SANTO DOMINGO.- A group of 96 Dominicans will arrive deported from the United States Wednesday afternoon, after serving time for murder, drug trafficking, larceny, assault, fraud and forgery, newspaper El Nacional reports.
Immigration agents in the Las Americas terminal and U.S. embassy officials in the country said the 96 Dominicans will arrive at 2 p.m. on a chartered flight.
It was learned that some of the ex-convicts will be in handcuffs because they are considered extremely dangerous, and seven federal agents will hand them over to security agents in the airport.
According to the information, of the 96 ex convicts, 72 served time for drug trafficking in different areas of the United States.
From the airport the group will be escorted by bus to Police headquarters, and the National Drugs Control Agency (DNCD), where background checks will determine if they have outstanding warrants in the country, before being handed over to relatives. Statistics show that this is the second largest group of a total of 524 Dominican ex-convicts repatriated by the U.S. so far this year.
From: United States
Those deportees are comiting most of the crimes in the Hisland where is Candelier or Trujillo when you need them?.
From: United States, New York City
carbelk99 choppily expresses a thought I'm sure has crossed many a mind....
Written by: Edward, 23 Apr 2008 4:54 PM
From: United States, Leominster, Massachusetts
Most of these men are not even terrible violent people. The vast majority did a couple of years for felony drug-related convictions. US deportation laws are very unfair. Even a 1 year suspended sentence for a misdemeanor means certain deportation even if the person didn't even do a day in jail. It's all part of the war on brown people that the paranoid republikklans started back in the mid 90s when they passed anti-terrorism and anti-illegal immigration legislation that also punishes long-time permanent legal residents and treats them like terrorists. They don't even take into consideration how long a person has been here, if they came as a child, or if they have been rehabilitated. Hopefully a lot of these harsh laws will be repealed and only those sentenced to 5 years or more in prison are deported. That's how it used to be prior to 1996. Also the judges had more discretion back then.
From: United States
Edward these criminals are losers and deserve what they got,what i do feel bad is that my country man in Santo domingo will have to deal with them and their criminal activities.
Written by: Edward, 23 Apr 2008 5:06 PM
From: United States, Leominster, Massachusetts
Ok so let's say a hard-working permanent resident catches his wife with a dude and he looses it and stabs that man. Then he goes to jail for a year or 2 for aggravated assault and gets deported that makes him a criminal and a loser?! I don't see the logic in that. My point is that not everyone who is deported is this horrible unrehabilitable person. There is a misconception that the US only deports these terrible people, but it's not true. The US deports people for crimes in which a person is given a a one year jail sentence for a misdemeanor! Before the 1996 laws a person had to be sentenced to 5 years!
From: United States
True on your point. Not all are horrible many paid there debt to society and deserves a second chance,but many of them will commit the same crime over and over again. I feel those who you cant' can help must be removed and unfortuantely our country has to receive them. Many of the crimes being committed in DR are the ones that got deported.
Written by: Edward, 23 Apr 2008 5:22 PM
From: United States, Leominster, Massachusetts
I'm not this Liberal radical or anything, but I am very passionate about the issue of immigration. I believe that it's not fair to deport someone unless it's like a serious crime. It should only be reserved for the most horrible people. Like child molesters and rapists, murderers, armed robbers, etc. I am also opposed to the drug war because it's a waste of billions and many people die due to gangs and turf wars . Most Dominicans who are deported are deported for drugs. Sometimes even for 5 grams of crack which is a mandatory 5 years in prison! I know we should be tough on crime, but the punishment should fit the crime.
From: United States
Edward, do some research and you will find that there is a direct relationship with the increase of deportees and Crime in the DR. ever since the U.S began to deport convicts to the DR crime has increased exponentially.
What will these people do? What types of jobs will they pursue or hold? How will they contribute to the Economy or the social fabric of the Dominican Republic?
Sorry to say.
Crime Crime Crime. It's what they know best.
Written by: Raulin, 24 Apr 2008 12:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Hartford, CT
I have to say that I generally agree with Edward. These individuals should not be getting deported in such a fashion. I would add that the Dominican Republic is classifying these people as criminals even though they were never tried in Dominican Courts.
I myself and many other Dominican Families are facing these issues. I have two cousins who were deported for essentially non-violent crimes. I know it's hard for us to sympathize but we also have to think critically about how this policy is affecting the Dominican Community as a whole.
And to the person who said to do some research. Well actually I have, there is no direct connection. If you want the research I can put you in touch with a professor at UCONN who is doing a major research project on Dominican Deportees and the effects of these policies on the deportees, their families, and the Dominican Republic via a grant from the Dominican Studies Institute at CUNY. The perception is that they are causing the increase in crime.
From: United States
All these deportees are thinking...."Thank God we are back in the RD which is the land of gross corrupition"! We thought we could get away with the same crime spree in the US but found out that there is police that work, judges that do not take bribes, politicians that are not on the take and thus we had to serve our time for breaking the laws.
But now, in the RD we now we can goto barrios like Los Platanitos (Ensanche Caonabo) in Santiago and sell drugs to kids on school routes to create new addicts and increased demand but as long as we pay the local police, DNCD and the political machine then we will stay out of jail! The police will find us with drugs and say...."give me a bribe or go to jail" and we pay the bribe and thus the police do NOT do their job. Prez LF and all the local politicians know how the system works but the only ones in the dark are the US Gov and US DEA.
Written by: snap3400, 24 Apr 2008 7:49 AM
From: United States
They have just Graduated from Crime College in the US,.
And have come here to practice ther new learned skills
Written by: muchacho, 24 Apr 2008 9:18 AM
From: United States, New York City
May they rot till they stink in the worst hell-hole on the island!
Raulin, I feel for you and your family...trust me, I know what you are goint through. I have posted on the forum that I'm from the Paulino-Terrero family of San Francisco de Macoris. Guess what the main money maker was for the younger generation that arrived in the U.S. after 1975 from my family? You got it...cocaine!
But I still think that rather than let these guys loose to victimize people back home (my mom was a victim last October...two guys on a motorbike snatched her purse), they should either be put in jail or, better still, sent to the bateyes so we can give our Haitian sugarcane cutters a well-needed retirement.
From: United States
Edward, did i read where you said that most of these guys were jailed for non violent offenses such as felony drug trafficking? i think you ought to take into consideration the fact that most of the violence in the inner cities of the usa, and most other countries for that matter, has its genesis in the drug trade turf wars. if people ought not be deported for drug activities, kindly tell us which activities, in your mind, warrant deportation.
Written by: BLANCO, 24 Apr 2008 11:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
and now to the heart of this story....what are their names, what are they being deported for, and what communities are they expected to be living in?? give us a break, i would like to know who these people are, epecially the child sex offnders. publish their pictures, if not here the US marshall services web page
Written by: Raulin, 24 Apr 2008 12:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Hartford, CT
"(my mom was a victim last October...two guys on a motorbike snatched her purse)"
And how do you know that they were Dominican Deportees that committed the crimes?
Remember Dominicans on the island have much more incentive to commit such crimes, because they are usually the ones living in poverty. And I hope we don't equate crimes like murder and robbery for necessity.
Written by: muchacho, 24 Apr 2008 1:20 PM
From: United States, New York City
QUOTE: And how do you know that they were Dominican Deportees that committed the crimes?
Because they got caught, that's how. Although my mom was only able to recover half the money she had with her. Like a total idiot she was carrying $10,000 U.S. She was devastated. She went to deposit that amount to start looking for her retirement property.
I say, fry them in oil and sell them as chicharron on El Malecon.
Written by: Raulin, 24 Apr 2008 1:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Hartford, CT
So they were caught. And how did you (or your mom) find out that they had been deported for crimes committed in the U.S. Was there a trial where this was disclosed at??
Written by: muchacho, 24 Apr 2008 1:44 PM
From: United States, New York City
The trail is coming up. Why? Are you a lawyer? We could use you. But there was an investigation. These guys were not acting alone. The woman who drove my mom to her house the day she got into Santo Domingo so she could freshen up is a friend of my aun'ts. She set her up. The trap was originally intended for my aunt.
From: United States
If Americans, or foreigners from any country for that matter, went to live in our country, and engaged in constant illegal activity -- such as selling drugs, we would be picketting more than Dominican doctors. I am certain we would be screaming bloody hell if those individuals weren't promptly sent out of the lsland. I would argue that we would probably get them out of the country without even processing them through the legal system. But who knows, perhaps we would use the judge that signed the realease order for the most notorious drug dealer in DR -- (see story). Folks, what's good for the goose is good for the gander -- just take a look at how we treat the Hatians and how we pack them in "cola de camionas" and drop them off at the border without putting them through due process. I love my country and fellow countrymen -- but that does not mean I should condone wrongdoing. If you decide to commit a crime in a country that graciously took you in -- you should be deported.
From: Dominican Republic
To all of you who speak against the deportation of those Dominicans who have committed a crime, been jailed and are deported as a result, let me say this.
Deportation is a way of getting rid of undesirables in the US society. In other words, the US doesn't want those who will accept residency or citizenship from the US then break the laws, no matter the degree, felony or misdemeaner. People who start out doing themisdemeaner usually end up involved on a felony somewhere down the line.
In addition, a person that commits a small crime is one which has themindset that they are smarter than the law enforcement agencies or has the attitude that he deserves what he wants even if it belongsto someone else. These people are in the category of being sociapaths andae therefore anti-law.
So, don't give me those bleeding hearts excuses and fallacious reasoning like has been posted above, because that flag won't get saluted no matter how high the flagpole.
TB
From: United States
it is really very simple. if you think that deportation is cruel and unusual punishment, then simply abide by the laws of your host country. if i invite you to my home, and you end up kicking my dog while you are there, i am afraid i will have to ask you to leave!
From: United States
You know really! Come on! These individuals are deported for felonies not jumping the turnstiles on the train or outstanding parking summonses. I quote, "after serving time for murder, drug trafficking, larceny, assault, fraud and forgery".
Most of these cats, come here in yolas and are illegal to begin with. What should the law do, have them serve time and then they stay here illegally after being a menace to society. I don't think so.
Written by: Loveviji, 25 Apr 2008 8:47 PM
From: United States
It is very sad, and I agree that some of the criminals need to be deported, but some (ones that have not committed violent crimes) end up leaving their families in the States. And what about all of the americans that commit rimes in the U.S> and get out of jail/prison just to do it all over again. I feel for a lot of these families. Most of these people have paid their debt to society and have rehabilitated themselves but because they didn't think- they are being sent back home and ultimately the ones who suffer are the family members that they leave behind.
From: Dominican Republic
Loveviji;
Those of whom you speak, that left loved ones behind in the States were irresponsible to begin with. Why, pray tell, didn't they think of them instead of taking the greedy way out to begin with.
Had the really cared for their families, they wouldn't have turned to a life of crime to begin with.
Sorry pal but I can't get up a single tear for them. They'll do thesame thing here cause that is the way they are built. Once they step past the social barriers that demand responsible action they very seldom change their ways. There are plenty of studies to support that premise. Crime is the easiest form of "work" there is.
TB
Written by: Loveviji, 25 Apr 2008 9:12 PM
From: United States
TB:
I somewhat agree with you, and by the way, I am a female...I am also a Nurse who has worked insome of the prisons in Florida and I see what these families go thru...I have also seen some of thes inmates change and for the better, but by then it is too late- but my heart aches for the mothers, fathers, wives, kids of these people. Trust me they are not all bad.
From: Dominican Republic
Loveviji, Et Al;
In the final analysis, even though one has simpathy for thevictims ( themothers, wives, children, etc. ) one must cosider the remainder of society when dealing with individuals who have a criminal bent in their psyche.
These people are ones who haven't developed a social awareness for the people with whom they interact. Somewhere along the line they ceased to take into consideration that what they were doing, had done, was in opposition to social norms. This attitude I attribute to parental dis-discipline and a lack of character guidance in the development of the individual. We call these individuals "Bad Apples" in our society andmake attempts to "rehabilitate" them in the prison systems, sometimes sucessfully and sometines not.
The attitude of the USCIS is one of "Don't bother, just send them back to the society that devoloped them because we don't want them". I might add that this is the attitude of every government with regards to non-citizen undesirables.
TB
From: Dominican Republic
I might add that it is this deportation method that is used by every country on this Earth to rid themselves of non-citizen undesirables, so the US is not alone in the use of this method.
I become increasingly concerned about the "permissiveness" I see expressed on these pages andwonder if perhaps that attitude is not the underlying reason for manner in which society views the social and political problems that develop in all countries. This "hands off" attitude in raising children to adulthood seems to be the underlying cause of criminal development.
I would ask each of you, do you discipline your child for infractions of social behavior/deportment or do you just "let it go" because of a lazy attitude of "why bother"?
Think about it.
TB
Written by: Jander, 26 Apr 2008 9:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sometimes a little research will help us understand.
Most Confirmed Alien Inmates (61.2%) in Prison for Violent Crimes
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/annual/0607/stats/ip_alien.htmlExcuse this old data but it does help me understand why they deport other then the huge finacial burden . I
In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones (including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings). In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens (who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges).6
Written by: rt8bias, 27 Apr 2008 12:05 AM
From: United States
I think that people ignore the real reason they are been deported to the Dominican republic, and the reason is that they are Dominicans who used to live here and somehow went in to another country to do what they where probably doing here before going in to the states. Of curse, there are many more real job opportunities in the states and anyway this Dominicans decide to do wrong and in the end, they got arrested and deported. Let me call them Dominicans because that is what they are.
Written by: juliony, 27 Apr 2008 12:26 PM
From: United States, New YOrk
As soon as the plane touch ground, arrest those criminals and kill them. We don't need more basura in the country.
From: United States
Loveviji asks ..what about americans who commit crimes and are released into society .. unfortunately, america cannot deport americans.
Written by: Raulin, 30 Apr 2008 2:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Hartford, CT
Jander,
Your research is old and misleading. No where in there did you mention if any of those "criminal aliens" were dominicans. How are we supposed to have an intelligent conversation about it with misleading outdated information. Do you know how many "aliens", a terms I don't like, are actually in this country. It's certainly millions, so to mention only 35,000 means that it is a small percentage. Thus, your old and misleading data just shows that it is a minor portion of the population. Please step up with better data.
As I mentioned before. There is actual research coming out soon. As soon as I have that. I will share. Either way. I would get in touch with the Dominican Studies Institute, to get a more accurate picture.
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What will these people do? What types of jobs will they pursue or hold? How will they contribute to the Economy or the social fabric of the Dominican Republic?
Sorry to say.
Crime Crime Crime. It's what they know best.
I myself and many other Dominican Families are facing these issues. I have two cousins who were deported for essentially non-violent crimes. I know it's hard for us to sympathize but we also have to think critically about how this policy is affecting the Dominican Community as a whole.
And to the person who said to do some research. Well actually I have, there is no direct connection. If you want the research I can put you in touch with a professor at UCONN who is doing a major research project on Dominican Deportees and the effects of these policies on the deportees, their families, and the Dominican Republic via a grant from the Dominican Studies Institute at CUNY. The perception is that they are causing the increase in crime.
But now, in the RD we now we can goto barrios like Los Platanitos (Ensanche Caonabo) in Santiago and sell drugs to kids on school routes to create new addicts and increased demand but as long as we pay the local police, DNCD and the political machine then we will stay out of jail! The police will find us with drugs and say...."give me a bribe or go to jail" and we pay the bribe and thus the police do NOT do their job. Prez LF and all the local politicians know how the system works but the only ones in the dark are the US Gov and US DEA.
And have come here to practice ther new learned skills
Raulin, I feel for you and your family...trust me, I know what you are goint through. I have posted on the forum that I'm from the Paulino-Terrero family of San Francisco de Macoris. Guess what the main money maker was for the younger generation that arrived in the U.S. after 1975 from my family? You got it...cocaine!
But I still think that rather than let these guys loose to victimize people back home (my mom was a victim last October...two guys on a motorbike snatched her purse), they should either be put in jail or, better still, sent to the bateyes so we can give our Haitian sugarcane cutters a well-needed retirement.
And how do you know that they were Dominican Deportees that committed the crimes?
Remember Dominicans on the island have much more incentive to commit such crimes, because they are usually the ones living in poverty. And I hope we don't equate crimes like murder and robbery for necessity.
Because they got caught, that's how. Although my mom was only able to recover half the money she had with her. Like a total idiot she was carrying $10,000 U.S. She was devastated. She went to deposit that amount to start looking for her retirement property.
I say, fry them in oil and sell them as chicharron on El Malecon.
Deportation is a way of getting rid of undesirables in the US society. In other words, the US doesn't want those who will accept residency or citizenship from the US then break the laws, no matter the degree, felony or misdemeaner. People who start out doing themisdemeaner usually end up involved on a felony somewhere down the line.
In addition, a person that commits a small crime is one which has themindset that they are smarter than the law enforcement agencies or has the attitude that he deserves what he wants even if it belongsto someone else. These people are in the category of being sociapaths andae therefore anti-law.
So, don't give me those bleeding hearts excuses and fallacious reasoning like has been posted above, because that flag won't get saluted no matter how high the flagpole.
TB
Most of these cats, come here in yolas and are illegal to begin with. What should the law do, have them serve time and then they stay here illegally after being a menace to society. I don't think so.
Those of whom you speak, that left loved ones behind in the States were irresponsible to begin with. Why, pray tell, didn't they think of them instead of taking the greedy way out to begin with.
Had the really cared for their families, they wouldn't have turned to a life of crime to begin with.
Sorry pal but I can't get up a single tear for them. They'll do thesame thing here cause that is the way they are built. Once they step past the social barriers that demand responsible action they very seldom change their ways. There are plenty of studies to support that premise. Crime is the easiest form of "work" there is.
TB
I somewhat agree with you, and by the way, I am a female...I am also a Nurse who has worked insome of the prisons in Florida and I see what these families go thru...I have also seen some of thes inmates change and for the better, but by then it is too late- but my heart aches for the mothers, fathers, wives, kids of these people. Trust me they are not all bad.
In the final analysis, even though one has simpathy for thevictims ( themothers, wives, children, etc. ) one must cosider the remainder of society when dealing with individuals who have a criminal bent in their psyche.
These people are ones who haven't developed a social awareness for the people with whom they interact. Somewhere along the line they ceased to take into consideration that what they were doing, had done, was in opposition to social norms. This attitude I attribute to parental dis-discipline and a lack of character guidance in the development of the individual. We call these individuals "Bad Apples" in our society andmake attempts to "rehabilitate" them in the prison systems, sometimes sucessfully and sometines not.
The attitude of the USCIS is one of "Don't bother, just send them back to the society that devoloped them because we don't want them". I might add that this is the attitude of every government with regards to non-citizen undesirables.
TB
I become increasingly concerned about the "permissiveness" I see expressed on these pages andwonder if perhaps that attitude is not the underlying reason for manner in which society views the social and political problems that develop in all countries. This "hands off" attitude in raising children to adulthood seems to be the underlying cause of criminal development.
I would ask each of you, do you discipline your child for infractions of social behavior/deportment or do you just "let it go" because of a lazy attitude of "why bother"?
Think about it.
TB
Most Confirmed Alien Inmates (61.2%) in Prison for Violent Crimes
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/annual/0607/stats/ip_alien.html
Excuse this old data but it does help me understand why they deport other then the huge finacial burden . I
In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones (including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings). In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens (who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges).6
Your research is old and misleading. No where in there did you mention if any of those "criminal aliens" were dominicans. How are we supposed to have an intelligent conversation about it with misleading outdated information. Do you know how many "aliens", a terms I don't like, are actually in this country. It's certainly millions, so to mention only 35,000 means that it is a small percentage. Thus, your old and misleading data just shows that it is a minor portion of the population. Please step up with better data.
As I mentioned before. There is actual research coming out soon. As soon as I have that. I will share. Either way. I would get in touch with the Dominican Studies Institute, to get a more accurate picture.