Santo Domingo, - The U.S. embassy banned its employees from visiting a discothèque in the Dominican capital after to some of these were denied entry for being black.
In a statement, the U.S. embassy said the discothèque Tonic, located in an exclusive zone of Santo Domingo, denied entry to several of its Afro-American employees on January 12. "The facts show that the reason to refuse admitting these people was due to racial discrimination."
Though acknowledging that there’s racial discrimination in the entire world including the United States, it said it’s important to confront that situation “where ever it is."
It’s the second time in less than one a year that the U.S. embassy prohibits its employees from visiting a Dominican disco over the same issue.
In 2005 then commercial attaché Lisa Kubiske met with the managers of different local night clubs to seek a change in the admission policy of those businesses, "after the repeated negativity" to allow entry to the embassy’s Afro-American employees.
Written by: Lautaro, 31 Jan 2008 11:50 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
This is simply ridiculous, a country where the majority of the population is mixed/black allowing "businesses" like this to exist. No wonder the international community is frowning at us. Besides, if the owners of these places only want the "blanquitos" to go there, why don't they make their businesses into membership clubs like the high society golf places like Metro Country Club and the like, instead of risking their semi-public places to be covered in shame like that?
From: United States
Mr Latauro, not only is the world frowning upon us, it is also laughing at us concurrently. this is the kind of behaviour one would expect in socially uncivilised countries of europe, where racism is a badge of honor. but in a country in the west indies, with the history and racial mix that it possesses, it is beyond pitiful that this situation continues without governmental intervention. even in the united states, with its history of racism, such behaviour would be met with legal sanctions from the municipality. this is a public enterprise, and should not retain the right to choose its clientele based on race, gender, ethnicity or whatever other descriptive characteristics it chooses.if it seeks to do so, it should be chartered as a private club. but, unfortunately, this country is positively laden with these racist institutions. i am entirely bemused that the erudite and progressive president has not said a word on this issue.it shows that he either supports their right to be
From: United States
racists, or that he is at their mercy and control. you can rest assured that this is not going to go unnoticed by groups in the united states such as the congressional black caucus. when the republicans get booted out of office and democrats contol the usa administration, the backlash against the dr will kick in with dramatic effect. it is hard to imagine this behaviour in a 21st century society. i wonder if all the posters in this column who celebrate the purported progress of the dr consider this another benchmark of advancement!!
From: United States
to the poster from Nigeria; i am sure that there are kind souls who would be inclined to help you, but the reputation of your country has been sullied by your countrymen, who have made a burgeoning enterprise out of scams and rip-offs. even if you are a well meaning, honest person, the damage done to people´s bank accounts by nigerians is legendary. good luck; i wish you well.
Written by: Lautaro, 31 Jan 2008 12:24 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Then again, one should not be surprised for situations like this to be our everyday bread, mr. dreadlocks, considering that on this country every single chap/gal who have a few pesos to his/her name feels like a feudal lord/lady who can write and impart his/her own law.
Written by: Bizc8, 31 Jan 2008 12:27 PM
From: United States
You know, I wonder if they'd allow Leonel Fernandez in... I mean, after all, he IS non-white.
Written by: CJnNJ, 31 Jan 2008 12:28 PM
From: United States
This nonsense would quickly end if Leonel and his cronies said enough is enough. C'mon Leonel, do the right thing here!
Written by: Bizc8, 31 Jan 2008 12:37 PM
From: United States
DR has laws in place penalizing discrimination on the basis of race already. Our problem lies in the enforcement of those laws. Too many financial interests involved. It's as the saying goes: money talks, BS walks! I wonder who owns these establishments.
Why won't they AT THE VERY LEAST publish their names on every local newspaper?
From: United States
to Bizc8; great question regarding ownership. a few years ago i was made aware of a similar situation in the capital, wherein some ballplayers , Pedro Guerrero included, almost tore up a club because they were denied entry because of their colour. the club was purportedly owned by an Italian. this disturbs me even more. home bred racism is one thing, but when european immigrants choose to set up businesses in this country and apply racist criteria for admission and service, it bothers me more. i see the treatment people of color receive in europe; brazilian and african football players having to suffer monkey sounds and having bananas thrown at them in such bastions of civilisation and human dignity as germany, italy and spain. if they want to be the racists they are in their countries, let them go ahead. i just don´t think a government should allow or enable these people to export their tendencies to our shores!!
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
This is just plain digusting. In the year 2008 people are still being refused inside public establishment because of their skin color?
From: United States
yes Jemesouviens 1804; the misfortune of this whole affair is that it is more prevalent in the Dominican Republic than you know. and there is no end to it, as far as i see. with the fire sale of dominican real estate to europeans, the country is beginning to become recolonised. this value system, in which white is right, is just being reinforced. whenever i am in the DR, i watch the foreigners of caucasian persuasion glaring at the locals with countenances twisted with amused contempt and disdain. the locals respond by bowing and scraping, relegating people who look like themselves to secondary status. that is why dominican store owners will run to the attention of white customers, letting locals and other people of color wait ¨their turn¨.it is pathetic, but, alas, part of the social fabric
Written by: framire3, 31 Jan 2008 3:02 PM
From: United States
this is shame for my country and my peoples. after living in usa for many years and telling to all blanco!!! that those behavious are not happen in my country. this a slap in my face. shame on you Leonel Fernadez to aloud this situiation to hapenn?
Written by: Jander, 31 Jan 2008 3:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Don't they know they have to slde the doorman RD 500.00 ,
Just kidding this so wrong and so typical here..
It's not because theya re black it is because they aren't rich, they won't deny famous baseball stars or local celbrities nor will they not allow my fairly dark skinned wife, as long as she is with me.
Thats the reality
Written by: Belial, 31 Jan 2008 3:13 PM
From: United States, Texas
If the clubs dishonor black US embassy employees, then the clubs most likely treat black US citizens who are not embassy employees in this humiliating manner.
If the clubs dishonors black US citizens in a racially exclusivist manner, then the clubs most likely treat black DR citizens ... most of the DR population ... in ths same esteem-busting manner.
If so, the clubs most likely also treat black Caribbeans who are not DR citizens in this manner.
We would all suffer terribly if fires tragically broke out at the racist-infested "exclusive clubs," as the racists "dance the night away."
One thing is for sure, the humiliated blacks won't be burnt since the exclusive clubs exclude them.
This arrogance at the clubs sounds more like the conceit of race chauvinist sector of the DR largely mulatto bourgeoisie than the vanity of the US imperialists in Santo Domingo, who, of course, have a long history of race chauvinism.
Here, the rich DR mulattoes ape the GOPs.
Written by: Jander, 31 Jan 2008 3:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
By the way Dreadlocks,
Some of what you say is right about the attention going to the whites but thats becuase they know they can charge more and we will pay, plus we tip and treat people well (Americans)
I am a legal resident been here for 14 years off and on and still am the one that kids coming running to for a handout. I don't ask for this but they know their own people will not give them anything. It is a sad situation and has not changed in the 14 years I have been here.
Just today I went to buy some fruit and asked the price the vendor tried to charge me 5 times more for the same banana he just sold the Domincan in front of me for 2 pesos..
This is life, but I am not complaining and i speak Spanish fluently which helps a lot.
Some Europeans treat people very bad and so do Dominicans Americans thse are just bad people but not all of us are bad..
From: United States, Long island, NY
To everybody here: there is a majority of clubs in the US, to make an example let's
say Club X c/o Y (there is lots of exclusive clubs in Miami, FL) or LA that to get inside
the club You have somebody in charge that if He or She feels You are not entitled to
enter (PLAIN AND SIMPLE) Your or anybody else will no go inside this club.
There is many clubs like that in the US where anybody would be denied the entry
for whatever reasons They want to (Isn't this DISCRIMINATION) too.
I'm already TIRED with the same Song about being discriminattion (NOT ONLY BLACKS)
(WHITE PEOPLE TOO) would be discriminated too.
Americans are playing double standard here with this idiotic story, like wise people say
"Lead by example"
This imperialistic thinking and pushing us to comply with their needs is BIG BS.
From: United States
I am not a fan of Leonel, but i don't think we should all blame him for what happenned in that club. I don't know how to put it, but this is what happens when a country wants to cater to a group of people. At this present time, DR wants to cater to europeans. Dominican mentality as a whole feel that they are more tied to europeans as opposed to their obvious african ancestry. To break that vicious cycle, would probably mean a bold leader with set thoughts on breaking centuries old mentality. But to do that, means growing balls and telling the europeans to respect the sons and daughters of the land. Yet honestly, i dont think that is going to happen with the idea that the white man is always right mentality. O Fidel Castro, people may hate you, but i dare a black person to be denied entrance to a club in havana. Communism may not be perfect, but there are some good things people can learn from the cuban government
Written by: lovingit, 31 Jan 2008 3:50 PM
From: United States, Delaware
What these clubs do is hide behind their "dress codes" Coming from a mixed background as most Dominicans, have lived how these "dress codes". See my darker cousins that have money, clean cut, preppy look, got off the benz, are allowed right in, but those that come from the country "El campo" who have cheaper clothing, and show that humblesness on their face, are turned away.. THIS MAKES ME SO F&%CKING mad, I even had an embarrasing experience with some black friends that went down with me from the US. They had nice expensive clothing, but they ported Afro-Styles like dreads, afros, and urban styles such as semi-baggy pants, etc. These clubs, use a "dress code" that goes beyond dress, not solely pants and shoes or dresses, they include hairstyle, how up to date with fashion you are, etc ,etc ,etc.. which is a whole lot of BULL, cause if you are black and want to wear an afro or dreads, that is what you as a human being identify yourself as. cont...
Written by: ny4life, 31 Jan 2008 3:50 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
This saddening. But yes DR in a sense is being re-colonized. We do need a leader to have balls and put an end to this mentality where we cater to others and don't care for ourselves.
From: United States
To JR
Have you been to Miami or Las Vegas? I don't think you have a good example on your hands, i just went to those places and i can say your example isn't entirely true. It is not based on color, its about how many girls you have with you and how much money you got in your pockets. I went to PRIVE and MANSION clubs in Miami, which are upscale and hard to get into. I can tell you, that its hard to get in the club, but when you get inside you see a rainbow of different people. Therefore, your club example isn't supporting why racism is found in a predominantly black/mullato country. I am almost certain there is a basis to the findings of the US embassy. By the way, don't compare a third world country where the majority of the population is colored (mullatos/blacks) to US clubs. Especially when the country u are comparing it to has a population where the majority is WHITE, not mullato or black. Hope you see where im coming from, not trying to bash you or anything.
Written by: lovingit, 31 Jan 2008 3:52 PM
From: United States, Delaware
with and that kind of BS should not be included in a FREAKING "dress code" which is obviously planned to keep African roots and styles out. But, this things happen in the US too. I had an issue in a Portuguese owned club in Newark, NJ, where one of my cousins was denied entry cause he was wearing sneakers.. yet, whites (including hispanic, Portuguese and other whites) that were going in with sneakers got in without a problem. WHY?!!!!
From: United States
To Anonymous coward --
IT DOES HAPPEN IN THE US!!
Crawl from under that rock you been sleeping under !!!
From: United States
To Rodgrito
Don't go and start name calling, can you please name me clubs where a black or colored person is barred from going to in the US. Name me just one club that is still operating, and outlaws black people. I bet there's a few in the DR, but not in the US. Racism exists in the US, but its more latent my dude, racism is found in corporate america, neighborhoods, etc. But the white man tries very hard to hide their racism, they wont tell a black man that he can't get in a club, they will just change the dress code, play different music, or resort to other ways to minimize the black population. The real coward isn't me, its the you and the dominican government letting the European powers take over the country. I dunno about you, but it seems like history is repeating itself, DR is giving back its land to the European powers. A real coward is a person who lets their house be taken over by a foreigner. Unless you can prove me otherwise, i suggest you think before you talk
From: United States
P.S. Rodgrigito
I have no problem with you, but don't go name calling if you don't kno where im coming from. I put money, that a club that has been cited twice, wouldn't be operating in the US if it hit the media. Racism exists in the US, but let us not forget that the clubs action wouldn't be tolerated if it was brought to the attention of the government. I don't think European powers should be blamed as much, i think the dominican government and people should be blamed. these things can't happen in Cuba, Jamaica, Bermuda, and other islands with sizeable colored population. At the end of the day, europeans are allowed to do as much as dominicans allow them to do. You may not agree, but respect people's opinion.
From: United States, Long island, NY
To anonymous: what do you mean by dominican goverment and PEOPLE???
From: Dominican Republic
The dominican constitution does not condemn any club from imposing requirements to people who want to join or enjoy the services provided by any club.
ART. 100.- La República condena todo privilegio y toda situación que tienda a quebrantar la igualdad de todos los dominicanos, entre los cuales no deben contar otras diferencias que las que resulten de los talentos o de las virtudes y en consecuencia, ninguna entidad de la República podrá conceder títulos de nobleza ni distinciones hereditarias.
From: Dominican Republic
The US is the king in discrimination, racism, and inequality! The violator (The US) does not have the right to judge others in these area. Crying racism is simply a pawn for the US to pressure and get desired or favorable results in other areas!
By the way, DR has one of the most mixed population in the world (73 % mulato, 16 % white, and 11 % Negroid). It is neither the government nor the society fault that some business conduct their business that uses facial and physical appearance to filter those who will not be render services! BLAME IT ON CAPITALISM! Business sometimes behave in ways that contradicts the values and spirit of the DR constitution.
From: United States
Listen "Anonymous " .... US Black Celebrities (and Brown too) HAVE experienced it in the US!! and it happens in clubs at all levels of society, golf clubs, etc... Andover, Ma for example discrimination on all levels; social-economic, racial, etc...
From genocide to racism, discrimination remains with us today -- only that it has taken on a different more subtle form; sarcasm, tone of voice, expressions used... I have experienced it while at the city hall, I HAVE SEEN IT BEING PLAYED OUT IN FROM OF MY EYES while waiting in line at the RMV.. -- you're judged simply be the way you look but once you demonstrate to be articulate - they respect you and even then they play the "you arent an american" card ... its pathetic and people like you are the ones who support this behavior by blaming economics, the government, locals and so forth.. it happens as direct result from outside influences.. the government is too busy stealing from public coffers to worry about social issues..
From: United States
please dont interpret this as an attack towards you.. but stop putting a spin on racism cause it comes and is expressed in various forms. And to answer your question about an specific club, look no further than RUMOR in Boston; look no further than Nas' club incident last year; hmmm let me see; i can come up with some more if you will like.. listen , my point is its here to stay (R'sm that is) but nonetheless we have made progress and will get better over time.. Boston is often called "Up South" by some, but after being part of this city for nearly 20 yrs , knowing about its history and how far they have come (and having traveled around a bit ) I can honestly say we see more UNITY today than never seen before ;; inter-racial marriages are at a all time high ;;
In BOSTON, kind souls far outweigh those of bigots .. and soon a law will be passed to give undocumented-students in-state tution..racists in the legislature are making it an "ILLEGAL" issue when clearly it's an EDUCATION issu
From: United States
> OlaVerde -- " BLAME IT ON CAPITALISM! "
not exactly. capitalism is pretty much about bottom line without regard for social, racial, environmental ramifications .. so it is in their best interest (businesses') to do business with all, although you could say that some businesse may cater to a certain social group (upper-class) thus increasing they profits ... but largely capitalism is basically on volume and market share -- the more the merrier.. so that would imply that racism would result directly from certain emigrants bringing their racist ways from outside into DR's society.. as has been aforementioned by others here rather eloquently.. ;-P
Written by: wents22, 1 Feb 2008 12:50 AM
From: United States
Race in the Dominican Republic differs from people to people just like the rest of Latin America. Even though 73 % of the population is mixed, they are mostly mulatto with some indigenous taino, 16 % is white, and 11 % black (mostly haitians). There are also other ethnic groups living in DR, like germans, italians, french, jews and americans. There is also a presence of chinese and japanese.
Dominicans see skin color as a definite line between upper and lower class. Most light skinned Dominicans refer to themselves as white, showing more European features than other ones (just like the rest of Latin America).All you need to do to see the class differential is to take a drive through the country or cities. Luxury cars and shopping malls contrast with dirt roads and poor wages. The whiter the skin, the highest the class, just like the majority of light skin people dominates the government in almost every country.
From: United States
Wohhh guys, stop it !!! This do happen in the U.S, and we all knows that!!. And by the way, about the U.S Embassy complaining about there black employees not allow to enter a Night Club, What about a US citizen wanning to enter to the consular building with proper ID and be turn around, that do really happen and I can honor that!!!!! Anyway, I though that because security reasons things are very tight these days, so why these employees go out at night to party anyway. It seems to me that these folks down there think they can get it both ways, but when US citizens needs them, they back away from us, and I have a lot of reasons to say that because life has tought me that, and experienced personnaly!!!
They should be putting more attention to the treatment and services they provide to U.S citizens when we required so, and not to hang the phone when we call there. I hope Embassador Fannin put some order down there, and remain his staff, that beside the business of our nation, they shoul
From: United States
be putting attention to citizens security and officials needs. Legally they can reserve your admission, because that happens in colleges, job, exclusive VIP clubs in the US. So stop the rethoric, concentrate in what your assigned to do, and stop taking your job from granted, if you work there or your a family member, stay away from street problems. I believe that someone should be investigating this incident, if you still has your job, your lucky son, because If i was in charge I will fire you on the spot. You don't go to a host country and ***** about if they're rascist or not, thats not our duty, and somebody its not putting attention down there to their staff. So stop crying and justify your salary, and stop winning!!!!!!!!!!!!
Citizens Watchgroup
Written by: Duane, 1 Feb 2008 5:42 AM
From: United Kingdom
Rodrigito - No point blaming it on Europeans. Its happening in the DR. I live in Europe, and I couldn't find a club that would not allow entrance because someone was black. Wake up.
In fact most guys Dj'ing in the clubs will be Black. I've been many times to various countries in Europe and to DR extensively, my wife is a Black Dominicana. Her skin colour has only ever been raised or made an issue of in DR. It seems part of Dominican culture to care about skin colour, here in Britain, or France, Italy and the other European places we've been to no one gives a damn.
Your president wants to find his balls and just close these places down, not after an inquest or hearing or any of that shit, just immediately. Its only communicating to the rest of the world that the place is medieval and run by racist pigs.
Written by: Escott, 1 Feb 2008 10:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
If you are white and get hit in the back of your car by a unlicensed and uninsured motorcycle you will not only have to pay your own damages but you will have to pay for the damages of the driver of the bike that hit you.
Uncivilized is what comes to mind. I think this is one of the reasons there are so many Dominicans in US jails.
This country surely needs education more than a Metro and this is just another good example of how uncivilized this country is.
From: United States, Manhattan, New York City
Hmmmm....so if I (Hershey chocolate complexion) went to this club with Vlad Guerrero (black Dominican), Alfonso Soriano (black Dominican), Manny Ramirez (black Dominican) and Hanley Ramirez (black Dominican), there may be some drama at the front door?
::shaking my head::
Written by: Belial, 1 Feb 2008 12:57 PM
From: United States, Texas
These filthy establishments operated largely for the entertainment of the mulatto and highly caucasianated DR bourgeoisie and for the upper stratum of the DR middle class should be closed down or burned down.
These closings or fires will greatly promote tourism.
Plus, the closings or the fires will to some degree clean up the environment.
Written by: zak325, 1 Feb 2008 2:07 PM
From: United States
While I agree that racial discrimination still continues in the U.S., it is espicially dissapointing to see it happening in a country largely populated by people of color (who ought to know better).
Written by: CJnNJ, 1 Feb 2008 4:03 PM
From: United States
Fascinating that this particular article generates so many responses in contrast to other articles in DT.
Clearly, it's time for the Dominican government to step in and end this racial discrimination. At least address it!!
Yes, may of the establishments are owned by Europeans. And it does appear that DR is becoming recolonized by-mostly- Europeans, their money and all that (and who) it buys.
But many Dominicans treat their darker skinned brothers and sisters just as bad.
I say stop this now, before it's too late.
CJ
From: United States
Recolonized....or DR is being sold to the highest outside bitters?
Oh..who do you think will be able to afford living in all the new Residential Towers being built in Santo Domingo?
And just wait in till they start classifying who can buy an apartment in the new Building.
Written by: CJnNJ, 1 Feb 2008 5:38 PM
From: United States
In that case DR will become like the US southern states before the civil rights movement. Jim Crow defacto segregation. I really hope that doesn't come to be. What's next.. separate drinking fountains? Will the subway cars be divided by skin color?
That's what DR needs.. a civil rights movement!!
CJ
From: United States
Remebering History, wasn't for two votes on the US congress that we decided not to buy the Hispaniola Island from Spain with all their slaves on it? Thank god, at least two congressman did some deep thinking, the general idea of the adquision was to send US slaves down there........ they don't teach that in you Dominican history text books, thats a fact, your Spanish owners where trying to sell you out, and your benefactor King Carlos of Spain still doing what he wants with the island, Cap Cana, Plan Renove and many others. "One Island, One country"
Written by: Lautaro, 1 Feb 2008 7:56 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
That's a very simplistic approach, mr. Perception, considering that there isn't one but TWO languages over here. It's not bad to dream from time to time, but being obsessed with a chimera, as you have been doing as of lately, simply would not do, because it can leave you open to many dissapointments specially if reality refuses to comply with your wishes.
Written by: davinci, 1 Feb 2008 8:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The truth is: There is an underground group of racist dominicans running most of the so-called "exclusive" places. Those are the owners of the DR.
From: United States
to all the posters who assert that things are the same in the USA; i defy anyone to tell me the name of one major disco that rejects the admission of people based on color! they may try it once, but i guarantee you that they will be bankrupt by the time some ACLU trial lawyer gets their hands on them. this latest episode is just one in a long list of denials of entry to dark skinned people by dominican clubs. as someone astutely observed, such incidents could never happen in st croix, trinidad, jamaica, etc. these countries are not populated by people who have no sense of racial identity. and since this is the second recent incident involving united states consular employees, it takes on an international dimension.had this been a favorable treaty being signed with the usa, Leonel would be front and center in the media spotlight, cheerfully accepting the accolades. but since it has negative connotations, he remains conspicuous by his silence. he should set the moral tone by holding
From: United States
a televised press conference to denounce such stone age behavior. but, as i said before, he is beholden to the racist businessmen, and would rather not stir up a hornet´s nest. i do not blame him for the racist conditions and eventualities; i blame him for his acquiescence and silence. and to those who believe that there would be no denial of ballplayers; it happened before, in the case of pedro guerrero and Bella Bleu disco. and finally, to Undercover i say that i am in full agreement with your observation that the dr is being sold to the highest bidder. little by little, the prime lands are all being sold to any foreigner with a few spare pesos. gated communities are springing up everywhere, and with the passage of time, dominicans will be watching the ballgame from the bleachers, while the euros and north americans occupy the owners´ suites!!
From: Canada, Edmonton, Alberta Canada
Racisizm is a sad display of human ignorance, born not of personal experiance but, of ignorant conformity.
If a man be angered or hurt by one man, let him not be angry at that man's wife, mother or child.
He who has harmed me, losses the honor of accompanying his brother and I.
Where does raciszm get it's fuel?
I find it ironic that the country represenatives of the tmost racist people I have ever visited, has the odasity to publicly admit such a statement.
From: Canada, Edmonton, Alberta Canada
Racisizm is a sad display of human ignorance, born not of personal experiance but, of ignorant conformity.
If a man be angered or hurt by one man, let him not be angry at that man's wife, mother or child.
He who has harmed me, losses the honor of accompanying his brother and I.
Where does raciszm get it's fuel?
I find it ironic that the country represenatives of the tmost racist people I have ever visited, has the odasity to publicly admit such a statement.
From: United States
Dominicans believe they're "Hispanics", and for Dominicans, Haitians are just "Blacks". That simple.
Written by: Belial, 5 Feb 2008 5:32 AM
From: United States, Texas
If black DRs are "Hispanics" like the caucasianated DR "whites" and the transparent mulattoes, then why can't the black DRs dance at the "Tonic" and other exclusive nite clubs in Santo Domingo?
Since the mulattoes are "blacks" too, the caucasianated DR "whites" must feel and show contempt for the mulattoes, too.
There is a story that some US rednnecks and caucasianated Cuban "whites" got Batista, the mulatto Cuban dictator, thrown out of a casino of which he was part-owner.
The bourgeois media in Venezuela have repeatedly used the N-word for Hugo Chavez who is of African, Indian, and white origin.
Many of the most racist DR, Cuban-American, and Venezuelan "whites" transform themselves from light-skinned mulattoes to caucasianated people in Miami, Fla. where highly skilled cosmetic specialists perform hair transplants, nose operations, lip surgeries, various eye changes, and skin bleaching and re-coloration.
To become fully "white" may cost $50,000 - $100,000.
Written by: Belial, 5 Feb 2008 5:55 AM
From: United States, Texas
The once handsome dark-skinned, woolly-haired, flat-nosed, and thick-lipped musician M. Jackson spent millions on his vampiric caucasianation which was performed in the most ghastly manner at various clinics all over the USA.
Today, M. Jackson is as "white" or more "white" than many DR blond-haired, blue-eyed, straight-nosed, and thin-lipped socialites.
Caucasianation ... like Africanization .... is a specialty in the wider field of cosmetic medicine.
[Nobody wants to become an Asian. But if someone wanted to become an Asian, the Miami specialists can transform him or her into an impeccable Asian.]
What is distinct about DRs who caucasianate themselves is that they are sometimes unsatisfied with only a race change. So, they proceed to a sex change and then they run after or run down rednecks.
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Why won't they AT THE VERY LEAST publish their names on every local newspaper?
Just kidding this so wrong and so typical here..
It's not because theya re black it is because they aren't rich, they won't deny famous baseball stars or local celbrities nor will they not allow my fairly dark skinned wife, as long as she is with me.
Thats the reality
If the clubs dishonors black US citizens in a racially exclusivist manner, then the clubs most likely treat black DR citizens ... most of the DR population ... in ths same esteem-busting manner.
If so, the clubs most likely also treat black Caribbeans who are not DR citizens in this manner.
We would all suffer terribly if fires tragically broke out at the racist-infested "exclusive clubs," as the racists "dance the night away."
One thing is for sure, the humiliated blacks won't be burnt since the exclusive clubs exclude them.
This arrogance at the clubs sounds more like the conceit of race chauvinist sector of the DR largely mulatto bourgeoisie than the vanity of the US imperialists in Santo Domingo, who, of course, have a long history of race chauvinism.
Here, the rich DR mulattoes ape the GOPs.
Some of what you say is right about the attention going to the whites but thats becuase they know they can charge more and we will pay, plus we tip and treat people well (Americans)
I am a legal resident been here for 14 years off and on and still am the one that kids coming running to for a handout. I don't ask for this but they know their own people will not give them anything. It is a sad situation and has not changed in the 14 years I have been here.
Just today I went to buy some fruit and asked the price the vendor tried to charge me 5 times more for the same banana he just sold the Domincan in front of me for 2 pesos..
This is life, but I am not complaining and i speak Spanish fluently which helps a lot.
Some Europeans treat people very bad and so do Dominicans Americans thse are just bad people but not all of us are bad..
say Club X c/o Y (there is lots of exclusive clubs in Miami, FL) or LA that to get inside
the club You have somebody in charge that if He or She feels You are not entitled to
enter (PLAIN AND SIMPLE) Your or anybody else will no go inside this club.
There is many clubs like that in the US where anybody would be denied the entry
for whatever reasons They want to (Isn't this DISCRIMINATION) too.
I'm already TIRED with the same Song about being discriminattion (NOT ONLY BLACKS)
(WHITE PEOPLE TOO) would be discriminated too.
Americans are playing double standard here with this idiotic story, like wise people say
"Lead by example"
This imperialistic thinking and pushing us to comply with their needs is BIG BS.
Have you been to Miami or Las Vegas? I don't think you have a good example on your hands, i just went to those places and i can say your example isn't entirely true. It is not based on color, its about how many girls you have with you and how much money you got in your pockets. I went to PRIVE and MANSION clubs in Miami, which are upscale and hard to get into. I can tell you, that its hard to get in the club, but when you get inside you see a rainbow of different people. Therefore, your club example isn't supporting why racism is found in a predominantly black/mullato country. I am almost certain there is a basis to the findings of the US embassy. By the way, don't compare a third world country where the majority of the population is colored (mullatos/blacks) to US clubs. Especially when the country u are comparing it to has a population where the majority is WHITE, not mullato or black. Hope you see where im coming from, not trying to bash you or anything.
IT DOES HAPPEN IN THE US!!
Crawl from under that rock you been sleeping under !!!
Don't go and start name calling, can you please name me clubs where a black or colored person is barred from going to in the US. Name me just one club that is still operating, and outlaws black people. I bet there's a few in the DR, but not in the US. Racism exists in the US, but its more latent my dude, racism is found in corporate america, neighborhoods, etc. But the white man tries very hard to hide their racism, they wont tell a black man that he can't get in a club, they will just change the dress code, play different music, or resort to other ways to minimize the black population. The real coward isn't me, its the you and the dominican government letting the European powers take over the country. I dunno about you, but it seems like history is repeating itself, DR is giving back its land to the European powers. A real coward is a person who lets their house be taken over by a foreigner. Unless you can prove me otherwise, i suggest you think before you talk
I have no problem with you, but don't go name calling if you don't kno where im coming from. I put money, that a club that has been cited twice, wouldn't be operating in the US if it hit the media. Racism exists in the US, but let us not forget that the clubs action wouldn't be tolerated if it was brought to the attention of the government. I don't think European powers should be blamed as much, i think the dominican government and people should be blamed. these things can't happen in Cuba, Jamaica, Bermuda, and other islands with sizeable colored population. At the end of the day, europeans are allowed to do as much as dominicans allow them to do. You may not agree, but respect people's opinion.
ART. 100.- La República condena todo privilegio y toda situación que tienda a quebrantar la igualdad de todos los dominicanos, entre los cuales no deben contar otras diferencias que las que resulten de los talentos o de las virtudes y en consecuencia, ninguna entidad de la República podrá conceder títulos de nobleza ni distinciones hereditarias.
By the way, DR has one of the most mixed population in the world (73 % mulato, 16 % white, and 11 % Negroid). It is neither the government nor the society fault that some business conduct their business that uses facial and physical appearance to filter those who will not be render services! BLAME IT ON CAPITALISM! Business sometimes behave in ways that contradicts the values and spirit of the DR constitution.
From genocide to racism, discrimination remains with us today -- only that it has taken on a different more subtle form; sarcasm, tone of voice, expressions used... I have experienced it while at the city hall, I HAVE SEEN IT BEING PLAYED OUT IN FROM OF MY EYES while waiting in line at the RMV.. -- you're judged simply be the way you look but once you demonstrate to be articulate - they respect you and even then they play the "you arent an american" card ... its pathetic and people like you are the ones who support this behavior by blaming economics, the government, locals and so forth.. it happens as direct result from outside influences.. the government is too busy stealing from public coffers to worry about social issues..
In BOSTON, kind souls far outweigh those of bigots .. and soon a law will be passed to give undocumented-students in-state tution..racists in the legislature are making it an "ILLEGAL" issue when clearly it's an EDUCATION issu
not exactly. capitalism is pretty much about bottom line without regard for social, racial, environmental ramifications .. so it is in their best interest (businesses') to do business with all, although you could say that some businesse may cater to a certain social group (upper-class) thus increasing they profits ... but largely capitalism is basically on volume and market share -- the more the merrier.. so that would imply that racism would result directly from certain emigrants bringing their racist ways from outside into DR's society.. as has been aforementioned by others here rather eloquently.. ;-P
Dominicans see skin color as a definite line between upper and lower class. Most light skinned Dominicans refer to themselves as white, showing more European features than other ones (just like the rest of Latin America).All you need to do to see the class differential is to take a drive through the country or cities. Luxury cars and shopping malls contrast with dirt roads and poor wages. The whiter the skin, the highest the class, just like the majority of light skin people dominates the government in almost every country.
They should be putting more attention to the treatment and services they provide to U.S citizens when we required so, and not to hang the phone when we call there. I hope Embassador Fannin put some order down there, and remain his staff, that beside the business of our nation, they shoul
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In fact most guys Dj'ing in the clubs will be Black. I've been many times to various countries in Europe and to DR extensively, my wife is a Black Dominicana. Her skin colour has only ever been raised or made an issue of in DR. It seems part of Dominican culture to care about skin colour, here in Britain, or France, Italy and the other European places we've been to no one gives a damn.
Your president wants to find his balls and just close these places down, not after an inquest or hearing or any of that shit, just immediately. Its only communicating to the rest of the world that the place is medieval and run by racist pigs.
Uncivilized is what comes to mind. I think this is one of the reasons there are so many Dominicans in US jails.
This country surely needs education more than a Metro and this is just another good example of how uncivilized this country is.
::shaking my head::
These closings or fires will greatly promote tourism.
Plus, the closings or the fires will to some degree clean up the environment.
Clearly, it's time for the Dominican government to step in and end this racial discrimination. At least address it!!
Yes, may of the establishments are owned by Europeans. And it does appear that DR is becoming recolonized by-mostly- Europeans, their money and all that (and who) it buys.
But many Dominicans treat their darker skinned brothers and sisters just as bad.
I say stop this now, before it's too late.
CJ
Oh..who do you think will be able to afford living in all the new Residential Towers being built in Santo Domingo?
And just wait in till they start classifying who can buy an apartment in the new Building.
That's what DR needs.. a civil rights movement!!
CJ
If a man be angered or hurt by one man, let him not be angry at that man's wife, mother or child.
He who has harmed me, losses the honor of accompanying his brother and I.
Where does raciszm get it's fuel?
I find it ironic that the country represenatives of the tmost racist people I have ever visited, has the odasity to publicly admit such a statement.
If a man be angered or hurt by one man, let him not be angry at that man's wife, mother or child.
He who has harmed me, losses the honor of accompanying his brother and I.
Where does raciszm get it's fuel?
I find it ironic that the country represenatives of the tmost racist people I have ever visited, has the odasity to publicly admit such a statement.
Since the mulattoes are "blacks" too, the caucasianated DR "whites" must feel and show contempt for the mulattoes, too.
There is a story that some US rednnecks and caucasianated Cuban "whites" got Batista, the mulatto Cuban dictator, thrown out of a casino of which he was part-owner.
The bourgeois media in Venezuela have repeatedly used the N-word for Hugo Chavez who is of African, Indian, and white origin.
Many of the most racist DR, Cuban-American, and Venezuelan "whites" transform themselves from light-skinned mulattoes to caucasianated people in Miami, Fla. where highly skilled cosmetic specialists perform hair transplants, nose operations, lip surgeries, various eye changes, and skin bleaching and re-coloration.
To become fully "white" may cost $50,000 - $100,000.
Today, M. Jackson is as "white" or more "white" than many DR blond-haired, blue-eyed, straight-nosed, and thin-lipped socialites.
Caucasianation ... like Africanization .... is a specialty in the wider field of cosmetic medicine.
[Nobody wants to become an Asian. But if someone wanted to become an Asian, the Miami specialists can transform him or her into an impeccable Asian.]
What is distinct about DRs who caucasianate themselves is that they are sometimes unsatisfied with only a race change. So, they proceed to a sex change and then they run after or run down rednecks.