the legalization and documentation of Haitian illegals as DR citizens.

What is going on behind the curtains?

Edited on 3/30/2009 10:06 AM by generoso.
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#2 - Posted 30 March 2009, 10:24 AM
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RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations?
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The relations between the DR and the USA lately have been "cooling" and the spiraling downturn is worrying many political analysts and observers.
The DR was given the "cold shoulder" for the Obama inauguration, and did not attend.
There is no US ambassador nominee, no new suggestions or scuttlebutt of possible candidates for the job and the US embassy remains headless.
Recently DR president Leonel Fernandez was publicly shunned from a regional meeting with other Central American dignitaries.
The drug lord captain Quirino Paulino, who is currently in Federal witness protection, snitched on his accomplices but their identities still remain a mystery and no one knows who the other "20 big fish" politicians and military where and what their specific involvement was.
Many DR high officials and military have had their US visa taken away permanently.
President Fernandez is buddy buddies with Hugo Chavez and recently went to pay homage and render his affections, in well publicized visit to Fidel Castro, where the two praised each other.
The Inter American Development bank (IAD) claims that they do not have the funds to increase the regional banks capital, because the donor nations (The USA mainly) have been "stalling".
There is much pressure from DC for the legalization and documentation of Haitian illegals as DR citizens.

What is going on behind the curtains?




I'd tell you what is coming: Given that mr. Biden was part of the people responsible for the Kosovo mess, we should expect another similar disaster to be concocted against us with our migrational issues. Just imagine the market that would be opened for the weapons dealers of DC if the entire island were to fall on a situation of failed-stateism/civil war.
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#3 - Posted 30 March 2009, 10:34 AM
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Scary thought, but possible, when people are desperate with nothing to lose, crazy measures are
concocted by the greedy owners of the universe, and the arms merchants that need wars.
Let is just prepare for the worse and quit being so complacent and more patriotic and pro active.
There is a time for peace, and there is a time to stand up for our rights. We are being pushed and conned to integrate ourselves and "assimilate" with Haiti, as a solution to the US, Canada, France and England own illegal Haitian immigration problems, not ours.
Let France give French Guiana to the Haitians, or US part with Louisiana, or England settle them in Turks and Caicos.
The DR has had the Haitians in our back with a strangle hold for two hundred years, and the beggar failed state has only deterred our progress.

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#4 - Posted 30 March 2009, 11:45 AM
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Anybody who thought that the election of Obama would be good for the D.R. is a fool.

He is protectionist and pro-Haitian. Expect the haitian "Slavery" issue to come to the forefront of the administration's agenda later this year. The prep-work is being done as we post.

Kendrick Meek, a US representative from South Florida and a Obama suck up, has announced that he will run for the US Senate and Haiti will be high on his agenda as any Democrat politician from South Florida will do.
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Anybody who thought that the election of Obama would be good for the D.R. is a fool.

He is protectionist and pro-Haitian. Expect the haitian "Slavery" issue to come to the forefront of the administration's agenda later this year. The prep-work is being done as we post.

Kendrick Meek, a US representative from South Florida and a Obama suck up, has announced that he will run for the US Senate and Haiti will be high on his agenda as any Democrat politician from South Florida will do.


Well call me a Prophet!


I warned DT bloggers about this way before the election of Obama...

Now lets see all the political suckers on this forum who were fooled by his charms and background


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#6 - Posted 30 March 2009, 12:40 PM
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Anybody who thought that the election of Obama would be good for the D.R. is a fool.

He is protectionist and pro-Haitian. Expect the haitian "Slavery" issue to come to the forefront of the administration's agenda later this year. The prep-work is being done as we post.

Kendrick Meek, a US representative from South Florida and a Obama suck up, has announced that he will run for the US Senate and Haiti will be high on his agenda as any Democrat politician from South Florida will do.


As you know, since you were here, and you had direct knowledge, the tiny country of Dominican Republic stood up with their proud bare chest to the mighty USA in Apri 1965 when they invaded
the DR capital and country and Dominicans said "Basta Ya" ( No More) and made a stubborn stand against the mightiest and best equipped army in the world, stopping them in their tracks.
There is no question that the US could have wiped out and killed every soldier and civilian commando holding out in the tiny section of the city that the constitutionalist forces were holding.
But they didn't, and why did they stopped the planned offensive and city take over the 14 th, 15 th and 16 th of June?
Because of the Dominican resolve to fight to the death if they had to and not surrender. That was the slogan. And the constitutionalist forces would have also blown up all the banks and important businesses at the heart of the old city since they were all dynamited as a preventive measure.
Dominicans are a proud nation and we are a peace loving country as well, and God help those that try to harm us or invade us because we have a great resolve and determination on our side.

Edited on 3/30/2009 12:43 PM by generoso.
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#7 - Posted 30 March 2009, 2:25 PM
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I think all diplomatic relations have ups and downs, ebb and flow. It may be DR & Fernandez were owed a couple of snuffings for showing signs of independence in regards to regional relations. On that particular note we are not alone in Latin America, so no reason to dwell on it.

As regards this forum's trademark issue, H. immigration, is there any evidence besides your imaginations that you guys can bring of this alleged pressure from Washington DC, or of any intentions on the part of the Obama administration? All I see so far in terms of FACTS is anthonyC's info that a pro-Haitian legislator will run for Senate in Florida. Pardon me if this is not exactly enough to make my boots shake guys, I hope your fears have more sturdy base than that.

As far as I can see the US/DR relationship remains that of a hegemonic power with a semi-dependent small nation...just a bit more tense than usual because almost the entire array of Lat.Am. nations has taken a few steps distance from US as its attention and power have been redirected elsewhere in the last decade.

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A funny thing is I picked up some DR papers at the bodega last week. While everyone here was baselessly expressing paranoia about the toothless commission that visited from US, the paper (el Nacional, not exactly the highbrow paper) had an opinion that surely the visitors would see and report that Haitians are treated better here than back home...a bit optimistic surely, but the point is the paper withholds its negative judgment until they publish a report. That is, they wait for circumstances to match their fears instead of engaging in paranoia so abundant on our forum. If you guys are riht they would sell more papers being fearful demagogues, glad to see them take the high road...
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#9 - Posted 30 March 2009, 2:38 PM
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A funny thing is I picked up some DR papers at the bodega last week. While everyone here was baselessly expressing paranoia about the toothless commission that visited from US, the paper (el Nacional, not exactly the highbrow paper) had an opinion that surely the visitors would see and report that Haitians are treated better here than back home...a bit optimistic surely, but the point is the paper withholds its negative judgment until they publish a report. That is, they wait for circumstances to match their fears instead of engaging in paranoia so abundant on our forum. If you guys are riht they would sell more papers being fearful demagogues, glad to see them take the high road...


Not only are Haitians treated better here than back home, they are treated better than in all the other
Caribbean islands that they have migrated to, and they are offered, with no strings attached health facilities, transportation, education, security and housing without having to bring anything to the table.
This does not mean that by abusing the generous Dominican hospitality they can remain here illegally forever just mooching off the state and sending their savings back to Haiti, besides paying no taxes or making any contribution the the religion, language or customs.
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#10 - Posted 30 March 2009, 10:27 PM
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As you know, since you were here, and you had direct knowledge, the tiny country of Dominican Republic stood up with their proud bare chest to the mighty USA in Apri 1965 when they invaded
the DR capital and country and Dominicans said "Basta Ya" ( No More) and made a stubborn stand against the mightiest and best equipped army in the world, stopping them in their tracks.
There is no question that the US could have wiped out and killed every soldier and civilian commando holding out in the tiny section of the city that the constitutionalist forces were holding.
But they didn't, and why did they stopped the planned offensive and city take over the 14 th, 15 th and 16 th of June?
Because of the Dominican resolve to fight to the death if they had to and not surrender. That was the slogan. And the constitutionalist forces would have also blown up all the banks and important businesses at the heart of the old city since they were all dynamited as a preventive measure.
Dominicans are a proud nation and we are a peace loving country as well, and God help those that try to harm us or invade us because we have a great resolve and determination on our side.



First off i wasn't there during the revolt.

2nd If the Dominican were so resolute in fighting to the death how come there are so many of them.
The insurgency in the D.R. was put down with a rather small U.S. force fairly quickly. There is much to commend and be proud of the Dominican People but a warrior tradition is not one of them.
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