SANTO DOMINGO.- Supreme Court (SCJ) president Jorge Subero today warned that the country could become a State of terror, if drug traffic and consumption continues to grow.
He said drug trafficking threatens all of humanity and suggested the Government to provide more technical, economic and human resources for “a more efficient” combat against that organized crime. “Above all, we cannot ask the Dominican authorities in charge of fighting the crime in all manifestations to be harsh with those crimes, if we don’t provide the necessary economic resources.”
Subero discarded that the country might become narco-State because for that the complicity of the State itself would be necessary. “What can the country can become is a dependent society, a society where our children, where our grandsons, our families are constantly placed under a state of terror, because drug trafficking doesn’t give a truce.”
Similarly, Subero Isa the past talked about to the speech delivered by president Leonel Fernandez Saturday, and said that it satisfied the part him in which it talked about the corruption.
The chief Justice spoke with reporters in the inaugural of the National School of the Judiciary, where he participated in training session for judges.
From: United States
Our American cities are turning into FREE FIRE ZONES. Our police are OUTGUNNED by the sheer FIRE POWER possessd by agents of the International NARCOTICS CARTELS. American CITIZENS are dying from NARCOTICS ADDICTION. The DIRTY MONEY from NARCOTICS is CORRUPTING our PEOPLE and out ECONOMY. Our DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY can barely stop 3% of the TOTAL NARCOTICS TRAFFIC entering the US. The main NARCOTICS MARKET in NORTH AMERICA is the US. NARCOTICS will KEEP SHOWING UP on DOMINICAN SOIL .. as long as they KEEP ENTERING US SOIL. Simply STOPPING it on DOMINICAN SOIL is NOT ENOUGH.
From: United States
The the war on drugs approach must be multi-faceted NOT just on the US-side but also the RD route & South America sources.
Drugs are sold NOT ONLY @ US but in RD barrios, Canadian cities & the EU (i.e. Amsterdam). But there's a BIG difference from RD CORRUPTION of key officials (police, DNCD etc) who partner with Tigres (not arrest them) vs. a better US law enforcement.
US DEA & Embassy have their heads in the sand based on failed RESULTS. At the back end, we build more US prisons now overpopulated but due to the FAST MONEY...the game attracts REPLACEMENT dealers from off the bench.
IN SANTIAGO, TIGRES SELL ON SCHOOL ROUTES CREATING NEW ADDICTS WHILE DNCD LOOK THE OTHER WAY!
Also, @ the front-end (Columbia) & middle-end (Haiti/RD) very little is being done to stop-the-bleeding! To the contrary, there's alot of RD support aiding micro trafficking via corrupt institutions who should stop the flow (i.e. Bani - the tip of the iceberg)
The US needs an economic embargo NOW
From: United States
Economic Embargo? You mean economic embargo against Haiti and the DR? I don't understand. Please elaborate.
Written by: BASTA, 18 Aug 2008 5:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
One word- Legalize
From: United States
Legalize sounds great at first glance .. but it does not change the problem of ADDICTION to NARCOTICS. More NARCOTICS will be available at a LOWER PRICE. More ADDICTS. More DEATHS.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
basta is a druggy he just wants to get high
From: United States
Herr Doktor Johann .. that option was almost adopted by Mexico .. President Vicente Fox .. I got his name right this time .. but Bush-Cheney growled at Fox .. and Fox jumped back into his fox hole .. Jawohl Herr Doktor Johann ..
From: United States, Long island, NY
As long as the goverment continue the same tiresome rhetoric of being negligent and in a state of retarded disbelief, problem will get worse by the day.
Goverment (president) must increase wages and improve benefits to the military so there is not excuse for doing a great job for the public, enough is enough to be mediocre.
Everybody could see that new goverment started already in the wrong direction and as long as population don't see clear solutions to so many problems country is going in the wrong direction..
Written by: rom1804 
, 18 Aug 2008 6:06 PM
From: Zimbabwe
WHY don't we blame that one on the Haitians as well? The Haitians are the ones transporting all the drugs to DR. They the Haitians they not only grow the product in their back yards they also export it. Damn those Haitians for corrupting the good Dominican nation with their atrocious drugs.
From: United States
OH dear .. here we go again ..
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
the Zman has returned
From: United States
Were is Chief Lo Bengula when we really need him?
From: United States
I don't think he is really from Zimbabwe .. that would have elicited an immediate reaction ..
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
he just likes Comrade Bob and his economic 5 year plan
From: United States
From: Canada .. Zona Colonial
From: United States.. Capotillo
From: Zimbabwe ..?
DT should just do away with the From: .. it's meaningless.. I baited this character last week and he did not respond .. I know he is not from Zimbabwe .. sooner or later .. he will give away his real location .. just have to be patient .. lie in wait .. then comes the AMBUSH.
Written by: ABR23, 18 Aug 2008 6:29 PM
From: Puerto Rico
You are all right in part.
LEGALIZE = May create more addicts, but if that were true how come Alcohol and Tabacco consumption has decreased. Through education and taxation. Get the criminals out of the business. Cleaner needles less AIDS. It got Capone and others out of bootlegging in the 30's. Use the tax money for addiction programs which barely receive funding now. Most of the drug budget goes into enforcement.
The DR addicts have increased since payments to those in trans-shipping to the USA/Europe are paid with drugs. They put it on the streets of DR for any price since they wants $.
MORE ENFORCEMENT: What have we not tried. Mandatory sentences, stricter enforcement
( minorities are receiving harsher sentences for crack than others {whites} get for pure cocaine, meth etc.) Drug courts got them full. Needle exchange programs. Crop eradication. Tying $ to countries who "cooperate". None worked.
Reducing the ancillary crimes associated with narcotics is a plus..
From: United States
I think LEGALIZE should be tried on a TEST basis. In California the legalization of MEDICAL MARIJUANA seemed to be going fine until the DEA stepped in to exercise their FEDERAL MANDATE. Completely opposite of what the local courts had allowed. The present COPS and ROBBERS approach is a DISMAL FAILURE.
Written by: ABR23, 18 Aug 2008 6:37 PM
From: Puerto Rico
I am astounded (not really) to say I agree with Ghouliiish.
From: United States
Not to worry .. when the stuff wears off .. you will be back to your old self again.
From: United States
one of the most insightful postings i have read in this forum is the one in which Ghoulish asked what innovations will cause a decrease in corruption in the DR. it does not assert that corruption is unique to the DR, but that no amount of talking, big buildings, SUVs, etc, will change anything. and, until the culture changes, we can all wear out our computer keyboards pontificating on the issue. it is as ingrained as the merengue, and is here to stay. get used to it!
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Did I say that? I must have been under heavy opiate agonist sedation from my last brain transplant surgery. But thanks for the recognition .. the Man from Bonao has spoken.
From: United States
i have not misquoted you, but i hope i have not misinterpreted you, Ghoulish.
From: United States
Man from Bonao .. I was just being nutty as usual .. you quoted me correctly .. your interpretation is correct. On the subject of CORRUPTION. There has been so much emphasis on CORRUPT OFFICIALS. Very little on CORRUPT PEOPLE. The ones that PUSH MONEY into the faces of the CORRUPT OFFICIALS to FUEL the PROCESS. The ones that are DESPERATELY trying to GET SOMETHING without going through REGULAR CHANNELS. I am telling those HYPOCRITES to take a LONG LOOK at THEMSELVES in the MIRROR. Before POINTING FINGERS at THIS OFFICIAL .. or THAT OFFICIAL .. this DEPARTMENT .. or that DEPARTMENT. Look at YOURSELF very CAREFULLY. And you will see where the CORRUPTION ORIGINATES. Amen.
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What happen to D.R. and when did illegal drugs got so widespread and a heaven for traffikers. The answers: after the 1980's and all through the 1990's when more and more dominicans immigrating to the sweet U.S.A., some found that fast-money was to be had by getting involved in illigals activities such as dealing and traffiking drugs. These people that were later caught and after serving their prison termed in the U.S. were deported to D.R. were many continued on their chosen criminal careers of drugs traffiking. Some with better knowledge of how dominicans authorities operated designed plans to persuade chosen officials to get involved in their quest of fast money. Thus increasing more and more the participations of many that will ordanarily not become involved. At such a level everyone in an island the size of D.R. knows who is who and what he or she is doing. How many disco are in D.R. -- how many after-hours are in D.R. or didn't you know that drug users and dealers do this mostly
From: United States
Ghoulish, reading you is a joy, and an eye opener. too often, we sit at our dining tables lambasting Dominicans for being incorrigibly corrupt. then we take it steps further by complaining about the adverse effects that corruption has, not only on society, but upon each of us as individuals. yet, we never stop to ask the following : how many gringos, the ones who are so robustly disposed to criticise Dominicans, have permanent residency which they bought through some contacts they made while wheeling and dealing, and schmoozing politicos? how many managed to build on lands they should not have, because they paid off some official? how many managed to pass through police checkpoints without proper vehicle documentation, simply by slipping the police a few hundred pesos? how many have illegal electricity counters, in order to lower the electricity charges in their businesses? how many are bringing into the country containerloads of merchandise, evading the duty by paying off
From: United States
renegade customs officials? how many foreigners have killed innocent dominicans in vehicular accidents, all the while drunk to the gills, then paying off the justice system to avoid recriminations? so you see, gentlemen and ladies, it is not as simplistic as we would have people believe. and it is pretty disingenuous to benefit from the corruption and criticise it at the same time!
From: United States
Continued----- at night and that usually is confined to certain places, neighborhoods and areas which are known for the used of drugs. Following the trails is not such a dificult tasks. For Dominicans Authorities what they want or the messages which they are sending is " Mr. U.S.A. we need for you to send us technical supports and most of all a lot of money in order to combat the drug traffikers who have more resources than us ". The solutions to the problems they don't want to confront cause to solved is to stop the sweet U.S.A. from giving them the assistence of money. In turned the U.S.A. has given the D.R. the same problems which the U.S.A. has lived with for many decades. Want to deal drugs, go deal it in your country and give it to your children. A Columbian once said that they will inundate the U.S. with drugs, this person was part of a group that was caught in the biggest bust in Colorado. They are also inundating the D.R. Knowing the problems is knowing the solutions.
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hectorvargas, we all know that purveyance of drugs in the DR can be controlled, if not stopped. after all, nobody in his right mind deals drugs in Singapore. heck, there is a sign at the airport which reads "if you are caught with drugs, you will be executed". a little draconian, perhaps, but it gets the point across, and deters the faint of heart, who might otherwise consider the trade as a career. on the reverse side of the coin, a year in jail for eight kios of cocaine is not going to deter too many prospective dealers, especially since one year sometimes translates to one month, depending on which legal officials are on the take!
From: United States
Man from Bona .. your observations are uncanny .. sharp as a razor blade .. foreigners who criticize the corruption they see in the DR .. then turn around and make DR CORRUPTION work to their advantage. You have an excellent point. It is always difficult to look at oneself objectively. For that reason it is difficult for people to realize that their own CORRUPT BEHAVIOR significantly contributes to CORRUPTION in GOVERNMENT.
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Words can be CONFINING. We define a WORD and become IMPRISONED by it's attributed MEANING. CORRUPTION involves MUCH MORE than MONEY. RACISM is a form of CORRUPTION of the VERY WORST KIND. It is the form of CORRUPTION in which a PHYSICAL TRAIT is EMPLOYED to EXTORT FAVORS or IMPART PUNISHMENT. Nothing is MORE DEMORALIZING than CORRUPTION by RACISM.
Written by: ABR23, 18 Aug 2008 10:51 PM
From: Puerto Rico
I would say that he principal reason that corruption has continued to grow in DR is JUDICIAL. Is there anyone serving time (incarcerated) for public corruption. Certainty of punishment has to be part of the equation.
Congressman Cunnigham of California had a total take of maybe $750K. Governor Acevedo-Vila of PR had $20K in clothing and surgery, plus some campaign kickbacks on matching funds. The Mayor of Detroit, MI; Mayor of Newark, NJ; Secretary of the Army for ENRON ties; Governor of Connecticut; Under-Secretary of the Air force for kick-backs with Boeing $ 300K and a job.
Any Cabinet Officer in DR who only takes $750K in a 4yr term, is called PENDEJO.
The term I liked, was " steal they are going to say you did anyway". Leonel in his 1st Term said they needed better salaries to ensure integrity. That did not work, with millions to be stolen. The president of the Central Bank of DR makes more than the Federal Reserve Chairman.
Written by: ABR23, 18 Aug 2008 10:57 PM
From: Puerto Rico
I will not follow you into that alley again Ghouliii. Too much flak on those runs. It takes forever to patch up the aircraft .
From: United States
BORICUA .. I have a hard time writing while I am AWAKE .. so I envy your ability to write IN YOUR SLEEP. It's your BRAIN that needs PATCHING. Not the AIRCRAFT.
Written by: BASTA, 19 Aug 2008 4:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
Sorry guys I do not nor have ever used drugs.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
just kidding you Basta .....Dread the gringos are responsible for Dominican corruption ? please dont make think you really believe that......Hector makes a very good point about returning criminals who learned their craft in the USA and return to find an ill prepared society....Puerto Ricos astounding crime rate can be attributed directly to this and Dominicans are learning it....The 7 murders of dealers in Bani would be an average weekend in Mexico....Brazil and Argentina are on fire with drugs....Who are we kidding the DR is small potatoes in the scheme of things....THE PROBLEM IS SOCIETAL not American....America just pointed the world in that direction....there are people selling 8 balls in Tiblisi as we speak let alone Copenhagen ,London, Amsterdam and Moscow.....THINK LOCAL ...start with the family...your own children
From: United States
Goulet, at no point did i blame corruption on gringos. read my post again. the gravamen of my post is that while they are flagellating dominican society for being incorrigibly corrupt, they contribute to it by availing themselves of its benefits. every gringo i have met , who has no immigration documents, asks me if i know someone who can " take care of business ". that is not the type of question we hear from someone who is willing to go through the process of waiting his turn. it is like buying a stolen radio from a street thug, and then excoriating him for breaking into people's cars!
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
But Dread i have difficulty explaining the advantages of having documents period to foreigners and the type who would buy forged are dumb or nefarious probably both....I know people who own second homes here who still cant be bothered with residency and prefer to pay the so called fine when they leave after 30 or 45 days whatever...Dread can you tell me a good reason to posses this document other than to make your banking slightly easier...Historically I think the government gave this toy to Abogados to rip off the poor foreigner trying to do the right thing
From: United States
Herr Doktor .. you need a trip to East Gwillimbury to straighten out your convoluted brain .. I guess the botched transplant up in Samana was indeed true .. Jawohl Herr Doktor Johann?
From: United States
i guess people feel secure with the documents, and, do not forget, many gringos want citizenship so they can buy the howitzer to blow away uninvited guests. a lot of these documents are legit: you just get them in 48 hours instead of six months.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
Less and less fortunately...... More integrity has been coming into this document since the amount of money that can be swindled out of foreigners for acquiring one through normal channels is amazing
From: United States
J d The name of the country is COLOMBIA , not COLUMBIA.,Gouliss Colon ,you are a puny ANOYING VERMINT. do you have a day job?
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Drugs are sold NOT ONLY @ US but in RD barrios, Canadian cities & the EU (i.e. Amsterdam). But there's a BIG difference from RD CORRUPTION of key officials (police, DNCD etc) who partner with Tigres (not arrest them) vs. a better US law enforcement.
US DEA & Embassy have their heads in the sand based on failed RESULTS. At the back end, we build more US prisons now overpopulated but due to the FAST MONEY...the game attracts REPLACEMENT dealers from off the bench.
IN SANTIAGO, TIGRES SELL ON SCHOOL ROUTES CREATING NEW ADDICTS WHILE DNCD LOOK THE OTHER WAY!
Also, @ the front-end (Columbia) & middle-end (Haiti/RD) very little is being done to stop-the-bleeding! To the contrary, there's alot of RD support aiding micro trafficking via corrupt institutions who should stop the flow (i.e. Bani - the tip of the iceberg)
The US needs an economic embargo NOW
Goverment (president) must increase wages and improve benefits to the military so there is not excuse for doing a great job for the public, enough is enough to be mediocre.
Everybody could see that new goverment started already in the wrong direction and as long as population don't see clear solutions to so many problems country is going in the wrong direction..
From: United States.. Capotillo
From: Zimbabwe ..?
DT should just do away with the From: .. it's meaningless.. I baited this character last week and he did not respond .. I know he is not from Zimbabwe .. sooner or later .. he will give away his real location .. just have to be patient .. lie in wait .. then comes the AMBUSH.
LEGALIZE = May create more addicts, but if that were true how come Alcohol and Tabacco consumption has decreased. Through education and taxation. Get the criminals out of the business. Cleaner needles less AIDS. It got Capone and others out of bootlegging in the 30's. Use the tax money for addiction programs which barely receive funding now. Most of the drug budget goes into enforcement.
The DR addicts have increased since payments to those in trans-shipping to the USA/Europe are paid with drugs. They put it on the streets of DR for any price since they wants $.
MORE ENFORCEMENT: What have we not tried. Mandatory sentences, stricter enforcement
( minorities are receiving harsher sentences for crack than others {whites} get for pure cocaine, meth etc.) Drug courts got them full. Needle exchange programs. Crop eradication. Tying $ to countries who "cooperate". None worked.
Reducing the ancillary crimes associated with narcotics is a plus..
Congressman Cunnigham of California had a total take of maybe $750K. Governor Acevedo-Vila of PR had $20K in clothing and surgery, plus some campaign kickbacks on matching funds. The Mayor of Detroit, MI; Mayor of Newark, NJ; Secretary of the Army for ENRON ties; Governor of Connecticut; Under-Secretary of the Air force for kick-backs with Boeing $ 300K and a job.
Any Cabinet Officer in DR who only takes $750K in a 4yr term, is called PENDEJO.
The term I liked, was " steal they are going to say you did anyway". Leonel in his 1st Term said they needed better salaries to ensure integrity. That did not work, with millions to be stolen. The president of the Central Bank of DR makes more than the Federal Reserve Chairman.