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Santo Domingo. - Discrimination and massive expulsion against Haitians, denunciation of aggressions by law enforcement agencies and violence against women are Amnesty International’s (AI) main concerns on Dominican Republic, its report for 2007 says, presented Tuesday in London.

AI says last year the massive expulsions continued –which it said are illegal- of Haitian migrant workers and Dominican people of Haitian origin “for the fact of being black”.  It reports mistreatment by immigration officials during deportations and the security forces deployed along the Dominican-Haiti border.

The report cites the case of a minor who - according to denunciations- was detained in Santo Domingo on January, 2007, together with four other minors by four Immigration officials, and were allegedly beaten. The arrest took place although the minor was of Dominican origin, it said.

"Exchanges of gunfire" and violence against women

AI said between January and August  2007 204 people died in this type of  incident, a lower figure compared with the same period in 2005, when 345 people died in that manner.

The report says 57 law enforcement agents died in that same period, although "concern continues form the fact that several of these shootouts resulting in death could have been illegitimate"

 As far as violence against women, the entity says there is concern with the number of cases submitted to the authorities, which reached 1,080 just in April, 2007, whereas in the first six months that year 43 women died at the hands of their ex partners.

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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 8:11 AM
From: United States
Not being from the DR but intensely interested in it and it's beautiful people...if a Haitian gives birth in the DR does not that make the baby a Dominican?

And if that is the case, why the apparent distinction on being "black"?

From my travels there I have seen that the gentes of the DR come in every single shade of brown- including dark brown (black).
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 8:15 AM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
before those people from outside this area of concern start shooting their mouths off and compound this problem with more antagonistic talk take the time to try to comprehend why people feel the way they do. and try to walk in their shoes before applying your values to a Dominican /Haitian tragedy
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 28 May 2008 8:31 AM
From: United States, Long island, NY
Very "BIASED", "REPULSIVE" and "PUSHY" from AI, since when They do the same about USA or any other country.

This is a conspiracy created by countries that have an agenda against Dominican Republic, Everybody knows the BS from the ONG"S in DR that are trying to manipulate international opinions with lies and brainwashing news.

Amnesty International is a piece of *@%^ organization................
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Written by: JimHarrington, 28 May 2008 8:41 AM
From: United States
You just don't want to hear the truth about your country the DR.

Bury your head like an ostrich and the world will be a better place until you poke your head out of the sand and see that it is biased.

Past history does not allow the beatings of children no matter what the race you bigots.
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Written by: MrDom, 28 May 2008 8:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, DN
I have notice that there is an international interest for knowing what its going on in DR? (I say this for the posters). Me as an host I have to say that, that makes me feel proud...

Regarding to this issue... it is true that Haitians in DR don’t live in the best conditions and some of them are not treated as a human being... but this is not an exclusive problem of DR... Any other country that is handling with a large illegal immigrant population is facing the same issues...

You all know that Haiti is having too much problems so international organizations just want to entertain themselves with is and forgot about the real problems of Haiti
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 28 May 2008 9:03 AM
From: United States, Long island, NY
Jimharington: agree with You 100% since You are defending Your own people............

I know that lots of people hate order and this is the reason why AI and other countries want
to destroy DR foundation and legacy from our founding fathers.

Why same people that care so much about Haiti don't do something more proactive like
pouring money and resources over there instead of pushing and demonizing Dominicans.
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Written by: Lautaro, 28 May 2008 9:08 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
What about the people that your country has detained (ilegally) on Guantanamo and other similar gulags around Eastern Europe, mr. Harrington, don't they have a right to defend themselves too? Should I remind you the everyday human rights abuses committed by US forces on Iraq? Usually, I take the side of the inmigrants on these type of issues, but your comments don't let me other choice than to tell you to mind your own business before pointing your fingers at others. Oh, one last thing: Do I need to remind you that it was your marines which created the batey system of the DR?
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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 9:28 AM
From: United States
MrDom- Thank you. I you are correct in saying that every country with an illegal immigrant problem faces the same challenges...but technically my question was about a baby born in the country.

But again MrDom- thank you.

Jim Harrington - Sir, you are the man!

Ghoulcolonial(proper spelling) try not to talk to me if you can help it- you are a little too angry and other things for tastes - good luck to you.

Remember guys and girls- I asked a question- the Lord knows the same type of questions need to be and are asked here in the E.E.U.S, with its population of people from every country on this planet - including the DR.

The current political administration - some have called "evil". There are a majority of people here(if polls can be believed) who absolutely despise and despair over what they see as a criminal act and continued criminal acts of the current administration.

Alas, I image there is no longer a 'paradise' to be found- except maybe in countries like Norway
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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 9:29 AM
From: United States
Correction: Ghoulcolonial(proper spelling) try not to talk to me if you can help it- you are a little too angry and other things for my tastes - good luck to you.
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Written by: Lautaro, 28 May 2008 9:39 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Well, mr. rafiell, to answer your question: No, unless the parents have their papers in order. Before 2005, it wasn't necessary for inmigrants of any nationality to have any type of paperwork to declare their children as dominicans, but then, all that unpleasantness with the Interamerican Court of Human Rights (with the case of the two girls of haitian descent which were being denied their papers by the dominican state) took place, that, coupled with the increase of the influx of inmigrants due to the political instabilities on Haiti prompted the dominican elites and gov to make a crackdown. The only thing that the dominican state can say in its defense is that it hasn't been the only state on the Caribbean to make changes in the law in order to make things harsher to the inmigrants (from what I have heard, Jamaica and the Bahamas have done the same thing, at even earlier dates), although the manner in which deportations are carried out still leaves a lot to be desired. Satisfied?
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Written by: buenoha, 28 May 2008 9:48 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
My cousin was born in Rotterdam (Holland) on the 9th of Februari 1992. In 1995 him and his dominican parents whom where trying to get a residence permit in Holland were deported to the DR after the residence permit was refused to them. The child is now 16 years old and he is living in Santo Domingo, without even a birth certificate from Holland. Holland has the same policy as the DR, children of illegal immigrants do not get citizenship. The DOminican Republic is not the only country in the world to have such a policy, why blaim them so much???
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Written by: MrDom, 28 May 2008 9:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, DN
Thanks Buenoha for that info...
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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 10:07 AM
From: United States
Lautaro- thank for the reasoned and apparently researched response. I really appreciate it and having a little history always helps to understand the present - thank you.

Buenoha - I guess then Paradise is Lost.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 11:18 AM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
Rafi who was talking to you? your post was not there when I started posting ...so if the shoe fits you wear it ...and what I said is if you are an outsider put BOTH their shoes on and walk in them before you shoot your mouth off...because this issue is not for outsiders that is why I do not say anthing about it except for outsiders who shoot their mouths off you got it now rafi ?
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 11:20 AM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
see rafi I tried but I still had to talk to your dumb ass
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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 11:33 AM
From: United States
lol!
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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 11:34 AM
From: United States
LOL!

actually "your dumb ass" how does it go I know you are...but what am I?
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 11:43 AM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
I am also a pee wee fan ...the difference I do not meddle in Dominican /Haitian political affairs
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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 11:54 AM
From: United States
Interesting.
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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 11:56 AM
From: United States
So you view of reality, some might say, is a bit off-kilter. Hmmm, note to self...
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 12:00 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
better a note than talking to and answering yourself
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 12:04 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
rafi be careful not to associate with people with bad reputations...you are probably a nice young man who has been led astray....by the wrong types...any friend of pee wee is a friend of mine
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Written by: snoopyy3k, 28 May 2008 12:45 PM
From: United States
This really urks me. AI is very quick to point fingers to countries like the Dominican Rep, but turns a blind eye and a deaf ear to countries like the US, Brazil, Sudan, Malawi, Iran, China and many others. If we are going to talk about racial, social and econimical inequalities and the mistreatment of ethinc minorities than lets do it on a level and equal playing field. The Dominican Rep. has it's flaws, but they are merely small repairable tears in the fabric when in comparison to the huge enormous wholes and gaps that countries like the USA, China and others have in their worn out fabrications. AI needs to be more of an equal opportunity finger pointer, instead of biased judge of character.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 28 May 2008 12:54 PM
From: United States
snoopyy3k, what makes you think that AI turns a blind eye to problems in other countries? do you believe that they singled out the DR only, and gave everyone else a pass? do you have any proof to substantiate that assertion? you mean that they have no annual reports on brazil, sudan, iran, etc? and why is it that everything has to result in relative analysis? what does it matter regarding our situation , if they do not report on someone else´s? if the police arrest me for having a loud muffler on my car, does the fact that several other guys have loud mufflers make mine any quieter?
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 1:16 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
snoopyy you got it right...there is another agenda at work here....mr Data and Statistics calls the people that deviate from his position jibaritos and racists and Dumbminicans........by.making inane jokes about their intelligence....... he has the loudest muffler of all and he keeps his motor reving on this subject constantly....the lefist american press is going down the same dumb road
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 1:21 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
from a previous post on the same subject.......The stooges of these outsiders who refuse to see this situation as anything but a racial issue ....and refuse to examine the problem in its entirety are trouble makers and have another agenda....we all want justice for all ....the sovereignty issue is very sensitive one....historical scores to settle are another...and economics as well play a part....for these outsiders to call these people who disagree with them jibaritos and racists and Dumbminicans is just as bad as the intolerant attitudes of some who preach hate in the opposite direction....this requires understanding and compassion...not bomb throwers....we are at the mercy of a leftist American press looking to sell papers
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Written by: bernies, 28 May 2008 2:26 PM
From: United States, falls church va
you guys don't get it the haitian were the first one who started it with the recial issue Its started back when they invaded that country 186 year ago by sending to venezuela any dominican that does not wanted to speak to creole.....ps...read the history the dominican are not the bad guys. they haitian did the damage to themself by chopping down all the trees in the country...dominican in the other hand protect their trees so they can have rainforest and rivers.
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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 2:47 PM
From: United States
Dreadlocks..BRAVO!
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 28 May 2008 3:26 PM
From: United States, Long island, NY
Bernies: Excellent comments, the best part is that talk is cheap and non productive.

Everybody point fingers to Dominican Republic and at the same time Haiti do %^&* for themselves and the international community waist their dumb time talking %^&& about us.

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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 3:50 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
well rafi you have to go in the whiner and complainer category with" Dred the Red " I warned you
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Written by: rafiell, 28 May 2008 4:32 PM
From: United States
Ok I get it - most of you guys/girls here in this forum really do not like Haitians- for whatever reasons- real or perceived.

I choose to try to appreciate as many Peoples as I can - understanding that we all have some biases.
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Written by: Lautaro, 28 May 2008 4:38 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
You're mistaken about GC, rafiell, because his only quarrel is with the communists and everything related to them. LOL
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Written by: BASTA, 28 May 2008 5:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
Have the Brazilians police stopped killing the street children?
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 May 2008 6:11 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
thank you Lautaro for your kind words...it is sad for harm to come to children of any country....solutions must be found...outside agitators and the leftist press are doing the DR a disservice
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Written by: malva70997, 28 May 2008 10:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I believe that all of those Haitian-defenders should do something about Haitians instead of bashing the DR, we are trying to protect our territory. To those of you who are not aware, they destroyed their country's natural resources and are doing the same with ours, starting with the Sierra de Bahoruco, where they are destroying thousands of acres of forest to plant their short-term crops or for coal. Is AI going to do anything about that? no one is, everyone has an opinion but no one has a solution, the haitians are our problem and no one else wants to take responsibility. The food that's donated for the poor in Haiti is openly sold iat the border during market days, I have bought their Carolina rice @10 pesos a pound at the border market and the UN knows about it because it is sold openly. I don't see AI complaining about the illegal inmigrants in the US being persecuted and deported back to their country.
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Written by: Trujillo, 28 May 2008 11:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Anmesty International has no right to tell us what to do. Rafiell, I'm 100% dominican and white just like the founders of our nation since the arrival of the spaniards in 1492 (except for the native americans of course). But of course, I'm the one who's racist. I guess the haitians aren't racists, they united with the mulatos to kill all whites in haiti, then they killed the mulatos to become the first independent black nation in the world. After that they invaded my country and started killing the white people just for the color of their skin, they even beheaded them in churches...my people in a sacred place of our faith, but yeah, we're supposed to act like nothing happened. We have never invaded their nation (Haiti), but they have invaded us several times and we've always fought them back, now it seems there's some sort of pacific invation. There's so many, that people like you don't even think we exist. Screw Anmesty International and all the DR haters.
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Written by: snoopyy3k, 29 May 2008 2:19 AM
From: United States
I don't know about you Dreadlocks, but from what I've read in the past in the NY Times and other papers AI for some reason appears to be all over the DR and it's policies regarding Human Rights and Liberties. But I for some reason fail to see where they ever mention any other countries with far much worse, severe and unspeakable atrocities in place, that they call "policies" that would make any typical school age child have nightmares for days. AI fails to speak of the improvements and strides that the DR has made in any way, shape or form to improve ethnic relations within it's borders. But yet they love to focus on all of the negatives and not ever once mention any of the positives.What AI needs to do along with a bunch of these fanatical groups and their "fans" with their agendas is create their own nation and do whaever it is that their fanatically sufficated minds will allow them to do.
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Written by: snoopyy3k, 29 May 2008 2:22 AM
From: United States
Trujillo- KUDOS...BRAVO!!!
You hit right on the nail.
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Written by: snoopyy3k, 29 May 2008 2:34 AM
From: United States
I wonder what AI has to say regarding the US maltreatment of illegals on the border with Mexico and the with the social policies inflicted to those in Guantanamo Bay. As well as the already given lopsided applications of the laws when it comes to Whites versus everyone else?
I wonder what they have to say about China's and India's social systems and their functions regarding ethnicity, class and gender.?
I wonder what is their take on situations that happen on an everyday basis in Brazi, Sudan, South Africa, Malawi, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan etc.?
Given that they have such a profound interest in the DR and how it runs things with it's borders.

Things that make you go......HHHUUMMM!!!!!
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 29 May 2008 9:45 AM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
snoopy you are on to something we all beginning to realize .....there is another agenda at work here.....the stooges of the leftist American press are trumpeting the same BS....be vigilant
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Written by: jemesouviens1804, 29 May 2008 12:28 PM
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
You know what Trujillo, it shows what type of mindset you have when you have to declare to everyone on this article that you are white. I really think you need to do your research again before stating things that you know nothing about.
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Written by: davinci, 29 May 2008 1:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Amnesty International is a branch of the Pentagon. The main job of this agency, and many other agencies of the US Government is to build bogus reports to create caos in countries where the US has interests. The main reason for the US-backed conspiracy against the Dominican Republic is to destort the real caos created by their invasion of Haiti and kidnapping of Aristide. People....please open your eyes and ears, and let's use our brains for what it is meant to do.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 29 May 2008 1:30 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
wow someone even nuttier than belial.......Leonardo where did you get those thoughts
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Written by: jemesouviens1804, 29 May 2008 2:33 PM
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Ok Davinci, but what country provided the terrorist that helped toppled the government of Aristide with aid and material support. If that is your reason, then the Dominican Republic is as guilty as the United States. Your country is the one that supports Terrorism(along with the U.S.).
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 29 May 2008 2:35 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
aristide was a demented dwarf who dug the hole even deeper
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 29 May 2008 2:51 PM
From: United States, Long island, NY
I thinkg the many "Sensitive" neighbors got offended already and soon We are going to have a overflowed complains list on this blog.

Same backwards mentality , thinking, and acting instead of executing proactive thoughts and actions to fix current situation.

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Written by: carbelk99 This user is banned, 29 May 2008 6:49 PM
From: United States
Trujillo, I couldnt have say it better in my pueblo Moca those Haitians KILLED 500 Mocanos,inside a Church.
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Written by: carbelk99 This user is banned, 29 May 2008 6:53 PM
From: United States
Sorry i forgot to say that they only KILLED the Whites or the mulatos,they didn t kill one black. So who are the Racist here.
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Written by: nyclatinhunk, 29 May 2008 7:36 PM
From: United States
This is a matter to be resolved amicably between Haiti and the DR, not by anyone else (unless they have a satisfactory solution). The DR is a sovereign country and has every right to defend its borders. The US is under the gun itself by hispanic groups over illegal immigration through its souther border. This is not a problem specific to the DR and no other country should be out there throwing stones in glass houses. The bottom line is Haiti is like a time bomb ready to explode, not even the peace keeping troops can contain its population and the responsibility should not fall on the DR. If nothing is done now; it'll be like a crowd stampeding across the fence to get out of its misery.
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Written by: baldoria23, 30 May 2008 2:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
I've been regreting jumping in, b/c people like GC & Rubirosa exhust my patience- not in their views but in their bad manners

The AI report should be a seen as a challenge to analyze and try improve the situation. To say there are no abuses against Women, Children, the elderly, Immigrants, non-whites, the poor, and the handicapped is assanine. To say there are "minor" discimination and oppression problems in the DR is unrealistic and is part of the domininant culture (male, light-skinned, & non-poor). We have HUGE discrimination problems which are swept under the rug in the name of a "single" identity based on the dominant culture- e.g. people who like "Palo" music are called brujos

So, instead of reacting so negatively to AI, take it as a challenge to analyze your everyday practices and perceptions to try to identify discriminatory things in your life that you can change: e.g. our language (mejorar la raza, pelo bueno vs malo)

Lastly, AI has reports on many other countries.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 30 May 2008 2:51 PM
From: United States
thank you for that input,Baldoria. instead of worrying about the omissions of AI, we should concentrate on what they say about us, with a view to rectifying problems we may need to address. forget about what is happening in Nigeria, and deal with the issues at home. a nd sorry to see that you have reduced your postings because of the woebegotten bad behavior of others. this is a case of greshams law...Bad money drives out good!
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 30 May 2008 3:12 PM
From: United States, Long island, NY
baldoria23: Can you please "With Your extremely good manners" read the rest of the opinions and compare other's people thinking before trying to be politically correct.

Try to be more analytical sound and smart next time instead of diverting attention from the real issue that is blaming Dominican Republic for other's people mistakes.

Have a nice Day MR. Gentleman
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Written by: baldoria23, 30 May 2008 3:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
Oh, by the way, remember that history is written by the victors and used by rulers to justify/legitimate their rule & policies. So rulers may say "be scared, be very very scared and trust us, b/c there are all these bad people who killed every person in a village, and eat babies for lunch..." BE CRITICAL, don't accept everything written in history books and don't accept everything the gov says. I know the gov never lies (sarcasm), but maybe sometimes it gets it wrong.

So we should have our own criteria to measure present and future policies - human rights, equality, dignity, anti-corruption, representative & participatory democracy, high investment in social services & in the public sphere so that we can ALL have a wonderful country & nation.

PS - Hey Mike, The elections were the ones restricting my postings. Hopefully now, I can get back into the swing of things.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 30 May 2008 3:26 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
very well said baldy.....now let us hear your spin on the film Sugar Babies and the Price of Sugar....surely these are inflammatory pieces of garbage and not close to being even handed
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 30 May 2008 3:29 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
please no more horse puckey about the gulags of eastern Europe that was before your time unless you are an outright commie or an extreme leftist we saved the people of eastern europe
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 30 May 2008 3:32 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
dread stop acting coy like you have anything to do with people you call Jibaritos and Dumbminicans we know where your coming from
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Written by: baldoria23, 30 May 2008 3:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
Well Rubirosa, sometimes one can make a point w/o resorting to name-calling and to crass language. what do you think the point of my previous posts were? If I wasn't clear, let me know and I'll try to explain.

I just finished rereading "the Intimate Enemy" (by A. Nandy). TO get a better sense of how discrimination works, you should really read this book. It talks about how myths, news, history, and religion are continously used to shape our views so that those in the dominant culture don't see anything wrong w/ discrimination. It also talks about how discriminatory relationship don't only dehumanize the oppressed, but also the oppressors. In other words, by oppressing others, we lose our humanity. We see gross acts of violence as legitimate, and we devalue human lives. We also lose our sense of dignity. You see, that's why oppression against immigrants facilitates oppression of women, kids, old, non-white, and poor. We need to stop ALL forms of oppression and discrimination.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 30 May 2008 3:34 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
and here is where you are coming from...from a previous post on the same subject.......The stooges of these outsiders who refuse to see this situation as anything but a racial issue ....and refuse to examine the problem in its entirety are trouble makers and have another agenda....we all want justice for all ....the sovereignty issue is very sensitive one....historical scores to settle are another...and economics as well play a part....for these outsiders to call these people who disagree with them jibaritos and racists and Dumbminicans is just as bad as the intolerant attitudes of some who preach hate in the opposite direction....this requires understanding and compassion...not bomb throwers....we are at the mercy of a leftist American press looking to sell paper
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 31 May 2008 9:10 AM
From: United States, Long island, NY
Baldoria23: If You want to be a human rights "Super hero" then you have to clearly specific many other issues like talking about other countries that are worse than Dominican Republic and therefore should be mentioned too.

I have never seeing anybody on the other side of the island taking responsabilities for their own mistakes and negative policies against themselves, instead there is the same annoying, cheap talk about pointing fingers to our country for not reason.

I agree with Mr. Gouletcolonial regarding the "Trashy" movie since there is not point to prove doing this but rather directing negative attention against Dominican Republic.

Read most of the posts (Baldoria23) on this blog and is so obvius that most of the people agree about the abusive campaign and non sense negative attention against Quisqueya.

If You want to be fair enough why don't You talk about solutions on Haiti not on Dominican Republic, unless that You go one way only.
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Written by: baldoria23, 31 May 2008 11:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
That's the thing... where there's smoke there's fire. Instead of being so defensive, maybe we should take a look and see if we do have some human rights issues. I don't deny or ignore the human rights issues in other countries (Burma, China, Cuba, Colombia, the U.S., the EU, Russia, Haiti, among man many others). But, we should not justify or compare our flaws with others, we should try to follow a higher calling. WE SHOULD STRIVE TO BE BETTER than average. To justify our human rights abuses by saying that others abuse them as well, is sub-optimal, irresponsible, and petty.

We are called to a higher path. One where ALL live are cherished, not one in which arbitrary & artificial differences are used to justify the oppression of some and the dominance of others.
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 31 May 2008 12:29 PM
From: United States, Long island, NY
Baldoria23: Ok You strike me with good sincerity. but what about talking on solutions on the other side done by Themselves instead of blaming our country and also I have "NEVER" seem the "Haitian" goverment creating viable and tangible solutions for their people.



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Written by: rafiell, 2 Jun 2008 7:47 AM
From: United States
Baldaria,

Well said, truly in all points.

it is such a pleasure to read/converse with someone/people who are intelligent , thoughtful and think critically.

Again, BRAVO!!
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Written by: dreadlocks, 2 Jun 2008 1:03 PM
From: United States
thank you again ,Baldoria, for trying to inject some sanity to the discourse. every sane person realises that there are human rights abuses in most every country, not the least of which is the USA itself. however, this is no excuse for overlooking problems here. silence is the greatest ally of injustice. if we seek to deny that we have work to do, or that others are just as bad, then we will never make any progress on this issue. we can always find some place worse, if we look hard enough. but we should not expend precious energy trying to find worse offenders. we should take the moral high ground and attempt to find solutions here. let Haiti, The Sudan, Brazil, and all the other usual suspects fix their own problems, while we fix ours.
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