| #81 - Posted 17 October 2009, 12:46 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 1168 | RE: My first trip to the Dominican Republic Quote: Africana previously said: Hey looks like i am not the only one who agrees about Dominican perception of self... Written by: Jay, 31 Jul 2007 8:32 AM From: Florida If the child does not carry the father's DNA then the couple does have a legitimate case. However, one must be conscious of that fact that most Dominicans define themselves as white and they are offended if considered to be anything other than white no matter how dark the complexion of their skin. Moreover, most dark skinned Dominican women seek to have offspring with white or light skinned men. On the other hand, one must study the history of the island to know why this is the way they think. SHOOT I WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY THINK LIKE THAT???????? Wait i think i do... DOMINICANS THINKING... WHITE = GOOD BLACK = BAD.... MIXED WITH WHITE & BLACK = EQUALS HIDE THAT BLACK AND CLAIM THE WHITE Yeah, so what? The mother wants a white baby, whats the big deal? Then Michael Jackson must be a Dominican . Oh and by the way, I know it is hard for you, but try to suppress the black ghetto words please!!! Edited on 10/17/2009 12:50 AM by guillermone. |
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| #82 - Posted 17 October 2009, 1:01 AM | |
Location: United States, El Guapito Jarabacoence,Nariz de Guineo, a troll and lloronas nightmare, right hand of El Boogeyman! Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 1929 | RE: My first trip to the Dominican Republic the anger and the bitterness comes forth like a demon in heat. for anyone to have the additude about my country the way this african does says alot. if she actually visited the country she would not have such dogmatic ways of expressing things. go ahead everybody is racist and kkk. go right ahead but reverse racism exists also and that is greater among black americans than any type of racism in the republic. here we go again with a black individual so obsessed with dominicans like a dog in heat. |
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| #83 - Posted 17 October 2009, 1:05 AM | |
Location: United States, El Guapito Jarabacoence,Nariz de Guineo, a troll and lloronas nightmare, right hand of El Boogeyman! Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 1929 | RE: My first trip to the Dominican Republic Quote: Africana previously said: Guillermone, do i sense the racism seeping from your pores. We can take it there if you like... I guess all that platano has turned your brain to MOFONGO. If you want to know Y'all is not a ghetto thing it is a southern thing so next time ask before you assume... you are not helping your ignorant ass country with stupid comments like the one you made. I see you did not comment to the ending of the last posting i made either.. You know what i agree with you, you should cut down the length of your posting b/c must of it is just ramblings and i don't have the patients to read all that Irrelevant garbage. In regards to your half ass night club story you with holding information THAT IS PERTINENT makes you look less creditable. Just b/c you were able find one isolated instance of another form of discrimination, Does not compare to the hundreds of postings out there about the racism in your country. You just shined light to more faults your country has.... Oh you don't have to respond back to me b/c my original posting was not even made for you but to another person asking a questions. You decided to pipe in to the comment. You say i am clueless.. YOU ARE LOST. You are one individual in denial. At least i researched what i know, i come with facts and sites for my sources. You are going off of your so called experiences. Read up on it. That is the problem in your country now. No one wants to read and learn about where this is coming from instead you want to take offense b/c you have never experienced it. You can not say that there are not many ppl in your country that are racist just b/c it has never happened to you. There are plenty of cases that prove it has happened and plenty of testimonies as well. Not just from outsiders like you would like to believe but from your own people too. For you to try to say what another persons intentions are( "oh it is not racism, it is about social class".) is ludicrous. "Just b/c you were able find one isolated instance of another form of discrimination, Does not compare to the hundreds of postings out there about the racism in your country". you just listen to everything you hear out there? isn't that what you put? why don't you learn a little bit about dominican history so you can have a better understanding of why things are the way they are. your ranting and raving will never give you understanding. receive the light and get out of your clock of darkness and research dominican haitian history. The twenty two year Haitian occupation that followed is recalled by Dominicans as a period of brutal military rule, though the reality is more complex. It led to large-scale land expropriations and failed efforts to force production of export crops, impose military services, restrict the use of the Spanish language, and eliminate traditional customs such as cockfighting. It reinforced Dominicans' perceptions of themselves as different from Haitians in "language, race, religion and domestic customs.Haiti's constitution forbade whites from owning land, and the major landowning families were forcibly deprived of their properties. Most emigrated to Cuba, Puerto Rico or Gran Colombia, usually with the encouragement of Haitian officials, who acquired their lands. The Haitians, who associated the Roman Catholic Church with the French slave-masters who had exploited them before independence, confiscated all church property, deported all foreign clergy, and severed the ties of the remaining clergy to the Vatican. Santo Domingo’s university, the oldest in the Western Hemisphere, lacking both students and teachers, closed down. In order to receive diplomatic recognition from France, Haiti was forced to pay an indemnity of 150 million francs to the former French colonists, which was subsequently lowered to 60 million francs, and Haiti imposed heavy taxes on the eastern part of the island. Since Haiti was unable to adequately provision its army, the occupying forces largely survived by commandeering or confiscating food and supplies at gunpoint. Attempts to redistribute land conflicted with the system of communal land tenure (terrenos comuneros), which had arisen with the ranching economy, and newly emancipated slaves resented being forced to grow cash crops under Boyer's Code Rural. In rural areas, the Haitian administration was usually too inefficient to enforce its own laws. It was in the city of Santo Domingo that the effects of the occupation were most acutely felt, and it was there that the movement for independence originated. Edited on 10/17/2009 1:09 AM by MIRABUENO. |
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| #84 - Posted 17 October 2009, 1:21 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 1168 | RE: My first trip to the Dominican Republic Quote: Africana previously said: No, Guillemot Michel Jackson had a skin condition.. Read up before you comment please. Yes I know, it called Vertiligo. I was talking about Micheal's preference for white children. Remember he has genetically selected his kids to be all white. Bid deal. It does not mean he hated black people or that he was racist about his own identity. Edited on 10/17/2009 1:22 AM by guillermone. |
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| #85 - Posted 17 October 2009, 1:25 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 1168 | RE: My first trip to the Dominican Republic Quote: Africana previously said: Save the Haitian argument for a Haitian. I don't give shit about what happened between DOMINICANS & HAITIANS. ONCE AGAIN THE DOMINICANS RAISE UP WITH THERE HAITIANS TALK. I AM TALKING ABOUT DOMINICANS FROM THE ISLAND AND THE ONE THAT COME HERE FROM THE ISLANDS AND THERE RACIST BELIEFS AND HATRED FOR BLACKS AND AFRICANS THAT ARE NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAITIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS HOW YOU KNOW IT IS A RACIAL AND NOT SOCIAL ISSUE. Look, I am Dominican period and it does not matter what color, race or what I look like. In fact my non-white complexion is an issue of praise and not something of shame. Now Africa, I insist you have been heavily influenced by ideas of US racism and prejudice. You need to get away from that, but you keep mixing it up. While, I do agree that in the DR “there is a predominant preference for white skin and in some families to give favoritism to lightest of the children.” This has less to do with racism, but more to do with contemporary concepts of beauty. How so? Compare it to tall vs. short, long hair vs. short, fat vs. slender, brown eyes vs. blue, wavy hair vs. straight, some guys prefer asian girls vs. european. Historically, standards of beauty change over time and if Dominicans appear to display what you may interpret as racist, it is done unconsciously and not because of racist hate-period Edited on 10/17/2009 1:26 AM by guillermone. |
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| #86 - Posted 17 October 2009, 1:37 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 1168 | RE: My first trip to the Dominican Republic Quote: Africana previously said: Guillermone, do i sense the racism seeping from your pores. We can take it there if you like... I guess all that platano has turned your brain to MOFONGO. If you want to know Y'all is not a ghetto thing it is a southern thing so next time ask before you assume... you are not helping your ignorant ass country with stupid comments like the one you made. I see you did not comment to the ending of the last posting i made either.. You know what i agree with you, you should cut down the length of your posting b/c must of it is just ramblings and i don't have the patients to read all that Irrelevant garbage. In regards to your half ass night club story you with holding information THAT IS PERTINENT makes you look less creditable. Just b/c you were able find one isolated instance of another form of discrimination, Does not compare to the hundreds of postings out there about the racism in your country. You just shined light to more faults your country has.... Oh you don't have to respond back to me b/c my original posting was not even made for you but to another person asking a questions. You decided to pipe in to the comment. You say i am clueless.. YOU ARE LOST. You are one individual in denial. At least i researched what i know, i come with facts and sites for my sources. You are going off of your so called experiences. Read up on it. That is the problem in your country now. No one wants to read and learn about where this is coming from instead you want to take offense b/c you have never experienced it. You can not say that there are not many ppl in your country that are racist just b/c it has never happened to you. There are plenty of cases that prove it has happened and plenty of testimonies as well. Not just from outsiders like you would like to believe but from your own people too. For you to try to say what another persons intentions are( "oh it is not racism, it is about social class".) is ludicrous. Why do dominicans run from being black. Why people falsely think we are ashamed of the true mix of cultures which makes us what we are" You have no explanation because that "shame" that you say we have about being black is your own personal interpretation; and belief. It is YOU who thinks that, not us. This is not about racial pride, that is a US Americans thing, created to help the US black overcome the pain and trauma suffered as victims of slavery, it was a way to rid feelings of inadequacy the white slave master imposed on the blacks, but that you want to force upon Dominicans which do not identify with the suffering of Americans slavery, racism and segregation. Keep those ideas in the US do not import them to the Dominican Republic. We did not suffer any of those things to make us want to chant: 'SAY IT LOUD, I'M BLACK AND I AM PROUD." You say that in the DR and we won't know what the hell you are talking about. Why because there is no need for it. |
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| #87 - Posted 17 October 2009, 1:39 AM | |
Location: United States, El Guapito Jarabacoence,Nariz de Guineo, a troll and lloronas nightmare, right hand of El Boogeyman! Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 1929 | RE: My first trip to the Dominican Republic Quote: Africana previously said: Save the Haitian argument for a Haitian. I don't give shit about what happened between DOMINICANS & HAITIANS. ONCE AGAIN THE DOMINICANS RAISE UP WITH THERE HAITIANS TALK. I AM TALKING ABOUT DOMINICANS FROM THE ISLAND AND THE ONE THAT COME HERE FROM THE ISLANDS AND THERE RACIST BELIEFS AND HATRED FOR BLACKS AND AFRICANS THAT ARE NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAITIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS HOW YOU KNOW IT IS A RACIAL AND NOT SOCIAL ISSUE. you are a liar and the truth is not in you and you say i do not have brains. you mentioned that we were obsessed with haitians you liar. |
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| #88 - Posted 17 October 2009, 1:45 AM | |
Location: United States, El Guapito Jarabacoence,Nariz de Guineo, a troll and lloronas nightmare, right hand of El Boogeyman! Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 1929 | RE: Why blacks want dominicans to be black!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote: Africana previously said: Mira Shit for brains.. I mean MiraBueno.. Why are you writing in english you are not american. write what you were trying to say in spanish b/c between your broken english and your choice of words i could not understand a word you typed. Ask one of your white american friends to help you. stick to the subject and stop being so weak kneed with your tacky comment. you have encroached a dominican website. i suggest you be a little more tacktful with your approach because their are many millitant dominicans that have a love for their country on this forum that are less patient than i am and if what i say bothers you now i would hate to see what would happen with another person that would deal with you without mercy. |
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| #89 - Posted 17 October 2009, 1:46 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 1168 | RE: My first trip to the Dominican Republic Quote: Africana previously said: Guillermone, FINALLY WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE.......... The concept of blackness which you want Dominicans to share and celebrate is strictly a US American idea bought about as a consequence of US slavery, segregation, institutional discrimination or just plain racist hate. This ideology was created to establish a sense of brotherhood and solidarity among American blacks. However, since the birth of the Republic, Dominicans never experienced anywhere near such pain and hurt that the US blacks suffered due to race. Therefore you can not expect Dominicans to separate or isolate their blackness and boast African pride, which is something very much, "shaped by African Ame culture." Just because Dominicans do not boast or accentuate that part of their identity does not mean that they deny that portion of their racial make-up. |
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| #90 - Posted 17 October 2009, 1:48 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 1168 | RE: My first trip to the Dominican Republic But what is true is that our concept of race is different from yours and is rather complex and unless you are born and raised the DR is hard for you to fully grasp it. It's not the same or sufficient to go on vacation to DR every so often to understand our racial identity, you must live it, in this sense it makes you an outsider. But I will elaborate. If Dominicans down play Negroid characteristics in the outer appearance it is strictly due to reasons of esthetics and not because we refuse to accept the black component of our racial make-up. Let me give you an example: In China, India, and Japan including Thailand, very white pale skin symbolizes and defines the contemporary but temporary ideals of beauty. In contrast, the fair skin Europeans regularly sunbathe, strive to obtain the darkest tan possible and will do whatever it takes to darken their skin. These behaviors do not represent in any way, shape or form that they refuse to be Asians or that Europeans deny their Caucasian race In like manner Dominicans, only emulate the present day European definition of beauty because that is what society dictates and is further motivated by the persuasive power of millions in advertising and marketing dollars at work and not because we are ashamed of our African ancestry. Edited on 10/17/2009 1:51 AM by guillermone. |
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