SANTO DOMINGO.- Deputy Pelegrín Castillo (FNP-Santo Domingo) today warned that if the Border Security Corp (Cesfront) isn’t given the economic and moral support to patrol the border, the Armed Forces will face the consequences of failing to secure sovereignty and territorial integrity.
He said there are Dominican and foreign groups conspiring against Cesfront’s existence and that of the Dominican State itself. “Since Cesfront’s creation, the opposition was clear from a series of groups and interests who disqualified that organization in its first month.”
The lawmaker said those national and foreign sectors, which he didn’t identify, are interested in “erasing the border” to facilitate continuing the peaceful invasion of Haitians.
Castillo, a member of the Chamber of Deputies Border, Security and Defense Commission, said the situation in the Haitian border poses serious risks for the country, because the authority to control and monitor has yet to be defined, which is one of the problems Cesfront’s operations would have to overcome.
He said all information from the border is that the monitoring continues being “weak and vulnerable” against the traffic of illegal immigration, guns, drugs and food.
“The Army’s regular units cannot and should not continue carrying out that role and Cesfront won’t either if it doesn’t have a strong and national government support,” said the National District legislator in a statement sent to the media.
He said to face the situation the Armed Forces must show “with unequivocal facts that they are willing to protect the land, marine and aerial borders.”
Castillo, who stresses that security and border development policies should be top priority, cautions that those on immigration, labor, social security, environment, poverty and agriculture reform will not be effective “if the controls along the border aren’t adequate.”
He said in a recent visit to the Northwest he saw a massive presence of Haitians and uncontrolled immigration. “We saw with concern the great proliferation of guns of all the calibers and of all types in Montecristi, originating from Haiti, because the vigilance on the border is not adequate.”
From: United States, Long island, NY
Pelegrin Castillo, the FNP and the whole Castillo clan are the only true patriots in the whole country.
The priest Regino should shut up his mouth and move elsewhere, He wants to dictate his orders
to the Dominican military and this is unaceptable.
Written by: zak325, 5 Jun 2008 4:47 PM
From: United States
What does Castillo mean when he says the army cannot and should not carry out the role that Cesfront was created to ? What is an army for if not to protect and defend the Intrests of the nation? Castillio talks about a problem everyone in the Dominican government knows about, theres nothing new in his findings. What Castillo (and others) should do is to find ways to discover and eliminate the corruption from the command to the lowest rank soldiers. Pointing out the problem is easy, coming up with solutions is the hard part.
From: United States
The Pichardo drug smuggling network Santiago's Los Platanitos (Ensanche Caonabo) has a VERY strong drug supply from Haiti without interruption. A tigre & drug ex-convict "CHOPPO" (Jose Annibal Lopez Pichardo) micro-trafficks drugs and distibute to other barrios and his street team and pays both police & DNCD Notre to stay corrupt and DO NOT enforce the law.
There are Haitian children that are paid (used) to ingest and then quickly transport drugs to Santiago whereas the kids are later left on the streets to beg. In January, one youth was shot in the stomach at point-blank range by CHOPPO...the police did not even show up to investigate.
The level of drug corruption spreads to all levels of DR politics. It is shamefully amazing! All political parties want to be in the offices of leadership so they can claim a bigger piece of the illegal drug trafficking profits.
Almost 80% of the good efforts you read about is propaganda! DNCD recycles drugs BACK INTO THE SUPPLY LINES!
From: United States, NJ
The solution is cut clear : movilize all 6 infantry brigades to the border and get those soldiers from
generals down to earn their pay instead of rolling dyes and playing dominos at the barracks.
it is very pleasant for top ranking officers as well as low ranking officers to give orders from their hotel & command post at the capital N/D.
There was an article where US is buying super stucano planes for $4.5 US mns @ to be used by BLACKWATER INTERNATIONAL. My question is where does DR gvt gets the figures for the same plane been sold to DR at US$ 8.5 mns from Brazil? Who is getting the kick back in the gvt, or DR air force?
According to the report Brazil by law prohibits the sales of arms to any country in existing conflicts.
The 314-b1 even thought it's propelled driven plane manufactured by EMBRAER aviation, it is still considered a fighter plane, even if the 2 -50 caliber machine guns were removed before the sales
They could always add to it, on a later deal.
Written by: arcatype 
, 5 Jun 2008 6:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Well it seems that in 10 to 20 years from now, we will have 4 million haitians in D.R. What will happen then? we are surely losing the country to Haiti. It's always been the dream by the haitian goverment and it's small elite that the majority black haitian population leave there nation of origin. Haiti is a hopeless case deforestation, water shortage, poverty, no infrastructure, uneducated majority, extreme unemployment. The dominican goverment cant play games this is serious business, massive deportations now!!!!! Legalize 100,000 the rest deport them. If this continues at this rate, we will lose our identity as a nation. And many will leave the country, just like in the past. Remember 1801, 1805, 1822 and who knows what decade a great exodus will repeat itself?
Written by: arcatype , 5 Jun 2008 7:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Call me a racist i dont give a damn!!!!! Dominicans are being victimized by the international community, nobody wants this surge of people. In a country thats been ruled by criminals and "presidents for life" Haiti is a real threat to dominican progress. Let the military the navy, air force patrol the border, let the dominican goverment invest in a wall that divides the country. This very quiet invasion will be our doom! Try to answer this, Haiti had 22 leaders or presidents overthrown in a period when the C.I.A. did not even exist. From 1843 to 1915 now tell me who do you blame now? You cant blame the U.S. for this, the blame falls upon you! haitians for being an uncivilized society!!!!!
http://www.english.uwosh.edu/henson/Danticat/haiti_hist.html From: United States, Long island, NY
Dear Dominican brothers and sisters:
The only way that We can correct this issue is creating a movement to defend our freedom by doing something proactive.
I'm being wondering because For those of You that don't know there is a "Haitian" in Dominican Republic looking for means to create a "Haitian" party in our country.
According to Him, He has the right numbers to create a movement, even worse He quote
"To have a specific number of Haitians in the senate to support his Facist Haitian revolution"
Either We wake up and face the issue now or later will be too late for our children
Written by: arcatype , 5 Jun 2008 7:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
JR RUBIROSA What's the name of this haitian party.
Written by: arcatype , 5 Jun 2008 7:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
From: United States, Long island, NY
Arcatype:
I read it on the website livio.com and it was 2 Dominican newspapers
1st was almomento and another one that I can't recall right now
College students in Santiago are supposedly looking for ways to support and promote this
"creole gang"
If I get the information later on I'll post it don't worry about it
Greetings
Written by: arcatype , 5 Jun 2008 7:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Thank You JR RUBIROSA. I will further investigate this.
From: United States
i have read about this once the Haitians go to Dominican territory claiming that thats their land and when the authorities confront them they cant do nothing about it because its so densely populated with Haitians you actually think your in Haiti so the authorities just leave it alone they call it the moving border
From: United States, Long island, NY
The goverment is doing C... regarding this issue and eventhough I like LF I truly believe that the goverment is leaving this issue alone.
FNP party and the Castillo family are the only group of people that have the "Guts" to speak about it.
Either PLD do something about it or people will have to take some determination
Written by: rom1804 , 5 Jun 2008 8:23 PM
From: Zimbabwe
lol , lol, lol ahahahahahahaha. Oh this too funny. lol lol, lol ahahahaaahaha.
At least you have a METRO.
Can't we all just get along?
So who are you guys going to hire to build this electrical fence? "THE HAITIANS" I can see both of our people hocking up cables on these fences to get free electricity see Rubi our people have so much in common its only natural for us to merge and I'm all for that. I've dedicated the rest of my life to make that happen and it will happen Rubi and you can't stop US.
From: United States, Long island, NY
Room1804:
Please be respectful and say hello to the rest of people on these blog...................
So many people can't be wrong....................
Written by: arcatype , 5 Jun 2008 9:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If only Trujillo was alive, we would not be talking about Haiti. The whole island would be the Dominican Republic beautiful and green.
Written by: rom1804 , 5 Jun 2008 9:18 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Before Trujillo there was Jean Jacques Dessaline. One can say the same if Dessaline was alive, we would not be talking about DR. The whole island would be the Haitian Republic beautiful and green.
Like I told you guys before move to SPAIN if you don't like the idea of the HDR. Haitian-Dominican Republic.
Written by: arcatype , 5 Jun 2008 9:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
No! you need to stay in Haiti, or go back to Africa the Congo or Gabon. Oh i forgot your in Zimbabwe. Dessalines had the chance but the spanish and french did not allow it, sorry!!!!! so sorry!!!!!
Written by: arcatype , 5 Jun 2008 9:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
From: United States
room 1804 aka zimbawe. why dont all you move to AFRICA.
Written by: arcatype , 5 Jun 2008 10:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
They should be deported back to there mother land, they could start cutting down the trees for charcoal. theirs plenty of wood over there, they should drop all of you on the Kalahari. Im sure the tigers and the lions will love to feast and party with you. Until the sun goes down, then after that well? let's say you will be less populous. It's called population control african style.
Written by: rom1804 , 5 Jun 2008 10:33 PM
From: Zimbabwe
At least I have an AFRICA to move to but what do you have ? SPAIN? I think not.
From: Haiti
I simply had to respond to the Rubirosites. If Dessalines really had his way then Trujillo would've never existed dont you think? We'll go to Africa and you'll go to Spain where the Spaniards will think of you the same way you think of us: Those n#ggers claiming to be Spaniards that are silently invading the Iberian peninsula. To sum it all up, you would now be the "Haitians" of Spain.
From: United States
RUBYROSA.... WE NEED YOU BROTHER... JOIN THE FORUM
Me and Archtype are known there as the ONLINE TRINITARIOS...
ARCA-FRANC-ROSA
Written by: DannyVC, 5 Jun 2008 11:52 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
Can I just please have my country? I don't want to go to Spain I want to go to the Dominican Republic MY Country! HAITIANS go to HAITI, WTF the DR has the 2nd largest army in the Caribbean only second to to Cuba and somehow we cant control a freaking tiny border? WTF are those soldiers doing????
From: United States
"At least I have an AFRICA to move to but what do you have ? SPAIN? I think not."
How bout Latin America. Our racial composition is very similar to venezuela, colombia... Even Puerto Rico...
Today most dominicans are darker because the border didn't exist and many black dominicans... in fact most of them were once slave of the french... Spain did not bring so many slaves to the island.
From: United States
Rom1804,
"Before Trujillo there was Jean Jacques Dessaline. One can say the same if Dessaline was alive, we would not be talking about DR. The whole island would be the Haitian Republic beautiful and green."
So it's DR's fault that Haiti isn't green.... "Beautiful and Green" You mean “Poverty Stricken & Deforester”
Written by: DannyVC, 6 Jun 2008 12:01 AM
From: United States, New Jersey
Why did we have to end up next to Haiti why couldn't it be the Puerto Ricans?
Written by: rom1804 , 6 Jun 2008 12:04 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Danny you can always move. Leave the island I will buy you and all your family a first class plane ticket to Spain Puerto rico or wherever you want to go matter of fact I will and Can do that for every Dominican citizen who does not wish to live next to Haiti. BYE. SEE YA LATER. ADIOS
Written by: MrDom, 6 Jun 2008 7:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, DN
When people leave their country without wanting to come back (as Haitians are doing) is because patriotism and love for their land that's no exist, that’s why Haiti will never break away from its problems, poverty, deforestation and many other problems. You can not save and protect what you don't love...........
I have the pleasure to know some Haitians that really believe in their country and they are doing all they can to help their communities... because of them I feel respect for Haiti... because of their vision I want to help somehow this country... but if Haitians don’t believe in themselves and in their country… no matter how much international help they receive, they will never solve their problems.
From: United States
Zimbabwe ... if you have so much money to buy each Dominican a first class plane ticket
to any where in the planet... to leave the DR ....why don't you use that money instead to help out you brothers and sisters in haity.. maybe built some schools, or help farmers... with all that money ? It would be a big help.
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Jun 2008 7:57 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Better yet, why don't you help your fellow zimbabweans with that money, mr. Mugabe-boy? Unless you're like your fellow boss' wife, who spends all the time (and the zimbabweans money) buying Gucci articles. God only knows that the zimbabweans really need all the help that they can get. It's only me or have you guys noticed that, although the south africans have committed more heinous crimes on their fellow zimbabweans than the dominicans with the haitian inmigrants on recent days, it's only the DR which is being pulled by the ears on this inmigration issue? Talk about international hipocrisy. Just take a look:
http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.co....s-in-south-africa-zimbabwean.htmlCare to enlighten us on this south african-zimbabwean issue, Mugabe-boy?
Written by: rom1804 , 6 Jun 2008 8:07 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Ummh NO. With all that money why don't I just buy my fellow Haitians the other side of the island instead. You know what they say the grass is greener on the other side. I've traveled all over the world in my lifetime I've visited a lot of different countries but I will never set foot in DR until she is mine once again and carrying my Last name AYITI, AYIT, AYITI. and I swear before God & the Devil that I will not rest until I get her back.
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Jun 2008 8:09 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Why don't you wait for hell to freeze over first, Mugabe-boy? That's what would happen first in all likelihood before your dream of recreating Zimbabwe comes into reality.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
ohh boy if i was the Dominican President, this will be very drastic!! yep.. ill put this Africans in there place and deport all the Haitians we have here! just for a week as president ill do anything to get my country back in order!
From: United States, Long island, NY
LF is very weak on this issue and Dominican population has to put pressure on the goverment.
From: United States
"I will never set foot in DR until she is mine once again and carrying my Last name AYITI, AYIT, AYITI. and I swear before God & the Devil that I will not rest until I get her back."
Perhaps you are posting for the sake of stirring up the pot. Whatever. But if the above statement truly reflects your sentiments then you will never actually see DR and you will die in vain. Better start looking for a different venture to dedicate your life to. Absurd.
From: United States
“Why did we have to end up next to Haiti why couldn't it be the Puerto Ricans?”
The last time I look, the composition of the people of DR or PR is no different than those of Haiti, there are simply more darker skin people in the Haiti.
A wise man once said:
Stupid people: never forget nor forgive.
Naïve people: always forget and forgive
Wise people: forgive, but never forget.
All these hatred and disparaging comments toward Haitians make me wonder if those people in DR who hate Haitians so much fall into the ‘stupid people’ category. And, if those Haitians who are quick to ‘forget and forgive’ fall into the ‘Naïve people’ category. The DR will never forget nor forgive 1842, while the Haitians are quick to forget and forgive 1938’s massacre of 50K Haitians by Trujillo’s army. Haiti need to wise up, which is to keep Haitians millionaires from investing in DR, and prevent DR sugar industry from recruiting Haitians to DR, then we will see how closer DR want to be to PR
Written by: zak325, 6 Jun 2008 10:42 AM
From: United States
What I do not understand is why the avarage Dominican does NOTHING about the influx of illegal Haitains into their country. My girlfriend's mother always talks about the "Haitian invasion" like every other Dominican. My question is, if it's seen as such a problem, why is it all you do is talk about it ? Why don't Dominicans march to the Presidential palace or to the border by the thousands and demand action or, do what people along the border with Mexico have done (though I don't condone it), create a public frontier patrol. The least they could do is demand action from their politicians. If the politicos knew they would loose their jobs, they might do something about the border problem.
From: United States, Long island, NY
Zak325:
sounds good to me................Agree 100%
From: United States
Zak325,
The reason DR politicians are not too quick to put an electric fence or hound dogs at the border like you suggest is because many dozen of Haitian millionaires are investing millions in DR, and the DR gov’t is investing millions to help destabilize Haiti to induce reluctant Haitian millionaires to go investing in DR. Plus the DR sugar industry is recruiting thousand of Haitians because they could not do without that labor which they deem indispensable for their profit and the DR economy. Many Haitians do not want their people to go and suffer humiliation in the DR, but as mentioned ago because many people in DR 'don't forget nor forgive 1842-44', then they see it as their duty to advenge by helping to create chaos in Haiti and to humiliate the Haitians. Rome was not built in one day, so Haiti will be rebuilt; hopefully Haitians will then have the humility, which many in DR lack, to continue to live in peace next to DR (it will be wise approach, forgive, don't forget
From: United States
"and the DR gov’t is investing millions to help destabilize Haiti to induce reluctant Haitian millionaires to go investing in DR."
What sources can you provide to authenticate such a claim?
From: Haiti
Ok, I am really getting tired of this explosion when these articles come up. Rom1804 please tell me you're kidding? I personally don't appreciate you playing tough guy talking bullsh* online. Our compatriots that live down there can face repercussions due to your irresponsible comments. Rubi, the dominican of haitian descent that you refer to is mobilising dominicans of haitian descent to organise themselves politically to vote for a DOMINICAN PRESIDENT that will address there needs and all dominicans that are marginalised in the society. Im still waiting for you to dish his name out. Gosh you dominicans abroad don't know what the hell is going on in the DR. Some wish they were on the same island with PR well the puerto ricans say why is DR so close that they can take a yola to Boriquen and life goes on where disparities seem to be the norm.
From: Haiti
Im so sick and tired of reading these comments. Guys can we grow up and try to resolve this matter without expressing hatred and non sense. There isn't any haitian conspiracy to take over the DR. Haiti & DR have to reach some sort of equilibrium economically and have bi-lateral agreements that will benefit the whole island in the global economy. Haiti is a republic and DR is a republic share the same island but different countries and will remain so.
Written by: ny4life, 6 Jun 2008 11:20 AM
From: United States, New York, NY
Jabao, do you think DR wants to destablize Haiti? I mean all I see is LF advocating funds to help Haiti at the FAO World Food Summit in Rome and other international forums as well. What do you think about that Jabao?
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Jun 2008 11:20 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Well, if you're looking for the name of the candidate chap, jabao, it's Jean Baptiste Latorti (I suspect that the correct spelling of the surname is Latortue, but then, I don't need to remind you of the educational issues plaguing the island). Have a nice day, my friend.
Written by: ny4life, 6 Jun 2008 11:27 AM
From: United States, New York, NY
Dear Dominican brothers and sisters:
The only way that We can correct this issue is creating a movement to defend our freedom by doing something proactive.
I'm being wondering because For those of You that don't know there is a "Haitian" in Dominican Republic looking for means to create a "Haitian" party in our country.
According to Him, He has the right numbers to create a movement, even worse He quote
"To have a specific number of Haitians in the senate to support his Facist Haitian revolution"
Either We wake up and face the issue now or later will be too late for our children
============================================
I heard about the Haitian movement during the last elections when a formation of such party was taking place. DR needs to solve the issue of mass illegal Haitian migration. The fact that Haiti is unstable and the historical resentment by both countries makes one think that this could be settign the stage for such an invasion in DR.
From: United States, Long island, NY
Ny4life: good points...................Maybe creating a website movement would be a good idea
You sound like a very wise and smart person, waiting for Your feedback.
From the website could be something else.
Let me know please
From: United States
"I heard about the Haitian movement during the last elections when a formation of such party was taking place. DR needs to solve the issue of mass illegal Haitian migration. The fact that Haiti is unstable and the historical resentment by both countries makes one think that this could be settign the stage for such an invasion in DR."
I went to the website of this Baptiste Latorti guy just now. It seems to me to be a genuine grass roots movement among Dominicans of haitian descent to assert their rights as Dominicans. If that's the case then good for them. Let's not judge this movement until more information is available. In the mean time let's not feed into the hysteria created by the rumor mills.
From: Haiti
Lautaro, I knew his name I was waiting for the others to do there homework. Damn you, you've helped them cheat...jajaj..Happy friday..I hope you get the humour. Anyway sense you brought it out, I can say from what I know that he isn't trying to form a haitian invasion of taking over the government. That's just a propaganda to destabilise has grass root program and further use the so ever haitian invasion as a scare tactic for dominicans struggling day to day. Haitians have become the scapegoat for all of DR's shortcoming. All a politicians needs to do to divert his lack of responsibility is blame el haitaino. It seems to be working but I think the average dominican is starting to realize that haitian immigrant trying to survive isn't the one causing him to live in a precarious state. There is a problem with illegal immigrations from the west side but it also has benefited in the development of dominican republic due to the cheap labour and work ethics of haitians doing menial
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 12:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
From: Haiti
Look at all the constructin work and development going on in the DR. It's funny many dominicans especially the immigrants abroad love to brag about the development without thanking the cheap labour of haitian workers. Most haitians from the poor class actually don't complain about there plight and still have a smile on there face. The people benefiting are the yipeta dominicans that live on Anacaona Avenue while the poor dominican take its fustration out on the weakest link "el maldito Haitiano". I have said it b4 Haitian government needs to step up to take care of its citizens. CESFRONT is nothing but a FRONT. I have told you guys this b4, at first I thought it was the real Mccoy until my domestic employee brought 2 more of her family members from Haiti. The buscones brought them all the way to the capitol "La Pintura". I dont want to get into more detail but I was like ok I thought CESFRONT was the real deal. I offered to legalize her but she refuses. Go figure.
From: United States
Thanx for the article arcatype.
"La Fuerza Boschista llamó a las organizaciones a “mantenerse alerta y pronunciarse en contra de este sacrilegio y crimen de lesa patria a la memoria de los fundadores de la República, los restauradores y defensores de la democracia”."
Um, how is the the lambasting of a nascent poltical party defending democracy? Democracy entails the participation of all sectors of a society. When there are marginalized groups within a society who lack a politicial voice then true democracy does not exist in said society. That this group would claim to be disciples of Juan Bosch is ludicrous.
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Jun 2008 12:59 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
I have the sickening suspicion that the majority of the money financing those constructions might come from unsavory activities, i. e. money that comes from laundering or "dirty money", jabao. Because, how one can justify the abundance of these projects on a country that is barely recovering from a severe economic crisis?
From: Haiti
You know what bothers the hell out of me. When dominicans abroad that got lucky to have landed in the USA and have change let's say Washington Hgts to a mini DR talk about invasion. Have you guys taken into consideration about how americans feel about you? I mean I can understand of being concerned with the influx of illegal haitians in the DR but what about you. Blasting your music and flag on sneakers and those that have made somehtthing of themselves thanks to the opportunities vehemently oppose haitians doing that in there country. Look at the young dominican pelotero denied a visa because he is of haitian descent. This kid would of made DR proud and further on the map as the greatest place to pick young prospect but know. If DR wants to get recognition some things must be address. Retroactive laws where one was dominican all his life to find out that his name and colour has made him a target of not having papers.
Written by: rom1804 , 6 Jun 2008 1:08 PM
From: Zimbabwe
movimientodominicohaitiano.com
We need more organizations like this. The guy is only protecting lives regardless of shape, size, and form. Go Rubi go. oh his name is Ruben not Rubi sorry.
From: Haiti
These things are holding DR down and unfortunately the IC is picking on DR while South African blacks are killing Anglons and other immigrant neighbours. This is where I say thank God dominicans haven't reach that point...I know you guys talk alot of disparates but hey its better than what has been happening in S. AFrica although some incidents have caused harm to haitian nationals. We both need to ask ourselves hey why hispaniola has front stage while the most advance country in on the continent of AFRICA isn't gettign NGO"s running there. I know dominicans are fustrated and have the right to be but really see it from another point of view. There isn't no conspiracy to invade a sovereign nation that is next door. We must work together to keep haitians in Haiti and improving the DR also obtaining respect in the IC on our terms not as stooges being what to do about Haitian & dominican affairs.
From: Haiti
NY4life, I personally don't think there is a conspiracy for dominican elite to keep haiti in poverty that is ludricrous and usually said by fustrated people that want to blame someone. Now I don't think the DR elites are really trying to help either sense they are benefitting from an enormous source of cheap labour that have no protection under the dominican law and best we can stir up the majority illiterate dominicans to have them think haitians are the cause of their plight. So it is a win win situation. Now due to history and other events issues of haitian invasion is a toss up for anyone trying to get attention from the poor mass for there personal gain. Haven't u notice how haitians become a topic during elections. Amable tried to pull it off and it didn't help his campaign rather showed that him like any politician will go to any length to get votes. Now if you want to stop the flow of illegal haitians in the DR it has to come from Haiti's side. Like re-instating the army
From: Haiti
Where haitians guards will stop illegals from crossing the border. Illegals would be drawn away since they would have to pay to tolls to get across the border. Haiti needs to have a boom in the provinces where most of the haitians living in the DR can go back and build haiti like they did in DR for a reasonable salary that can prevent them from going to the DR. It is all economics people..Fernandez is a bright and one of the best president of the DR and has a good relation with Preval. I think things will improve for both countries but MINUSTAH need to pack up and leave there vacation resort and the opposition in Haiti need to reconcile. Also the drug cartel need to be charged a larger tax fee which will have them find somewhere else to move there product. let's be serious it going to get in but no some of it is staying and causing more problems. Crack heads that need a fix and have a dime so what does that cause "crime". hasta la vista..
Written by: santanar, 6 Jun 2008 2:06 PM
From: United States
That tiny border is equal to driving between NY and Delaware...
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 2:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jabaohaitiano you live in your own planet it's called denial, how can you compare the United States with Dominican Republic as far as the influx of illegal's, the U.S. is a fully developed country with 3 million square miles of land. The D.R. is merely 19,000 square miles not fully developed a second world country. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere with over 80% of it's population living in poverty, no vital infrastructure extreme unemployment no health care. Haiti relies mostly on food that comes from the U.S. and other developed countries, haiti cant feed itself. How can the D.R. take care of 2 million illegals on top of that take care of their own poor, they could deport 1 million haitians in 3 years that same amount will leave Haiti in a heart beat. Theres nothing in Haiti but poverty misery and political strife, nobody wants to invest in a place where their in danger of being kidnapped or killed. Or where theirs sporadic political violence sponsored.
Written by: santanar, 6 Jun 2008 2:12 PM
From: United States
Food for thought everyone; will a unify Quisqueya be possible? what will be the gain and what will be the loss
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 2:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cont., By political parties, Haiti was established over 200 years ago and still remains violent and extremely poor.
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 2:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haiti and the Congo sure perfect match, although the congolese probably dont want there country to become like the Sahara treeless.
Written by: santanar, 6 Jun 2008 2:30 PM
From: United States
Que fue lo que quisiste decir en el ultimo mensaje? English is ok
From: Haiti
arcatype you can wish all you want but the only home we have is in Haiti on the island of Hispaniola. The Haitian gov't needs to put immigration on its political forefront much the same way the D.R needs to and botyh gov'ts need to strengthen bi-lateral policies that will benefit the average paysan (Haitian and Dominican). That silent invasion is a scapegoat used by xenophobic Dominicans to assert their anti-immigration causes. Yes there are too many Haitians in the D.R but they're simply people looking for work trying to eke out a decent life and they could careless about "taking over" the D.R which would actually be near impossible. There isn't no Balkanization as the political boundaries are recognized and established by both countries so no matter how many Haitians are in the D.R the land will remain Dominican land. The group of Dominico-Haitians in D.R. are starting a movement to support and find a presidential candidate (a Dominican) that would see their strife of dealing against
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 2:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jabaohaitian How about the haitians living in flatbush, Brooklyn. And how do American anglo's look at haitians, do they see them as civilized human beings?
From: Haiti
(cont'd) racism and discrimination and to address these problems with solutions. And Jabao is right in that I don't think that most of you U.S residing Dominicans (save for a few) actually know the specifics, reasons, and causes of what is happening on the island when it comes to Haitians and Dominicans. The Rubirosites wish they were next to PR but the deal would be the same in the end except that in this case the DR would be on the negative end of things. It's called karma. Fernandez has been a great Dominican president and he has advocated for change and support for Haiti but once again, the demonization of your neighbor will do nothing but put a stench of negativity upon you hence the international community's claims of racism and prejudice at Haitians in the Dominican Republic. Jabao said it earlier, thank god we're not at the level of hostility that exists in South Africa and its neighboring countries but do you think we'll be getting anywhere as nations with all this conflict
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Any political party with a pro-haiti agenda should be banned, and will be banned by dominicans believe me that wont last!!!!!
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 2:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As far as karma is concern, haiti has self inflicted it's own destruction. That's your own karma story.
From: Haiti
(con't)Cutting contact and interaction with Haiti would not only be unwise but stupid seeing to the fact that Haiti imports a great deal of Dominican products and Dominicans actually do benefit from cheap labor. Construction companies would miss Haitian migrant workers in replacement for the average Dominican worker who would demand a higher wage generally. The D.R has been a double-edged sword for Haiti in that although they have aided Haiti somewhat, they have not been supportive (and perhaps harmful) to Haiti as well. The "online trinitarios" (the Rubirosites' beloved moniker) will simply have to deal with the fact that the island will always remain as two separate but dependent countries and both countries will have to act as such. I want my country to prosper and I'd like it if the D.R could one day become a close ally of Haiti's but I see that far from happening when so many Dominicans think like the trinitarios do. Conspiracy this and conspiracy that, I have yet to see a
From: United States
" how do American anglo's look at haitians, do they see them as civilized human beings? "
To the whites here the haitians are no different than other predominately African-descended peoples. Hell, most anglos would fail to make the distinction between a darkskinned Dominican and a haitian and that's a fact. To most Anglos black is black is black.
From: Haiti
(cont'd) uprising within the D.R. Strict enforcement of illegal immigration to the D.R would be just and good however the anti-Haitian sentiment creates nothing but an atmosphere of hate which can only result in negativity.
From: United States
"Any political party with a pro-haiti agenda should be banned"
But does the organization being discussed have a pro-Haitian agenda or are they simply trying to assert their rights within the society they were born in? If the latter is the case then it is not a pro-haitian agenda but a civil rights one and if that is the case then more power to them.
Written by: santanar, 6 Jun 2008 2:55 PM
From: United States
HAYkickyouintheSHIN, can you tell me if the average Haitian will agreed to live under a Dominican government?
Written by: DannyVC, 6 Jun 2008 3:02 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
I'm pretty sure the average Haitian doesn't give a damn about what government he is living under as long as there's a job for him, enough food for him to eat and a relative sense of peace to his life.
From: Haiti
Cibaeno is right in that in the eyes of many (or most ) Anglos, immigrants from the Caribbean islands, whether Hispanic or non-Hispanic are all regarded as the same. Either black or non-white and to most of them it is the same. Washington Heights, Flatbush, South Bronx, East NY, Sunset Park and all other enclaves are regarded as formerly white "American" blue collar neighborhoods that are now "invaded" by "non-American" hoodlums (Jamaicans, Dominicans, Haitians, Puerto Ricans, etc.). White Americans laugh and scoff at the fact that people from the same island that are predominately of African descent (whether black or mulatto) hate each other so much and although we have some notable differences, to them we are the same and I'm not saying that is true but it is a fact here in the U.S.
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 3:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cibaeno75 What are you trying to say? Likewise they see all mexicans as browns, how about African "Americans" they are black not white but they are as american as a white american go figure cibaeno75.
From: Haiti
"I'm pretty sure the average Haitian doesn't give a damn about what government he is living under as long as there's a job for him, enough food for him to eat and a relative sense of peace to his life."
That would go for anyone regardless of nationality if they lived lives of squalor and destitution. Its a basic human need and desire.
From: Haiti
arcatype what cibaeno is trying to say and what you simply cannot comprehend is that in America if you come from the Caribbean or Latin America, for the most part you are a minority and the same way you assert your biased patriotic views of your country, there are those in America that are so nationalistic and racist to the point of being against all things that are not white American and therefore have strong disdain for minorities (even black Americans) and the cultural practices and influences they bring.
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 3:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As far as white america is concerned i could care less, the Dominican Republic is the subject matter here not the U.S.A., so stay within the parameter.
From: Haiti
HAYkickyouintheSHIN, can you tell me if the average Haitian will agreed to live under a Dominican government?
If by average you mean extremely poor then I can say that the average Haitian would agree to live under any government that provides him/her and his/her family with a decent way of life. As I said before the same would apply to any person living in absolutely dire circumstances regardless of nationality.
From: United States
"Cibaeno75 What are you trying to say? Likewise they see all mexicans as browns, how about African "Americans" they are black not white but they are as american as a white american go figure cibaeno75"
I'm not TRYING to say anything. I said it. Many anglos do not diffentiate much between people of color. Put a dark Dominican and a haitian in front of your average white here and you'll get that wonderful reply: "same $h1t". As a matter of fact many anglos take a second look at me when I tell them I'm Dominican. At first glance they guess I'm Puerto Rican. Many anglos (and indeed many latins) assume that all Dominicans are dark skinned. If you don't beleive me then I suggest you get out more next time you come to the states.
From: Haiti
Arcatype, Listen you know nothing of Haiti and only rant about the negatives. I can do the same with the DR and no it isn't a 2nd world country where blackout is a common occurence. Look at you pushing DR more than it is and pressing down Haiti more than it is not. When will you grow up and realize that both countries are dependent on each other but are two different countries with no agenda of uniting. I mean you are such a hypocrite. So it's cool for dominicans to organize in the USA for their interest here but haitians doing so in the DR is being Pro-haitian. Want do you want boy. You blame haiti for everything damn if we do and damn if we don't.. Dude, you don't even know DR? but sure have alot to say about haitians living there. If you look at the books DR is getting rich off haiti's upheaval too bad the average dominican doesn't get to see none that money to buy a new home in Cacicazgos. Dude most of you dominicans are from poor backgrounds..I see you no different
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 3:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As far as the average dominican they are concerned! being bombarded by illegal's from Haiti, we dont want to become haiti.
From: Haiti
country for 20 plus years and can't speak english..Jes, I american..Get real dude..humble yourself..USA has given a poor boy like you a chance to rant and you are getting besides yourself. In DR you have no pull and still seen as la gente pobre..mal educado..no affirmative action here..even haitians im middle class living in the DR would not associate with you..this ain't Kansas..humble urself..and love what you have and appreciate..walk in there shoes b4 talking garbage..and yes illegal immigration should be address..civically..is it embedded in your head. How are you becoming haiti..listen white expats will spread its golden superior seeds among haitians and dominicans and DR will stay a majority mulatto..There..y punto DR remain the same.como siempre..no j***
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 3:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jabaohaitian we depend on Haiti for what????? If exploiting people is a grand thing then i could understand why the majority in haiti are called peasants, a word you like to throw at people you self hating fool. The average dominican the poor masses suffer because of the exploitation of your sorry asses. That's why there wages cant meet the demands of the high prices of food. Do me a favor and stop trying to speak for dominicans youre a haitian so talk about your country. Dont say NADA about D.R. stay in your home!!!!!
From: Dominican Republic
The Haitians have become masters of excuses they have one for every situation . Just when your not expecting it they pop up; with a new one . To bad you can’t eat excuses .
From: Haiti
Arcatype I am haitian and very proud..I guess I've touched a nerve..you spigger..listen Im not in the mood today..ok, im not others here..no te pones bravo online..I'll give you my DR number and I will wipe your little spigger behind up and down indepedencia ave all the way to the airport. I speak as myself and a proud haitian national..as I said you know nothing of your country..keep reading mediocre books and going to the parade in the city to show off your dominican heritage and visit your family de vez en cuando..better yet marry your cousin so she can get her papers to come to disparities with you online..how soon we forget how we use to live platanos and salami as main course meals... This is address to arcatype not the dominican people.. how many toilets your mother wash to give you what u have now..urban peasant..lol..
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 3:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jabaohaitiano Oh dont apologize you self agrandizer idiot, everything that you post comes from your bowels words full of defecation!!!!!
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 3:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
They have no defense because that country if you can call it that! is really a toilet.
From: Dominican Republic
This web site is just like the Dr, Haitians are trying to take over…….
From: Haiti
Listen I will give you my number or Ill met you in the USA..and we can discuss this like men..on your turf..what do you say? I am dead serious. As I said having a moody day and can't bare poor idiots like you talking things they know nothing about..what do you know about the DR..dude probably has a fake acta de nacimientoor an older family member..how old are you really? Prices are high are you coming down this year. How can one address a fool that doesn't know anything..online trinatarios..simply turn off the PC and bye bye..
From: Dominican Republic
Why don’t you go sacrifice a chicken or something? that’s what you people do right?
From: United States
arcatype, you posted:
"Jabaohaitian How about the haitians living in flatbush, Brooklyn. And how do American anglo's look at haitians, do they see them as civilized human beings? "
A few posts later:
"As far as white america is concerned i could care less, the Dominican Republic is the subject matter here not the U.S.A., so stay within the parameter."
Do you see the contradictions in your postings?
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 3:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
All you got to do is read the history of Dominican Republic these spineless fools, have always crossed over. We never invaded or occupied them, because we dont want to be part of them Jabaohaitiano go to a haitian thread and talk all the phony b.s. you want. And agrandize yourself and call the dark haitians the 97% of them PEASANTS.
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 3:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cibaeno75 Learn how to read comprehend the english language, then adress me O.K.!
From: United States
"Cibaeno75 Learn how to read comprehend the english language, then adress me O.K.!"
LOL..if you say so. Carry on niño. Sigue comiendo fiao.
Written by: DannyVC, 6 Jun 2008 4:02 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
lol "To bad you can’t eat excuses" that was pretty funny. If excuses could be eaten Haiti would be the smorgasbord of the Caribbean.
From: Haiti
hehehe! Arcatype has just accused Cibaeno of not comprehending English!? That's a good one! Many times, Arcatype, was I forced simply for the sake of debate, to read and try to understand your linguistically flawed posts that not only contradict each other but often goes on a tangent unrelated to the topic being discussed at hand! Similar to the posts of Rubirosa but better written.
From: Haiti
Arcatype,
Again shaking my head..it's that american influence in you trying to be PC. Haiti is comprise of majority of peasants..colour has nothing to do with being a peasant..obviously in the DR one can go to el cibao and find many white peasants. You are so insecure about yourself. Take a look in the mirror. Hispaniola is one island with two different sovereign country..how many time do I have to re-iterate this to you "urban peasant". That's the new term for today.. If you are so game start the crusade with haitians from the borough of Brooklyn..you won't even get to DR to claim victory..silly that en el dia de hoy hay gente como tu..have you no shame..it's 2008 and peasants have cell phones in haiti and DR, this guy is talking about invasion..ay mi madre..disparates.. I think they are more worried about minutes on their phone..llamame pa'tra no tengo minuto..lol..
From: Dominican Republic
Arcatype, let these Haitians and their sympathizers think they are winning because the Dominican people will soon wake up to this crap! y e’pa fuera que van!
From: Haiti
Hay,
This guy is really insecure and trying to be super dominican. Can we blame upbringing in the DR or USA..who knows..I prefer Rubi..at least I know he had a couple of clairin b4 typing nonsense this type is sober and aware his driving in the dark with no head lights..I guess he still think he's in the DR..lol. Can;t teach a donkey new tricks no matter how hard you train him.. For some reasons these post generate alot of internal issues people have in them...WHY???
From: Haiti
Casanova,
Are we playing a monopoly game..win what? Are you guys serious..I am going to come out with a video game where haitians and domincans go in all out war..keep you guys busy doing something..is there a war I dont know about?
From: Haiti
I preferred Rubi as well..lol! He actually was quite humorous in his strong beliefs of blind patriotism. These guys simply have ridden on his back and have essentially started their own idiotic "trinitarios" movement that will result in nothing but more stupidity and tension. You guys actually are putting shame upon yourselves by thinking that ethnic cleansing or a diplomatic ban is the way to protect your country from a "threat" that simply wants to work. Really sad.
Written by: arcatype , 6 Jun 2008 4:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I agree Casanova.
From: Dominican Republic
I have no problem with Haitians they are some of the most humble and pleasant people in the world(they possess that old soul that the Dominican campecino use to have(before he moved to the Urban city). What I do have a problem with is people who may have the capabilities’ to help there country, complaining all the time; instead of going to Haiti and doing something positive. I have been to Haiti many times(I own a company that imports heavy restaurant industrial equit. From many countries) I do business there and what gets me is how a people with such a large migrant population can still live in 1700’s.
From: Dominican Republic
If only her people cared about the situation instead of” drowning in a glass of water” lets get real ok! Haitians need to come back to their country and engage the government full on; then they need to implement soil rehabilitation campaign(the soil conditions in Haiti have been grossly blow out of proportion, the soil can be rehabbed I have done soil feasibilities studies in Haiti(I'm an agronomist by both education and trade)while simultaneously teaching her people not destroy the land . Haiti can get back on her feet but people abroad need to stop bitching and start doing before is really to late.
From: Haiti
(cont'd from comment below) the country. Would you ? I would think not.
From: Haiti
Well Casanova at least you're a worthwhile nationalist and have been to Haiti unlike your sheltered and discriminatory compatriots that insult without knowledge of what the heck they're talking about. I hope you don't use your "trade and skill set" to encourage the bashing of Haitians that migrate to your country especially seeing to the fact that I assume you are an educated individual and therefore should know the concept of ethics and morality. Challenging government policy as a collective diasporic group isn't an easy task as people think it may be. Unlike the DR, Haiti doesn't have dual nationality and that limits our "voice" if you may say so. Furthermore, because of this, we are not citizens of Haiti in contrast to Dominicans citizens of the U.S that can still claim Dominican citizenship. I certainly wouldn't invest in a politically unstable country, judging from the risk and my limited capability of influencing the state's policies, no matter how much I loved and had pride for
From: Dominican Republic
First off ! that’s another excuse; second, why? do u come on this web site to engage individuals if you u urself don’t believe in your people, that’s sad . People like you is why Haiti is the way it is today , you always stop to think about what would be the best for u, but your people are starving and need educated individuals to take charge but that just not convenient for people that’s are need in Haiti today, because it’s just not on ur schedule. Hayshin, nobody said it would be easy sometimes u just have to say WTF and do it any way u know why because it’s the right thing to do . Fight for ur rights and take Haiti back(which will bring the situation into stasis) then maybe we can have a more amicable discussions on social cultural dynamics, ethnographies on both side of the island..
From: Haiti
Excuse? I told you a cold hard fact, a fact which is an impediment for the diaspora to spur significant change in Haiti and you consider that an excuse? WTF are u talking about? How is stating the reality of the situation mean I don't believe in my people? Please enlighten me. I want to hear from the Dominican agronomist and businessman who thinks he knows what the solution to Haiti's plight is.
From: Dominican Republic
Haitians abroad need to unite and since the Gov. needs the remittances to drive the local eco. it shouldn’t be hard to force their hand, it would take some unity and some hard work but this is not exactly a mission to mars get ur rights back.
P.S going on internet to a Dominican Web site and bitching is not doing a thing for Haiti
Written by: zak325, 6 Jun 2008 5:58 PM
From: United States
A country can only be rebuilt by those within. Look at Lebanon, a country utterly destroyed from 1976 to 1996. There were out side forces who manipulated the the population, but at a certain point, they realized they must be pragmatic and put their differences behind them(somewhat) in order to save the country. Thousands migrated to local arab countries and the west, some even migrated to Haiti. Once the fighting ended, many thousands returned to their homeland to invest and rebuild Lebanon. Of course there are major differences between Haiti and Lebanon, but the solution to their problems are similar. Once Haitians tire of bad, non-representitive government and recover their sense of national pride (which is hard when you never felt like the country was actualy yours) they will demand a government that represents their interests. Haitians in the diaspora should then feel confident to invest, return and there would be little reason to leave. This CAN happen, just when is the question.
From: Haiti
1. You've been the one bitching the whole time on Haitians "invading" your country and for Haiti to get its act together.
2. Remittances can't be used as a political incentive because the diaspora will always send money to their families regardless so there's no idea in that. Stop sending money to my family so that I can vote? I don't think so.
3. National pride has nothing to do with national influence. We can't demand a gov't that represents our interests because we're not citizens, we don't live there, and the gov't can only affect the Haitians living on the island not the diaspora. Don't you think there have been diaspora rallies and seminars in the enclaves of South Florida on addressing these issues with the Haitian gov't? Until the country changes a few of its policies and starts to embrace the diaspora as part of them, there will always be just so much that we can do. End of story.
From: Dominican Republic
"You've been the one bitching the whole time on Haitians "invading" your country and for Haiti to get its act together."
If I was a Haitian, I wouldn’t be bitching, I would be DOING, or at least die trying. Maybe ya can organize a campaign to discredit Haiti internationaly for denying u, ur rights now that would be poetic.
From: Haiti
P.S I came to this website to learn from you people on your country and your opinions and views on my country. It's sad that the great majority of you people have such disdain for my country and I am not pushing a pro-Haiti agenda on here, simply stating the reality of things. Naturally, whenever Haiti is mentioned on this site, nothing but insult after insult after insult is thrown at us and although I can't change one's views (and I'm not trying to) on Haiti, I'll defend my homeland and there's nothing anti-Dominican or threatening about that. I participate on a great deal of forums because I enjoy discussing topics pertaining to the Caribbean and trust me I'm an open-minded guy so there'll be no country-hating on my part. The debates and discussions on here with the likes of Lautaro and Cibaeno and Jabao have been insightful and objective and I will continue to discuss in a friendly atmosphere, the Dominican Republic and its relativity to Haiti and vice/versa.
From: Dominican Republic
Again, I have no problems with haitians; they are for the most part great people, but something
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The priest Regino should shut up his mouth and move elsewhere, He wants to dictate his orders
to the Dominican military and this is unaceptable.
There are Haitian children that are paid (used) to ingest and then quickly transport drugs to Santiago whereas the kids are later left on the streets to beg. In January, one youth was shot in the stomach at point-blank range by CHOPPO...the police did not even show up to investigate.
The level of drug corruption spreads to all levels of DR politics. It is shamefully amazing! All political parties want to be in the offices of leadership so they can claim a bigger piece of the illegal drug trafficking profits.
Almost 80% of the good efforts you read about is propaganda! DNCD recycles drugs BACK INTO THE SUPPLY LINES!
generals down to earn their pay instead of rolling dyes and playing dominos at the barracks.
it is very pleasant for top ranking officers as well as low ranking officers to give orders from their hotel & command post at the capital N/D.
There was an article where US is buying super stucano planes for $4.5 US mns @ to be used by BLACKWATER INTERNATIONAL. My question is where does DR gvt gets the figures for the same plane been sold to DR at US$ 8.5 mns from Brazil? Who is getting the kick back in the gvt, or DR air force?
According to the report Brazil by law prohibits the sales of arms to any country in existing conflicts.
The 314-b1 even thought it's propelled driven plane manufactured by EMBRAER aviation, it is still considered a fighter plane, even if the 2 -50 caliber machine guns were removed before the sales
They could always add to it, on a later deal.
The only way that We can correct this issue is creating a movement to defend our freedom by doing something proactive.
I'm being wondering because For those of You that don't know there is a "Haitian" in Dominican Republic looking for means to create a "Haitian" party in our country.
According to Him, He has the right numbers to create a movement, even worse He quote
"To have a specific number of Haitians in the senate to support his Facist Haitian revolution"
Either We wake up and face the issue now or later will be too late for our children
I read it on the website livio.com and it was 2 Dominican newspapers
1st was almomento and another one that I can't recall right now
College students in Santiago are supposedly looking for ways to support and promote this
"creole gang"
If I get the information later on I'll post it don't worry about it
Greetings
FNP party and the Castillo family are the only group of people that have the "Guts" to speak about it.
Either PLD do something about it or people will have to take some determination
At least you have a METRO.
Can't we all just get along?
So who are you guys going to hire to build this electrical fence? "THE HAITIANS" I can see both of our people hocking up cables on these fences to get free electricity see Rubi our people have so much in common its only natural for us to merge and I'm all for that. I've dedicated the rest of my life to make that happen and it will happen Rubi and you can't stop US.
Please be respectful and say hello to the rest of people on these blog...................
So many people can't be wrong....................
Like I told you guys before move to SPAIN if you don't like the idea of the HDR. Haitian-Dominican Republic.
RUBYROSA.... WE NEED YOU BROTHER... JOIN THE FORUM
Me and Archtype are known there as the ONLINE TRINITARIOS...
ARCA-FRANC-ROSA
How bout Latin America. Our racial composition is very similar to venezuela, colombia... Even Puerto Rico...
Today most dominicans are darker because the border didn't exist and many black dominicans... in fact most of them were once slave of the french... Spain did not bring so many slaves to the island.
"Before Trujillo there was Jean Jacques Dessaline. One can say the same if Dessaline was alive, we would not be talking about DR. The whole island would be the Haitian Republic beautiful and green."
So it's DR's fault that Haiti isn't green.... "Beautiful and Green" You mean “Poverty Stricken & Deforester”
I have the pleasure to know some Haitians that really believe in their country and they are doing all they can to help their communities... because of them I feel respect for Haiti... because of their vision I want to help somehow this country... but if Haitians don’t believe in themselves and in their country… no matter how much international help they receive, they will never solve their problems.
to any where in the planet... to leave the DR ....why don't you use that money instead to help out you brothers and sisters in haity.. maybe built some schools, or help farmers... with all that money ? It would be a big help.
Care to enlighten us on this south african-zimbabwean issue, Mugabe-boy?
Perhaps you are posting for the sake of stirring up the pot. Whatever. But if the above statement truly reflects your sentiments then you will never actually see DR and you will die in vain. Better start looking for a different venture to dedicate your life to. Absurd.
The last time I look, the composition of the people of DR or PR is no different than those of Haiti, there are simply more darker skin people in the Haiti.
A wise man once said:
Stupid people: never forget nor forgive.
Naïve people: always forget and forgive
Wise people: forgive, but never forget.
All these hatred and disparaging comments toward Haitians make me wonder if those people in DR who hate Haitians so much fall into the ‘stupid people’ category. And, if those Haitians who are quick to ‘forget and forgive’ fall into the ‘Naïve people’ category. The DR will never forget nor forgive 1842, while the Haitians are quick to forget and forgive 1938’s massacre of 50K Haitians by Trujillo’s army. Haiti need to wise up, which is to keep Haitians millionaires from investing in DR, and prevent DR sugar industry from recruiting Haitians to DR, then we will see how closer DR want to be to PR
sounds good to me................Agree 100%
The reason DR politicians are not too quick to put an electric fence or hound dogs at the border like you suggest is because many dozen of Haitian millionaires are investing millions in DR, and the DR gov’t is investing millions to help destabilize Haiti to induce reluctant Haitian millionaires to go investing in DR. Plus the DR sugar industry is recruiting thousand of Haitians because they could not do without that labor which they deem indispensable for their profit and the DR economy. Many Haitians do not want their people to go and suffer humiliation in the DR, but as mentioned ago because many people in DR 'don't forget nor forgive 1842-44', then they see it as their duty to advenge by helping to create chaos in Haiti and to humiliate the Haitians. Rome was not built in one day, so Haiti will be rebuilt; hopefully Haitians will then have the humility, which many in DR lack, to continue to live in peace next to DR (it will be wise approach, forgive, don't forget
What sources can you provide to authenticate such a claim?
The only way that We can correct this issue is creating a movement to defend our freedom by doing something proactive.
I'm being wondering because For those of You that don't know there is a "Haitian" in Dominican Republic looking for means to create a "Haitian" party in our country.
According to Him, He has the right numbers to create a movement, even worse He quote
"To have a specific number of Haitians in the senate to support his Facist Haitian revolution"
Either We wake up and face the issue now or later will be too late for our children
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I heard about the Haitian movement during the last elections when a formation of such party was taking place. DR needs to solve the issue of mass illegal Haitian migration. The fact that Haiti is unstable and the historical resentment by both countries makes one think that this could be settign the stage for such an invasion in DR.
You sound like a very wise and smart person, waiting for Your feedback.
From the website could be something else.
Let me know please
I went to the website of this Baptiste Latorti guy just now. It seems to me to be a genuine grass roots movement among Dominicans of haitian descent to assert their rights as Dominicans. If that's the case then good for them. Let's not judge this movement until more information is available. In the mean time let's not feed into the hysteria created by the rumor mills.
"La Fuerza Boschista llamó a las organizaciones a “mantenerse alerta y pronunciarse en contra de este sacrilegio y crimen de lesa patria a la memoria de los fundadores de la República, los restauradores y defensores de la democracia”."
Um, how is the the lambasting of a nascent poltical party defending democracy? Democracy entails the participation of all sectors of a society. When there are marginalized groups within a society who lack a politicial voice then true democracy does not exist in said society. That this group would claim to be disciples of Juan Bosch is ludicrous.
We need more organizations like this. The guy is only protecting lives regardless of shape, size, and form. Go Rubi go. oh his name is Ruben not Rubi sorry.
To the whites here the haitians are no different than other predominately African-descended peoples. Hell, most anglos would fail to make the distinction between a darkskinned Dominican and a haitian and that's a fact. To most Anglos black is black is black.
But does the organization being discussed have a pro-Haitian agenda or are they simply trying to assert their rights within the society they were born in? If the latter is the case then it is not a pro-haitian agenda but a civil rights one and if that is the case then more power to them.
That would go for anyone regardless of nationality if they lived lives of squalor and destitution. Its a basic human need and desire.
If by average you mean extremely poor then I can say that the average Haitian would agree to live under any government that provides him/her and his/her family with a decent way of life. As I said before the same would apply to any person living in absolutely dire circumstances regardless of nationality.
I'm not TRYING to say anything. I said it. Many anglos do not diffentiate much between people of color. Put a dark Dominican and a haitian in front of your average white here and you'll get that wonderful reply: "same $h1t". As a matter of fact many anglos take a second look at me when I tell them I'm Dominican. At first glance they guess I'm Puerto Rican. Many anglos (and indeed many latins) assume that all Dominicans are dark skinned. If you don't beleive me then I suggest you get out more next time you come to the states.
"Jabaohaitian How about the haitians living in flatbush, Brooklyn. And how do American anglo's look at haitians, do they see them as civilized human beings? "
A few posts later:
"As far as white america is concerned i could care less, the Dominican Republic is the subject matter here not the U.S.A., so stay within the parameter."
Do you see the contradictions in your postings?
LOL..if you say so. Carry on niño. Sigue comiendo fiao.
Again shaking my head..it's that american influence in you trying to be PC. Haiti is comprise of majority of peasants..colour has nothing to do with being a peasant..obviously in the DR one can go to el cibao and find many white peasants. You are so insecure about yourself. Take a look in the mirror. Hispaniola is one island with two different sovereign country..how many time do I have to re-iterate this to you "urban peasant". That's the new term for today.. If you are so game start the crusade with haitians from the borough of Brooklyn..you won't even get to DR to claim victory..silly that en el dia de hoy hay gente como tu..have you no shame..it's 2008 and peasants have cell phones in haiti and DR, this guy is talking about invasion..ay mi madre..disparates.. I think they are more worried about minutes on their phone..llamame pa'tra no tengo minuto..lol..
This guy is really insecure and trying to be super dominican. Can we blame upbringing in the DR or USA..who knows..I prefer Rubi..at least I know he had a couple of clairin b4 typing nonsense this type is sober and aware his driving in the dark with no head lights..I guess he still think he's in the DR..lol. Can;t teach a donkey new tricks no matter how hard you train him.. For some reasons these post generate alot of internal issues people have in them...WHY???
Are we playing a monopoly game..win what? Are you guys serious..I am going to come out with a video game where haitians and domincans go in all out war..keep you guys busy doing something..is there a war I dont know about?
P.S going on internet to a Dominican Web site and bitching is not doing a thing for Haiti
2. Remittances can't be used as a political incentive because the diaspora will always send money to their families regardless so there's no idea in that. Stop sending money to my family so that I can vote? I don't think so.
3. National pride has nothing to do with national influence. We can't demand a gov't that represents our interests because we're not citizens, we don't live there, and the gov't can only affect the Haitians living on the island not the diaspora. Don't you think there have been diaspora rallies and seminars in the enclaves of South Florida on addressing these issues with the Haitian gov't? Until the country changes a few of its policies and starts to embrace the diaspora as part of them, there will always be just so much that we can do. End of story.
If I was a Haitian, I wouldn’t be bitching, I would be DOING, or at least die trying. Maybe ya can organize a campaign to discredit Haiti internationaly for denying u, ur rights now that would be poetic.