Santo Domingo.- Haiti senator Rudolf Boulos organizes a meeting with his Dominican colleagues for October, to discussthe problem of Haitian workers and bilateral trade, among other topics.
He said the meeting between Dominican and Haitian legislators would deal with the issue of the around 1 million Haitians who work in numerous industries and in different areas of Dominican territory. He said the same applies to trade, where in his view an agreement to establish clear rules is needed.
He said his country needs Dominicans products, but at better prices, because informality leads to abuses against Haitians consumers. “As a Haitian legislator concerned about the needs of my country and fully aware of the food crisis that affects the entire world, and especially the poorest countries, we among them, we place our grain of sand to create strategies and tools aimed at finding solutions to these common problems."
Boulos said as lawmakers, the legislators of the two countries are the most qualified to find solutions to common problems.
From: United States, Long island, NY
MMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????????
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
"Boulos said as lawmakers, the legislators of the two countries are the most qualified to find solutions to common problems." this is true ....they are also the most qualified to screw it up .....good luck to them in their endeavour
From: United States, Long island, NY
GC:
Very wise comments, like always raising the bar and going the extra mile.
LOL
From: United States
Herr Doktor Johann .. you must be completely recovered from brain surgery .. thank God you are starting to make sense again .. I hearby appoint you as the DR ambassador to Haiti .. you are to report to my orifice at 24:00 EST .. Jawohl Herr Doktor Johann?
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Looks like those "Haitians" are extending an olive branch huh?
Written by: anthonyC, 15 Aug 2008 7:31 AM
From: United States
Soup,
An Olive Branch? Ha. They want to see if they can cover their asses on the fact that their country is run by scum.
From: United States, Long island, NY
Already creep out about the outcome of this meeting..........................
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
People always manage to find a way to sour a good article....And I'm surprised this article has not reached more than 20 comments yet. Maybe it's not bad enough.
Written by: anthonyC, 15 Aug 2008 10:05 AM
From: United States
Why is it a good article? Is it good because it suits your agenda?
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Typical rhetoric from AnthonyC.....Not wanting to see the positive of Haitian-Dominican relation when it's right in his face.
Written by: anthonyC, 15 Aug 2008 12:05 PM
From: United States
Soup,
What positives? Positives for you maybe.
My favorite line is...."He said his country needs Dominicans products, but at better prices,"
Let me translate that for you...
We are such corrupt theives that even the Haitian people are begining to figure it out. So we need the Dominican Republic to GIVE us food or else we will push another 100,000 haitians across the border.
The experiment that is Haiti has become a complete failure. Only drastic measures can save it from itself.
I am calling for Haiti to become protectorate under joint DR, USA and Brazil Control for a time of no less than 20 years. To build up the infrastructure and educate the populous.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
In your dreams Papi. You actually think the Haitian govt would let you Dominicans take control of their nation. Your nation may like selling itself to the highest bidder but not Haiti. I rather walk around half naked and eat dirt cookies.....oh man.
Written by: anthonyC, 15 Aug 2008 12:56 PM
From: United States
"I rather walk around half naked and eat dirt cookies....."
Soup,
Isn't that what the Haitian people are doing now?
Your Haitian Pride notwithstanding. Haiti is by far the poorest most backard country in the Hemisphere and compares to some of Africa's worst.
They waste whatever is given to them.
Threat those who are trying to help them like dirt.
Elect corrupt jerks
Never think about Tommorrow.
You are the last people to crtitique any other country.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Hey Anthony, do you get a hard-on fantasizing about events like this. Let's not talk about pride now okay? Your Dominican pride stated that Haiti should be govern by the DR. I hope it's not the same DR that also has a deep corruption level,where the country is a warehouse for cocaine shipments and a handful of the politicians work for the colombian drug cartels. So in retrospect, I feel it is of bad taste for you to come here talking about corruption when you nation suffers from the same thing. Dominican gorvernment do not know what the Haitian people need, this would be illequipe to control the country. We Haitians need more than those nice little resort to please the Europeans, which is probably the best thing that would happen if your fantasy came true. All Im saying Papi is be more open to good news(the article) and don't bring it down with you pride.
From: United States
I dunno, for some odd reason i don't think that AnthonyC is dominican. I feel like he's cuban or something else. Anyways, AnthonyC haiti cannot be compared to some of Africa's worst. As I saw for myself, and a mexican who traveled to haiti once told me, the problems in haiti is different. Poverty is measured in different ways, in all honesty if you took a trip to haiti and went to the countryside and don't look for Cite Soleil, which is a notorious slum. You will realize haiti is not as backwards as you seem. But of course propaganda and ignorance plays a large role in everything. If you want, I can send you pictures of haiti from my trip last month. Im sure it would definitely shock you. In terms of corruption, haitian politicians are probably the most corrupt in the island, but don't go bashing and assuming something you have little hands on knowledge about.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Anonymous, I would love to see some of those pics. Please.
Written by: rom1804 
, 15 Aug 2008 5:20 PM
From: Zimbabwe
I am calling for Haiti to become protectorate under joint DR, USA and Brazil Control for a time of no less than 20 years. To build up the infrastructure and educate the populou.........
LOL YOU ARE FUNNY WHOMEVER YOU ARE> LOL
Written by: rom1804 , 15 Aug 2008 5:31 PM
From: Zimbabwe
The Dominicans think that they are HOT TAMALES just because most of their labor forces are now Doorman at some Marriot Hotel. They failed to realize that the other Latin people are invading their country and taking their jobs right under their mouths quietly. Just because they see a Hispanic guy doing well they automatically assumed that he/she is Dominican. I'm telling you sooner or later there won't be any Dominicans left in DR. Either they get out breed by the Haitians or fade away under the European supremacy vanished away like the Tainos....either case you LOSE.
From: Haiti
anthonyC where are you from? He definitely is anti-Haitian however he has been spewing some negative rhetoric on the Dominican Republic as well leading me to believe he is neither. Cuban? Puerto Rican?
From: Haiti
and compares to some of Africa's worst.
__________________________________________________________________
not at all my friend not at all. God forgive them 'fore they know not what they speak of. You really are in for an eye-opener anthonyC if you think Haiti is comparable to countries such as Burkina Faso. Countries such as Honduras and Nicaragua aren't that much better than we are. They are less impoverished but trust me those countries are also unfortunately in the Hemisphere's bottom of the barrel.
From: Haiti
I don't understand how posters such as Rubi claim Haitians never are proactive and want to take responsibility etc and etc however when this article pops up he still finds a disagreeing stance.
From: United States
and, anthonyc, when the protectorate nations are educating the Haitian " populous", you might consider enrolling in a class or two. to hear a man who professes to have a Doctorate saying " educate the populous" is risible. the word is " populace ", DR anthonyc.
Written by: Lautaro, 15 Aug 2008 9:17 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
From the way he attacks Belial every time that cuban affairs are discussed, one could safely wager that he´s indeed a cuban-american, or as Belial would say a "water carrier, behind kisser and boot licker of the stinking GOP's and other US imperialists, about one third of the american people". LOL
Written by: anthonyC, 15 Aug 2008 9:30 PM
From: United States
Soup,
Do you even know how to read or are you just like the rest of the haters that only read what they want to?
You wrote.
"Your Dominican pride stated that Haiti should be govern by the DR. "
Where and when did I state that? Well?
I said the Haiti should be put under a combined protectorate of the DR, USA and Brazil!
Written by: anthonyC, 15 Aug 2008 9:31 PM
From: United States
I have been to Africa.
Haiti compares to many of the impoverishe countries of that Continent.
From: Haiti
That may be true however by saying that it's as if you are trying to distance Haiti and the rest of Latin America. Economically speaking Haiti fares worse than Honduras and Nicaragua but it isn't that far behind and those countries also can be compared with African countries on an economic scale. The worst of the African countries socially and economically speaking make Haiti seem real developed and stable when you take time to analyze the facts instead of basing accounts on pure stereotype. Problems ranging from the blood diamond conflict in Sierra Leone and Liberia to the genocide in Sudan characterize the worst of the African countries and they are by no means even close to Haiti and doing so is actually offensive at the very least. Haiti is currently at the bottom of the barrel but by no means is it outstandingly separate from its geographical region.
Written by: kmnupe, 16 Aug 2008 12:23 AM
From: United States, NYC
Why do you guys bother with some of these morons.? They hate a whole country by listening to propaganda and judging its citizens based on poverty and the ineptitude of governments.
There's nothing that you can do about petty people. They feel inadequate and wish to lash out.
From: Dominican Republic
I challenge the author to present his evidence that one and not two million Haitians reside in DR. Also, I will like to see if there are one million jobs held by the Haitians in DR. Haitians are still crossing into DR at the rate of 100,000 per year and DR is falling into the same abbyss that Haiti fell in (overpopulation, explosive birth rates, and lack of resources to match that demand).
Written by: anthonyC, 16 Aug 2008 9:19 AM
From: United States
"judging its citizens based on poverty and the ineptitude of governments."
Last time I checked Haiti was a Democracy so you can judge it's citizens base on the government IT CHOSE!!!!
From: United States
kmnupe, sadly, if the morons decide to recuse themselves from the forum, it would become a really lonely place. i have never seen a collection of more narrow minded, monochromatic individuals in my entire life. they have no idea of shadings and nuance, and see all issues in terms of absolutes and black and white. so, because they are unable to mount any kind of worthwhile arguments, they busy themselves attacking each other , mostly on racial and country lines. pathetic, really.
Written by: anthonyC, 16 Aug 2008 9:47 AM
From: United States
" i have never seen a collection of more narrow minded, monochromatic individuals in my entire life"
Pot caling the kettle black!!!!
Actually it is you and your pals on the extreme left who are cloesed minded and resort to name calling and insults.
From: United States
anthonyc, please do not torture me with schoolboy political science, using terms like "pals on the extreme left" . left of what? if believing that the world deserves protection from virulent rapist types makes me a leftist, i wear the badge with pride. if believing that workers deserve a living wage, and some sort of employee benefits, makes me a commie, then you may call me che. instead of being a simple minded listener of talk radio idiots, define what you mean. what have i written in my postings that makes me " far left", and in what way do my ideas differ from common human decency?
From: United States, Long island, NY
AnthonyC:
Regarding Your points it will never be a common ground between Haitians and common sense since They will never accept responsabilities for their own mistakes or try to fix current failed status for their country.
The best solution must be to let Dominican Republic to carry with their failures and be blamed from international community for being inhumane and abusive.
Recently Amnesty International is promoting an illegal campaign to force Dominican Constitution to accomodate international agenda.
LOL
From: United States Virgin Islands
Some say that blacks cannot govern themselves. Some say that blacks lack discipline to bring order to a country. Some say that Haiti will never look as good as the Cayman Islands. Is this true or are there powers that are trying to make Haiti look bad to prove that blacks cannot govern themselves. The following article written by Stan Goff describes why Haiti is in such a mess and why it would be very difficult to get the country to look good. Stan Goff, Master Sergeant, U.S. Army Special Forces (Retired) is author of Hideous Dream: A Soldier's Memoir of the U.S. Invasion of Haiti.
Stan Goff exposes the underlying forces driving the current crisis in Haiti. The recent Aristide coup d'etat is only the latest in two centuries of violent transfers of power in that country. Haiti was founded in 1804 after a roundly successful slave revolution.
The article:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/032304_haiti_pt1.html From: United States Virgin Islands
To AnthonyC:
Haiti is already a protectorate. Not formally but informally. Haiti is currently under the international community. Whenever a country has been invaded. Its president forced to resign, sent into exile and UN forces move in and stay for years, it is an informal protectorate. At this particular point the Haitian Government has no real say in Haiti. They are only an advisory group.
Please read Stan Goff's artile on Haiti:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/032304_haiti_pt1.html From: United States Virgin Islands
To AnthonyC once again:
Haiti is number 24 on the list of least developed countries in the world. In the Americas (Western Hemisphere) it is number one. But countries such as Bolivia and Nicaragua are not far behind. You also have to understand why Haiti is poor. While it is true that Haiti had/has corrupted leaders and business people making a killing on the backs of the poor. You also need to know that since 1804, after the successful slave rebellion that brought Haiti its independence and freed slaves from the Dominican Repulic and most of the Spanish colonies, Haiti has been repressed by powers such France, Spain, the United States. The reason for it is because they wanted to prove that blacks cannot govern themselves. It is a racist position. In effect, the Haitian Revolution cost the colonists their slaves over a period of time. If it was not for Haiti, there would have been slaves for at least another 200 years. Hence, Haiti is still being punished.
From: United States
Doc peters i agree with HALF of what you said.please of STAN GOFF writing,repudiate what he wrote.i have a open mind ,untill you show me something different ,i ll stand on my beliefe.
From: United States
DocPeters, my lasting gratitude for that link. it is riveting reading, and all posters, regardless of political stripes, should read it. whether or not it will have any effect on people like anthonyc is doubtful, because, from what i see of him, he belongs, at least intellectually, in the Jesse Helms think tank, along with others such as arkatype and JRRubirosa. i have always maintained that white supremacy is at the base of the Haitian malaise; they are being punished for having the audacity to show up the white man in 1804, and they will never be allowed to have any peace for it.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
to each his own Dread if it makes you feel better but it is the same as Comrade Bob blaming white folks for his dumb@ss stuff in Zimbabwe....or as I said before blaming gringos for the corruption in the DR....and Doc Peters USVI thats a joke as well.... thats Haiti with money 85thousand dollars for every person in the USVI and the schools are not accredited ...But that is the fault of the US Congress because they did not give them enough money to burn....100 thousand population and 20 thousand government employees all making a minimum 30 thousand US go figure
Written by: Pepe32, 19 Aug 2008 9:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
ile it is true that Haiti had/has corrupted leaders and business people making a killing on the backs of the poor. You also need to know that since 1804, after the successful slave rebellion that brought Haiti its independence and freed slaves from the Dominican Repulic and most of the Spanish colonies, Haiti has been repressed by powers such France, Spain, the United States. The reason for it is because they wanted to prove that blacks cannot govern themselves. It is a racist position. In effect, the Haitian Revolution cost the colonists their slaves over a period of time. If it was not for Haiti, there would have been slaves for at least another 200 years. Hence, Haiti is still being punished.
What is the excuse for all the other black led nations?
Stop ,looking for excuses and concentrate on bettering yourselves because you hide behind your excuses instead of correcting your own deficiencies.
With Haitian attitudes displayed in this forum and others I am surprised
Written by: Pepe32, 19 Aug 2008 9:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
they have are are their current "height" .The only other great period which they speak of was when the French inhumanely made Haiti an economic powerhouse using African blood as the fuel for their industry,but shortly after kicking out anybody with an ounce of intelligence and knowledge of administration they assumed the downward spiral they are in now,just like Zimbabwe the former breadbasket now basket case!
Nelson Mandela on the other hand was more intelligent ,slowly educating and training and making sure that the "brain power" did not leave his nation and although he suffered greatly under apartheid he understood that you cannot take a primitive tribal people into the modern world in a moments notice.
So most of Haiti's problems had more to do with an mainly uncivilised population with very few people equipped to run the country and the nations whose citizens they had just massacred (right or wrong) were not about to help Haiti. Haiti compounded their problems by invading
Written by: Pepe32, 19 Aug 2008 9:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Their Spanish speaking neighbours to the east multiple times and occupying them while committing genocide in several areas .
Thus Haiti made enemies of everyone yet somehow Haitians today expect that these nations would assist them...
Sadly Haitians are reaping what they have sown from the bloodthirsty birth of their nation to the ton ton macoutes ,to the murderous Lavalas . The greatest killers and abusers of Haitians are the Haitians themselves and no blame can be assigned to outsiders unless like ostriches they prefer to keep their heads in the sand and dream of the fictitious Eden called Haiti Cherie.
From: United States
pepe, would you like to clarify what you mean when you characterise Haiti as a "mainly uncivilised population"? i am particularly interested in your definition of "uncivilised". it has the ring of something which would be said by someone who watches too many Tarzan movies. but, before i get ahead of myself, let me allow you to reply.
From: United States Virgin Islands
To Pepe 32: " What is the excuse for all the other black led nations?"
Most black led nations in the caribbean only recently got their independence from their colonists. They are still greatly influenced by their colonists via divide and conquer. The Dominican Republic is a semi-colony of the U.S. The "Guardia" was trained by the U.S. and are paid by U.S. . DR president is a U.S.-backed president. Whenever another country is paying your military and whatever major decisions needs to go through the U.S., that country owns you. If you are referring to Africa, it is the same thing. Most of the countries in Africa recently got their independence from their colonists. Only Ethiopia, Egypt and a couple of others I do not remember have never been colonized. Even when the colonists leave, they are still exerting a heavy influence on that country. I am not saying that blacks are perfect but they can govern themselves. If you study the true African history you will see that.
From: United States
pepe, most of the nations of the eastern caribbean are governed by black people. given the paucity of resources that they have, can you point to glaring deficiencies in their governance?
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
Dread the USVI is drowning in money and the locals have still managed to screw it up ....Politics there gives new meaning to the word corruption
From: United States
the same applies to the USA, Goulet. drowning in money when Bush took office, an economic basket case today. white guys screwed up that country big time.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
I see your point ....but that scene is intermittent...let us hope the USVI can rise above the drek and make a good example of itself
From: United States
and, Goulet, i hope that the USA can achieve the same lofty heights it once attained before it had a brain fart and elected Bush the second time ( we know that the Florida Supreme Court elected him the first time). then it might make a good example of itself!
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Aug 2008 3:17 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
I know what you mean, dread, the USVI's mistakes have only hurt the mainland's purse, while the US electoral mistakes have not only hurt the taxpayer, but have also put a strain on the economy of the rest of the world, without counting the millions of lives lost in the process!!
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
Lautaro it is not the money in this case ....the USVI is a huge disappointment because it should show the way more than anywhere else in America that you can be what you want if you work hard.......it has turned into the old Liberia of the Caribbean...Elitist natives lording it over those who are not them....and from away
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Aug 2008 11:38 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Woa, another Liberia? didn't know that things were so bad over there. Let's hope that they don't reenact the liberian civil war on their rock.
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Very wise comments, like always raising the bar and going the extra mile.
LOL
An Olive Branch? Ha. They want to see if they can cover their asses on the fact that their country is run by scum.
What positives? Positives for you maybe.
My favorite line is...."He said his country needs Dominicans products, but at better prices,"
Let me translate that for you...
We are such corrupt theives that even the Haitian people are begining to figure it out. So we need the Dominican Republic to GIVE us food or else we will push another 100,000 haitians across the border.
The experiment that is Haiti has become a complete failure. Only drastic measures can save it from itself.
I am calling for Haiti to become protectorate under joint DR, USA and Brazil Control for a time of no less than 20 years. To build up the infrastructure and educate the populous.
Soup,
Isn't that what the Haitian people are doing now?
Your Haitian Pride notwithstanding. Haiti is by far the poorest most backard country in the Hemisphere and compares to some of Africa's worst.
They waste whatever is given to them.
Threat those who are trying to help them like dirt.
Elect corrupt jerks
Never think about Tommorrow.
You are the last people to crtitique any other country.
LOL YOU ARE FUNNY WHOMEVER YOU ARE> LOL
__________________________________________________________________
not at all my friend not at all. God forgive them 'fore they know not what they speak of. You really are in for an eye-opener anthonyC if you think Haiti is comparable to countries such as Burkina Faso. Countries such as Honduras and Nicaragua aren't that much better than we are. They are less impoverished but trust me those countries are also unfortunately in the Hemisphere's bottom of the barrel.
Do you even know how to read or are you just like the rest of the haters that only read what they want to?
You wrote.
"Your Dominican pride stated that Haiti should be govern by the DR. "
Where and when did I state that? Well?
I said the Haiti should be put under a combined protectorate of the DR, USA and Brazil!
Haiti compares to many of the impoverishe countries of that Continent.
There's nothing that you can do about petty people. They feel inadequate and wish to lash out.
Last time I checked Haiti was a Democracy so you can judge it's citizens base on the government IT CHOSE!!!!
Pot caling the kettle black!!!!
Actually it is you and your pals on the extreme left who are cloesed minded and resort to name calling and insults.
Regarding Your points it will never be a common ground between Haitians and common sense since They will never accept responsabilities for their own mistakes or try to fix current failed status for their country.
The best solution must be to let Dominican Republic to carry with their failures and be blamed from international community for being inhumane and abusive.
Recently Amnesty International is promoting an illegal campaign to force Dominican Constitution to accomodate international agenda.
LOL
Stan Goff exposes the underlying forces driving the current crisis in Haiti. The recent Aristide coup d'etat is only the latest in two centuries of violent transfers of power in that country. Haiti was founded in 1804 after a roundly successful slave revolution.
The article: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/032304_haiti_pt1.html
Haiti is already a protectorate. Not formally but informally. Haiti is currently under the international community. Whenever a country has been invaded. Its president forced to resign, sent into exile and UN forces move in and stay for years, it is an informal protectorate. At this particular point the Haitian Government has no real say in Haiti. They are only an advisory group.
Please read Stan Goff's artile on Haiti:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/032304_haiti_pt1.html
Haiti is number 24 on the list of least developed countries in the world. In the Americas (Western Hemisphere) it is number one. But countries such as Bolivia and Nicaragua are not far behind. You also have to understand why Haiti is poor. While it is true that Haiti had/has corrupted leaders and business people making a killing on the backs of the poor. You also need to know that since 1804, after the successful slave rebellion that brought Haiti its independence and freed slaves from the Dominican Repulic and most of the Spanish colonies, Haiti has been repressed by powers such France, Spain, the United States. The reason for it is because they wanted to prove that blacks cannot govern themselves. It is a racist position. In effect, the Haitian Revolution cost the colonists their slaves over a period of time. If it was not for Haiti, there would have been slaves for at least another 200 years. Hence, Haiti is still being punished.
What is the excuse for all the other black led nations?
Stop ,looking for excuses and concentrate on bettering yourselves because you hide behind your excuses instead of correcting your own deficiencies.
With Haitian attitudes displayed in this forum and others I am surprised
Nelson Mandela on the other hand was more intelligent ,slowly educating and training and making sure that the "brain power" did not leave his nation and although he suffered greatly under apartheid he understood that you cannot take a primitive tribal people into the modern world in a moments notice.
So most of Haiti's problems had more to do with an mainly uncivilised population with very few people equipped to run the country and the nations whose citizens they had just massacred (right or wrong) were not about to help Haiti. Haiti compounded their problems by invading
Thus Haiti made enemies of everyone yet somehow Haitians today expect that these nations would assist them...
Sadly Haitians are reaping what they have sown from the bloodthirsty birth of their nation to the ton ton macoutes ,to the murderous Lavalas . The greatest killers and abusers of Haitians are the Haitians themselves and no blame can be assigned to outsiders unless like ostriches they prefer to keep their heads in the sand and dream of the fictitious Eden called Haiti Cherie.
Most black led nations in the caribbean only recently got their independence from their colonists. They are still greatly influenced by their colonists via divide and conquer. The Dominican Republic is a semi-colony of the U.S. The "Guardia" was trained by the U.S. and are paid by U.S. . DR president is a U.S.-backed president. Whenever another country is paying your military and whatever major decisions needs to go through the U.S., that country owns you. If you are referring to Africa, it is the same thing. Most of the countries in Africa recently got their independence from their colonists. Only Ethiopia, Egypt and a couple of others I do not remember have never been colonized. Even when the colonists leave, they are still exerting a heavy influence on that country. I am not saying that blacks are perfect but they can govern themselves. If you study the true African history you will see that.