From: United States
Oh my God !
I predict 356 posts !
Written by: Agape 
, 16 May 2009 1:35 AM
From: United States
Deporting a few Haitians back home is not a permanent solution. Deporting them all and close the borders will be a permanent solution. Just like north and south Korea. Haitians have absolutely no business in the Dominican republic.
From: United States, Bella Vista,Santiago
WOW!!! 163, why don't you make it 163,000 & tighten up the border so they don't get back in, then maybe just maybe you'll get a thumbs up from me.Agape i agree with you 90% and good to here that dominican citizens are finally rising up and doing something about this situation.Let's hope these stupid human right's groups don't show up whining about this & with some new excuse so we'll let more in.The fuse on this time bomb is getting shorter & shorter...It's only a matter of time now were already seeing the early signs.etiennc01, i'm definitely not wasting my time debating this.The debate's about this matter always go the same.
Written by: hvargas, 16 May 2009 7:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Even though I don't like Haitians, the D.R. authorities is taking advantages of them and violating their human rights. Is O'K to keep the strong haitians illigal and have them work on their roads and other type of work paying them the lowest wages. Doing work that dominican themselves will not do along with domestic work but when they get to the street they become like pests. It's just like here in the U.S., illigal immigrants are hire and are paid the lowest wages even with new laws that penalises employers. Close one eyes and pretend is not happening with some.
Written by: Juango, 16 May 2009 8:47 AM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
Without the Haitians, who will do the rough, undesirable work in the DR. Much like Mexican/Latinos in the USA. If all Haitianos are deported and none allowed to cross back, who will build all the new projects we have been promised ? Who will help pay the salaries of all the PN who take money from Haitians ?
From: Dominican Republic
Rocineas, you'll treat Dominicans in Haiti the same way Dominicans treat Haitians in DR?. I am cool with that. How about you also treat those from the Bahamas and Jamaica the same way they treat you Haitian brothers and sisters as well?. The only reason why there aren't many Haitian prostitutes abroad is because no one will pay for them.
Written by: vacanos, 16 May 2009 11:21 AM
From: United States
etienc loca let me remind you this is a dominican site and if you don't like to hear what we dominicans want to say i suggest you find a haitian website for your own pleassure.
From: Dominican Republic
I guess the guy without name is another LT. of the US Navy. Pero es verdad que hay gente sin oficio.
Written by: ateo1992, 16 May 2009 11:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic
come on!!!!! mass deportation!!
200 miles & 14 feet tall border wall
many patrol boats on montecristi and pedernales!
we need to help our nation D.R!
From: Haiti
I have no problem with the Dominican government deporting illigal Haitians. I understand why a lot of Dominicans are pissed off because they can't find work, they are hungry and cannot feed their families. They are too many illigal non productive Haitians living in their country. Your government has the right to remove anyone from their territory, but as long as they don't abuse our Haitian brothers and sisters. To those ignorant parasites Haitian haters: when you are talking about Haitians, stop putting every Haitian in the same basket. Most Haitians don't like to see other Haitians crossing borders illegally. Some of them will never ever enter a foreign country illigally. Some of them will never leave Haiti to reside in another country especially the DR where people there are so racist. They don't care whether you are a black African American or a Haitian who is visiting and spending your money. They just don't want blacks in their country period.
From: Dominican Republic
Exactly, haitian4life except that the few really black Dominicans are fine, next to some black Cubans/Ricans. deportation not necessarily means human rights abuse but illegal immigrants are treated bad in the third world unlike in USA where they get handouts.
From: United States, Mobile, Alabama
There are always too sides to a situation. I feel as many do that with limited food and public resources the main goal is to survive. Haiti has been destroyed first by imperialists before our very births. The country has been tainted by the blood of all that inhabited and claimed its waters. That is the beginning. La Republica Dominicana is no different. It has also been part of the problem by simply not taking a civil initiative to control the influx. There has been no community no dialogue to simply say we need to do our part to restructure. The goal is for all to live not for people to die without. We all make our own way. The past is the past. If the you dont have a plan do not complain of the results.The government of Haiti does not care about its own country. It is not even trying to create an economy....something. Its not even seeking help to bring something into the country. It is hard to help someone who does not want to help themselves. I ask Jehovah to help those in need.
From: Dominican Republic
There is no doubt with 80 % poverty, the Haitian are abusing Dominican kindness and benevolence. Given the open border, the illegal (who themselves don't have Haitian documents) cross over and eat away whatever they find (jobs, forests, resources, subsidies, and taking land). This is unacceptable and DR must purge the foreigners out and seal the border.
The Haitian have the option of leaving DR whenever they want to! No one is forcing them to work in DR. And yet these illegal complain to the outsiders of abuse/slavery because they want for free political and economic power.
Just last week the Haitian invaded the Dominican Consulate, burned our flag and destroyed our coat of arms! That was a declaration of war but Leonel, a Haitian pipe sucker, hid and left us in a vacuum (no respond => cowardness and impotence)! We need a strong leader that can free DR from the foreigners!
From: Dominican Republic
Haitian inheritated all the infrastructures that France left behind and yet Haiti decided to invade STO DGO and to export their garbage to other Spanish possessions. Instead of building a nation the Congoloids in Haiti became imperialists and decide to annexed a totally foreign population to them! Haiti is paying for the horrible past it incurred! That past included imperialism, violence (coup d'etat), corruption, and lack of futuristic visions (for their own prosperity).
Haiti wants to solve its problem but exporting it to others. The path is much easier to DR than to Cuba, Jamaica, Turk & Caicos or Bahamas. No poor nation has become richer by sharing its resources with other poor countries (Zimbadwee, Somalia, Kenya, Sudan, etc.). We must stop the stealing of our resources by the vandals of the west! This is not 200 BC!
From: Haiti
LetroudeballeGeneroso, what resources are you talking about? You don't have a welfare system, most Haitians who are in your country work and work hard for their money. If your country has a little economic means and looks the way it is now, bow down low and kiss the feet of our strong Haitian workers who helped built your country. You are a hypocrite and full of shit!
From: Dominican Republic
In handling the Haitian situation, we don't need pacifists, humanists, internationalists, socialists, comunists, nor religion advocates. This situation has to be handle with force and violence! Purging, pushing, striking, starving, isolating, invading, chasing, killing, and defending should be the actions of the Dominican society with the foreigners!
We must be explosive in our response and we must be persistence in achieving our objective of keeping the foreigners out. We are not going to sacrifice DR in the name of international humanism!
From: Dominican Republic
Resources: Water, electricity, propane, education (at least 22,000 Haitian children are attending Dominican primary schools and another 18,000 attend Dominican universities crowding out the locals), public cafeterias, food hand out, emergency medical services (Haitian cost US $16 million dollars to DR in trauma and birth services), and now the DR government is supplying services (from education, health to streets and waste water discharge) to the Bateyes. Not to mention, the illegal occupy private and public land and they turn these lands into whatever they please. A lot of the illegal are just selling contraband or counterfeit or illegaly selling intellectual properties. Also they put up the "ad hoc" mobile vending units to sell products (agricultural or polymeric) with substandard quality and with poor sanitation.
And of course, the Haitian are allowed to send remittances back to Haiti (estimated to be $300 millions dollars per year).
From: Dominican Republic
The garbage generated by the illegal activity of the illegal also cost money (some national monument have become the toilet for the illegal). There are some evidences of illegal involved in driving vehicles and working as taxis without licenses.
Most illegal don't pay ITBIS so what they take in versus what they put out is a pure deficit to DR!
Written by: Gizmo 
, 16 May 2009 2:53 PM
From: United States
Haitian4Life you people aint strong you're people aint s**t, so get off the crack pipe. We have helped you're predator nation more than anybody else, so we don't need to kiss your stinking feet Jean! You bastards should worship us, if it was up to me you people wouldn't have a chance to sweep the dirt out of our land dummy.
From: Haiti
Look who's talking! You are a danm foreigner yourself. I am positive the other Dominican foreigners like yourself don't think like that. You see, Dominicans that I talk to, some of them are here legally and other aren't. They tell me that they don't want to go back to the DR in that misery. And you yourself who is probably living in the states illegally don't want to be deported back home. So shut your hole! You are not representing the Dominican people. Hey, guess what? My sister in law who is here in Haiti illegally from Puerto Plata tells me to tell you "go to hell!" Also, guess what? We treat her very well and she is well established here and don't want to go back. Yes, she goes back twice a year to see family, but she will never go back to live there.
From: Haiti
Gizmo, if I were you, I would shut up. You are on welfare and thanks to the Haitian tax payers you can buy groceries today. You are nothing but a parasite.
From: Dominican Republic
There are approximately 90,000 illegal Dominican in the U.S. There are two million Haitian in DR, one million Haitian in the U.S., 330,000 Haitian in Cuba, 60,000 Haitian in Bahamas, 6,000 in Turk & Caicos, and 17,000 in Jamaica.
Yes there is 38 % poverty (14 % is ultrapoverty) in DR SO TELL YOUR HAITIAN INVADERS TO LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR RESOURCES AND LAND! STAY OUT DR OR WE WILL REMOVE YOU BY FORCE!
From: Haiti
Stop lying to yourself, you know danm well that your nation cannot survive the economic impact that will have if all Haitians were to leave your country today. The same way the U.S cannot survive the economic impact if all foreigners were to leave that country.
From: Haiti
Letroudeballe, I know why you are so pissed. I can understand that. Louis Jean Boge like me, will not stand still and allowing you to mistreating our fellow Haitians. You know that the minute you start some shit like that, you will cease to exist! That's why you will never deal with people like me.
From: Dominican Republic
Before 1985, the Dominican worked in the agricultural, construction, and tourism area (there were approximately only 200,000 Haitian in DR). Then came the wave of Haitian to DR from Baby Doc departure , the Aristide's fiascos (1994 Clinton intervention and 2004 Bush interverntion), and the Haitian demographic explosion (5.6 million children). The Dominican entrepreneurs lowered their operating costs by hiring the cheaper Haitian labor (who worked for $ 4 dollars a day or lowering salaries to the point no one can have a family in DR) ignoring consequences to DR social, economic and political structure. Dominican focused on getting higher paying jobs through education.
Dominican can do the physical work just like they did before! It is you who came over and lowered salaries and crowding out the competition. To your surprise we made without you from 1844 to 1985!
The U.S. can survive without the Mexicans just like they did in 1981 and before!!!! M
From: Dominican Republic
Haiti, let's do the experiment. Take your 2 million Haitian and take them back to Haiti. And let's see what happens to DR? COMMON DO IT! I challenge the Haitian to prove Dominican wrong by moving their invading force back to Haiti. I am waiting! Are you that SALE PETIT PE'DE"?
Written by: antonioj, 16 May 2009 3:56 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: vacanos, 16 May 2009 11:21 AM
From: United States
etienc loca let me remind you this is a dominican site and if you don't like to hear what we dominicans want to say i suggest you find a haitian website for your own pleassure
"
Vacanos your understanding of the english language is extremely poor, go for your ESL at night and try DT in a couple of years, otherwise keep your mouth close.
From: Haiti
Letroudeballe, The U.S. can survive without the Mexicans just like they did in 1981 and before? Then who was picking tomatoes, cherries, blueberries, oranges, and strawberries, etc. prior to 1981? Also, keep in mind that the Mexicans are just a small fraction of the foreigners keeping the U.S. economy afloat. No Americans will work on a farm picking up tomatoes in a 120 degrees heat! They simply will not do it no matter how much you are willing to pay. One will just do it for a couple hours and after the 1st break, you will never him again. He will not even come back to pick his check. That's how much they hate doing this type of work.
From: Haiti
Letroudeballe, you have no idea of what you are talking about. It takes a few good men to take down a government. It only takes a single man to take down a whole country. Don't expect thousands or millions to do the job.
From: Dominican Republic
Lack of knowledge is a terrible condition to have. The Mexican did, and still do, the non-mechanized agricultural labor in California. In the Carolinas and Georgia, it is the afro-american who did the agricultural work. Florida still counted on the afroamerican and the Latin for their agricultural work. In the midwest (Illinois, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania) caucasoid did that work (now some hispanic are involved). In Nebraska, Kansas and Texas is the American and Hispanic who did and are still doing the work. In Louisiana, the American and afroamerican do the agricultural work. In the Northeast, the hispanic and the AMerican do the agricultural work. In the northwest, the Mexican do the agricultural work.
The U.S. economic can make it without the immigrants. The wheat and corn and their byproducts dominates the U.S. culinary appetite and that commodity is produced by AMERICAN! Whoever is telling you immigrants are keeping U.S. afloat is dreaming!
Written by: bordetas, 16 May 2009 4:18 PM
From: United States
Look at all these sisis popping their fists like they are something! Poverty doesn't discriminate. It is prevalent in all races, countries etc. You're attacking the wrong nation. You think simply because we don't have an army in Haiti, we stand no chance of defeating ya MF. Did you ever consider how the 1st Haitian President , Jean Jaques Dessaline and his followers defeated the french. Do ya not know we can turn all of you into zombies and feed your stinking asses to the sharks. Post ya pictures into this sites and I'll show you what Haitian power is. I will come and stab your asses in your sleep. Where are my Haitian Voodoo Priests? Teach those idiots a lesson. Make them sick and beg to go to Haiti. When they get there turn them into zombies, make them eat our poops and make them build Haiti just like our hard working Haitian brothers and sisters build their freaking island.
From: Haiti
Oh, you are so sure...Ask any African American farmer, he will tell you that unless it's his own farm, he will not work on the white's man farm. It brings back bad memory. By the way, African Americans own very few farms. The big corporations own most of them. All the states you have mentioned, mechanized or not, 95% of the people who work there are Hispanics and most of them are illegal because the owners cannot afford to pay legal workers and the benefits that come with hiring them.
From: Haiti
Letroudeballe, I am done with you for today. I may have another round with you next time on a different subject. Perhaps, more civil. That's if the moderator doesn't ban me as he does on a daily basis.
From: Dominican Republic
Go ahead and prove to the forum that 95 % of the physical (nonmechanized) agricultural labor done in the Midwest or in the Carolinas is done by Hispanic before 1981!
You over-reached and you came across as a pretender! Stop clowning and show data!
Written by: bordetas, 16 May 2009 4:32 PM
From: United States
"Please stopping spreading your ignorance to other topics!" Where the f... did you learn english man? Ooops, my bad. I almost forget if you were dominican!
From: Dominican Republic
Communication is both content and delivery. Delivery is proper language that portrays the meaning. Content is the message! You can sing and write poetry but your content is pure MERDE!
In terms of content, I can kick your freaking septic hole to the other side of Siberia!
Written by: bordetas, 16 May 2009 4:39 PM
From: United States
If your nation or country is so great, why are there so many of them here illegally in the US, and 99.9 percent of the legal ones on welfare
Written by: ateo1992, 16 May 2009 4:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
idc!!!
idc!!
id care!!
the bottom line is
mass deportation of illegals!!!!!!!! we can do this in less then a year
we can deport and not let a single one in again unless they come with legal documents!!!!!
BORDER REGULATIONS ARE NEEDED BEFORE IT TO LATE DAMMIT!!!
From: Dominican Republic
Let's see: DR has 10 million people. 0.6 million (DR born) lives in the U.S. and 0.5 million (U.S. born but with DR citizenship) lives also in the U.S. Another 0.2 million lives in Spain. 0.1 million lives in Venezuela.
Haiti has 9.6 million people. 4 million lives abroad. Any explanation?
We are not debating if DR is great. We are debating, the two million Haitian in DR should return to Haiti! THAT IS ALL! Of course, DR has a 38 % poverty rate that leads to emigration.
From: Haiti
The last time I encountered someone with that kind of attitude on a board like this, I found out he was a quadriplegic after a motorcycle accident, defecating on himself. Therefore, I try very hard not to take seriously when someone with kaki attitude posts anything on the board. You will be surprise to learn the condition of those posting on the board. Despite all, they still keep the same stinking attitude.
Written by: Paul1, 16 May 2009 5:14 PM
From: Haiti
Well I see the debate is really hot here. I think you guys like fighting one another. I am Haitian and I ador my country. I respect the dominican people. I hate the extremism in both sides. DOn t you forget that we can talk all the time, at least something really big happen, both people will have to live together in this Island.We will breathe some of the same air that s moving and dive in the same ocean waters.
But I want to say that it may have been more dominicans in Haiti than we think. And less Haitians in RD also .Look at this :
http://www.clavedigital.com/App_P....=14367&Id_ClassArticulista=44http://www.listindiario.com/app/article.aspx?id=93161From: United States, New York
I don't think people should be be discrimated against either, so here's a plan: let's mechanize the agricultural industry in DR, fine employers who hire illegal labor, and send ALL those that do not have access to citizenship back to Haiti. Oops, then u won't have anything to talk shit about!
From: United States, New York
bordetas, stop fooling yourself and disrespecting Dominican women. The first cases of HIV/AIDS in the western hemisphere were documented in Haiti, so Dominican women are not spreading anything Haiti doesn't already have. As a matter of fact a much larger percentage of the Haitian population is estimated to have AIDS, malaria, and TB so ain't no foreigner spreading anythinng.
"It is a disgrace for Haitian women to even experience sex before marriage" - LOL
Ever heard the saying, "el hambre tiene cara de hereje", well that's exactly what's happening in Haiti. It doesn't matter what's shameful or not, the country is falling apart, and can't feed its people so women will do anything to survive including prostitution in DR.
From: United States, New York
It seems the Haitian community has come together to twist DT's posters' usual views on this topic. Do you guys think you can come together and help Haiti, that way people won't have to leave?
Written by: Paul1, 16 May 2009 5:22 PM
From: Haiti
Well anyway I have to say that in Haiti we do not treat dominican the way they want to treat us in DR. We accept the dominican businessmen and women. We respect them as we respect our own citizens. Even if I must say that I want the border to be better controlled and the migration rules to be better appled, I think we cannot develop this kind of attitude one toward the other because in fact, it won t change the fact that we will always have to shar this Island. But of course, I will always say that WE haitians must re take control of our country. But to you (some extremist dominicans) it could be a good thing to think about all the dominican immigrants in other countries, would you like the USA or other countries to start acting with them as you act with haitians? Have you ever tried to think what it may be for someone who feels all this hate from you? Or if the rest of the world started to feel disdain for the dominican knowed "hantihaitianismo" and develop some "antidominicanismo" ?
From: United States, New York
Paul, there is a lot of antidominicanismo out there, lack of respect for our people and culture is what drives the international community to try and dump the Haitian problem solely on DR. They don't care if there's not enough school breakfasts for Dominican children, they're trying to prove a political point by getting DR's school system to forcefully accept all foreign kids. They don't care that the massive influx of illegal labor has basically stumped the Dominican man's ability to feed his family.
P.S. Nobody on DT "hates" Haitian immigrants. Haitian activists in DR did themselves a disservice by accusing the only country in the world that even lets them in of "modern day slavery"
Written by: bordetas, 16 May 2009 5:30 PM
From: United States
Paul1, don't waste your time educating these idiots. They are ignorant and brainless, they won't get your drift. I 'm a firm believer of the Malcom X philosophy, thereby I ain't respecting no bigots with an inferiority complex who formulate belligerent opinion of my Haitian people and who are minded to do them wrong. I wish I had practiced voodoo. I would teach ya
Written by: Paul1, 16 May 2009 5:37 PM
From: Haiti
Dominican chic,
with all my respect, for your people and for youself: no one can ask DR to do anything for Haiti. DR for itsel cant make anything. Most of the economic activity is made by foreigners. I m sorry but even if DR has a better economic situation,it s all because of what the International community wants in there. I won t say that you havent made anything.But please, it s ridiculous to say such a thing when we know for example you guys depend on foreign investments, foreign illegal "mano de obra" etc . I think the so called " orgullo dominicano" when it s about economy , is a big big big illusion.You think you are all that, but in fact the sold you a dream . I mean , when I read that some dominican say that USA or France want DR to endorse Haitis situation,I just laugh because the DR can t even manage itself (even if we can t compare with Haiti) SO you should stop thinking that.Anyways , DR will do wathever the International community imposes as will do Haiti.Stop dreaming.
Written by: Paul1, 16 May 2009 5:43 PM
From: Haiti
Well Bordetas my friend I can understand your feelings. It s hard for all of us to see how a large group of dominican hates our people .But I think we have to RESPECT everybody. We know that the dominicans have a lot of prejudices abou Haiti but those have been well developped by their elites since our own independance.I saw a link last week on this web page, let me pass it to you so that you can understand why they act like that.:
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/misctopic/dominican/antihaiti.htm
But the only response we can have my friend is to stop going to other countries like USA or Canada (I m taliking about people in the 20% well educated, and so called haitian middle class and the elite) and to get back home or to stay home to re-start working. Don t pay attention to hate messages .Nor to hate attitudes. We have to accept the price of our History. We are paying for what we have done for the world. And for what we have not done for ourselves. But we can change that.
Written by: bordetas, 16 May 2009 5:55 PM
From: United States
The Haitian government may be weak and will not stand for its people due to the fact that they are bought, but its people are not. We still have the blood of Jean Jacques Dessaline, Francois Dominique Toussaint L'ouverture running in our veins. You touch one Haitian, you touch all of them. This is not yet over. Mark my words. You will learn of my name and fear every Haitian you come across.
Written by: bordetas, 16 May 2009 6:14 PM
From: United States
As i said. Ya will learn of my name. I'm presently booking my flight to Haiti to perform a lavalas on ya asses.
Written by: bordetas, 16 May 2009 6:25 PM
From: United States
For starters, I just called that low life dominican and fired his ass. And later tonight me and boys will go down town the city and cripple some fags. All fags walk the same, so there'll be no troube picking them up. Other latinos need not to worry. We only want the dominicans.
Written by: bordetas, 16 May 2009 6:52 PM
From: United States
Paul1, I am a member of an organization composed of many professional from doctors, nurses, lawyers, developers, DBAs to engineers etc. who volunteer to go to Haiti and help our fellow Haitians in any way that we can. My brother is a doctor and my oldest sister is a nurse, they both already went last year and were caring for the ills at several hospitals. The DBAs, developers and QA Testers are scheduled to go this summer.
Little do they know. They'll be amazed of how many Haitians residing abroad including myself who yearn to go back to our beloved country. Most of us are already building our houses over there.
From: United States, New York
Paul, I beg to differ. You do have a point in that it is ridiculous to think the international community would want a country like DR with its own ills to take care of Haitians, but you're forgetting a very important factor - racism. As a black country, neither the USA nor France want such a large influx of people from that country. The pressure on DR with the whole Haitian immigrants issue has come after the Haitian refugee boatlift to Florida in the 90's. To cite a specific example, can you really find any logic to providing "aid" to places like bateyes to keep the status quo rather than forcing the Dominican government to mechanize the sugar industry? There isn't any, but if those people aren't in DR, their next stop would naturally be boats to Florida.
From: United States
I do not need to read the posts . I can verify the names of the posters and guess that they are vomiting insults at each others.
This forum has been entertaining and nurturing extremists on both sides.
I have said it before and I am going to say again :
Haitians go back to yout country!
Dominicans think that you are a public nuisance, a national manace , and a social danger bent of destroying their country just like you have done to yours ( Haiti)
They want to force you back to Haiti by " ANY...MEANS...NECESSARY"
Eventually ,you will return to Haiti, Mark my words !!!!!
You will !
you will !
Yes you will !
A little boy and a little girl were standing naked and the little girl asks the little boy: can I touch your lillte pene and the little boy says: no you have cut yours and you want to cut mine !!!!!
Words of two little children !!!!!
Written by: hvargas, 16 May 2009 7:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So, if I don't like somboby for whatever personal reason it makes me a racist --- wrong ---. As a dominican I have the right to say who enters my house who does not, who I want in my house and whom I do not. Unfortuanately for Haiti they had not taken as good care of themselves as Dominican -- that is as a country. It's not the fault of D.R. that Haiti is in the mess that it has been for decades and decades and D.R. has its own political problems but is not creating an expansion of such problems as Haiti. The international community wants D.R. to play a greater role and responsibilities towards a population that is not a dominican " PROBLEM ". Some of the comments made in this forum are out of line and shows the lenght of ignorance but again everyone is entitle to his and her opinion.
From: Dominican Republic
UN: 30,000 Haitian children smuggled annually
http://english.people.com.cn/200511/08/print20051108_219788.htmlAround 30,000 Haitian children are illegally smuggled into the Dominican Republic every year to work as child prostitutes or be forced into other degrading occupations, UN and Organization of American States (OAS) officials said on Sunday.
In Haiti itself, children are recruited as gang members or are tortured, kidnapped, sexually and physically abused, abandoned and traded like personal property, the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF), the United Nations children's fund, and the Organization of American States' Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, said.
Source: China Daily
From: Dominican Republic
Haiti child slavery and prostitution U.S. report
http://www.dol.gov/ilab/media/reports/iclp/tda2004/haiti.htmIncidence and Nature of Child Labor
The ILO estimated that 21.8 percent of children ages 10 to 14 years in Haiti were working in 2002. A 2002 survey by the Fafo Institute for Applied Social Sciences estimated that 173,000, or 8.2 percent of children ages 5 to 17 years, were child domestic workers. Many domestic workers, known as restaveks, work without compensation, reach the age of 15 to 17 years without ever having attended school, are forced to work long hours under harsh conditions, and are subject to mistreatment, including sexual abuse.
An estimated 2,500 to 3,000 Haitian children are trafficked annually to the Dominican Republic. According to UNICEF, the civil unrest in 2004 has resulted in an increased number of children trafficked to the Dominican Republic to work as beggars or prostitutes.
From: United States
please don't answer to the trou de mierda.
fear, passion. bigotry, fixation .impatience , projection,prejudice ,and ignorance have taken over compassion.logic, tolerance common sense, history ,economics.
From: Haiti
Letroudeballe, no matter what you say on this board, no one will listen to you. First of all if you were so concerned about the DR and its people, you would have not left it to be on welfare in the U.S. You are most likely not Dominican. You are hiding behind this board in an attempt to causing chaos. A lot of Dominicans have ties with Haitians and would not call for violence against them. We all agreed that both countries need to control their borders to prevent illegal traffic of any kind. I have many Dominican friends and family. Believe me, I only deal with high class and because I am high class. I can tell you how low you are in the food chain according to your postings. My only suggestion to people is to not read anything something like you writes.
Written by: antonioj, 16 May 2009 9:17 PM
From: Canada, home safe
TroudemerdeGeneroso is a sick puppy, you have been warned, rabbies are contagious stay away for the good of your own mental health.
From: United States
please ignore the trou de mierda
From: United States
trou means : hole
balle means : bullet
the man was shot in the head and there is a hole in his head
His brain , the seat of intelligence is irreversibly damaged
his brain the source of all quallties that define his humanity is damaged
he is not Dominican. he is an instigator and gets sexual gratification when he pits a Haitian against a Dominican
each time he posts a nasty comments he gets an erection
ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!11
Written by: Gizmo 
, 16 May 2009 9:42 PM
From: United States
Haitian4Life you don't know me! how you come up with s**t that i'm living on welfare. You freaking Haitians think youre so high post and you don't have s**t too show only WORDS!!!!! Your country is the latrine of the western hemisphere and least developed, the poorest Dominican has more than any Haitian. So get you're s**t straight, again you people brag and boast so much but don't have s**t to show!!!!! Actions speak louder than words and you're people live in denial and are self destructive, keep your cancerous generation in check you will feel the pain of the children of Duarte and Santana!!!!!
Written by: antonioj, 16 May 2009 10:26 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: etiennc01, 16 May 2009 9:26 PM
From: United States
trou means : hole
balle means : bullet"
I agree Troudemerde is not Dominican by birth, however he's Dominican from the heart let's give him credit for that, the only thing we ask from him is to shut his "trou" and stop spewing hatred
Written by: telemeco, 17 May 2009 9:06 AM
From: United States, Paterson, New Jersey
I WANT A WALL BUILD NOW, seed the border with un-passable forest and poisoned plant.. and deport all Haitian and get them fingerprinte. build a fortress city in Dajabon, a bridge for pedestrian and a close market for the haitian to come a buy food,,have one border crossing in the south and another in the north..stablish more Navy present in montecristi and perdenales
and just to show all haitian i aint that bad,,,we will donate tree so you can plant it in your side of the island, when we see green in the other side,,maybe we will you a cookie for good behavior.
HERE WATCH MY VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T6Rh8vlKusGUERRA AL INVASOR, Estirpe Imperial
From: United States
bordetas. you are barking at the wrong tree.
The tyrants, the fools, the ciminals,the sorcerers
the psychos who have
ruled Haiti were the ones who have turned Haiti into the HELLITI the country is now.
Curb your displaced agression.
Let me tell you in simpler, calmer words.
Haitians go back home
As a half haitian and half Dominican myself this is the message that I have heard.
Go bck home and now if there are Dominicans entities who want to bring you back on
the Dominican soil let them educate the gizmosof the necessity of having Haitians on the Dominican soil. Let these entities the telemecos Economics 101
At least you will be respected and your participation in the
building the New Dominican Republic will be appreciated.
Mexicans are receiving the same mixed Mickey mouse signals: come we need you to do jobs that Americans do want and go home
No migration happens by accident, There is always a pull factor designed by interested entities
From: United States
Watch the video PEREJIL produced by
telemeco and directed by gitzmo to
understand the danger of stepping on Dominican soil univited.
Written by: Paul1, 17 May 2009 10:12 AM
From: Haiti
Well guys, both camp can continue to talk . You can hate the other . But true facts talk for themselves. People in DR don t even imagine how many haitian businesmen have their assets in their country. In Haiti there are some dominican investments. But there are more haitian investments in DR. I know haitian who own hotels and restaurant there,factories, real esta properties , "constructoras", etc... but they don t know that.In Haiti we have nearly all the beauty studios owned by dominican women, some retaurants, and otehr businesses .
And of course for my own, I know a lot of haitian-dominican families. High class families whre the parents are haitan and dominican. The thing is the economic and even intelectual elites are getting closer. Of course on boh sides we have the extremists. Dominicans think they are better because of the economic situation they have regarding to Haiti. Haitian think they are better because of their culture, their authenticity, their History ...LOL
Written by: Paul1, 17 May 2009 10:21 AM
From: Haiti
But I want to say that the problems of Haiti are really positive for the dominican people. When in the 80 s they said that Haitian had HIV, all our tourists started to go to DR where they wanted to boost their tourism industry.When the political stuggle started in 86 trough today , many multinationals closed and went to DR. When that happened, many haitian of poor economic conditions went to the DR to work , feeding the need for "mano de obra barata" that the DR needed to attract investments(because most of the investment was made by foreigners,not dominicans) ,and so on. SO I can Say that the bad situation of Haiti is a big factor of the so called" dominican progess". Without Haiti being in such a mess, or better said with Haiti having the same standar we had in the past , when Trujillo said he would like Santo Domingo to be like Port au Prince in the time, the DR would probaly not be like it is now.Maybe the Int.Comu. has to see in that to protect or improve their investments in DR.
Written by: Paul1, 17 May 2009 10:34 AM
From: Haiti
SO I think that the feelings of the dominican , I mean the educated people, may be really mitigated. They say they would like Haiti to be better.But they know that if Haiti stand up again and walk, the Dom.Economy may suffer: less haitian pay-less workers, less haitian importations, less haitian students (legal ones which are up to 20 000 and spending there for a living =apartments, money transfers , spendings of all sort...) etc. For exemple , we have the biggest flour mill of all Central America and the Carribean in Haiti . If we have 20 "biggest" industries , this could generate a situation in my country unfavorable to the DR. And of course don t forget that the dominican "economy" lay on foreigners. Those people have interest in the DR so they won t allow Haiti to get up so we can t be a menace for their investments; they want those hatian underpaid workers,and of course the haitian market who bought for more than 500 millo $ US last year in DR.
Written by: AzuaNYC, 17 May 2009 1:06 PM
From: United States, Washington Heights, NYC
What can Dominicans in the diaspora do to help resolve this problem? Should we pressure the puppets in office? Any suggestions?
From: Dominican Republic
Paul get a job! DR exponentially progressed from 1950 to 1985 with minimal Haitian labor or needing the Haitian market.
I hope Haiti takes the route of helping its people so that they're women stop having 6 children per vagina! We hope they stop the environmental destruction, demographic explosion (29 births/1000 people), the use of violence for settling differences, ultracorruption, discrimination (Creole vs. French and the racial overtone against the white), slavery (Restavek), drugs/weapons distribution point, etc.
Given that DR has the better land, better atittude towards the environment, and less political instability (of course, our people are less violent that the neighbors), Haiti is not a competition. However, Cuba is! PR suffers from that high inflation and being ruled by another country.
Exaggeration and making connections where there are no dots! Paul1 shut it quickly!
From: Dominican Republic
Paul, I dare all the Haitian to leave DR to see if DR will collapse! COMMON GO HOME! LET"S SEE WHAT HAPPENS?
Written by: Paul1, 17 May 2009 1:28 PM
From: Haiti
Wow Letrou seems to be really ignorant.This is you right to think what you want.But that s the truth.The Haitian bad situation is and has always been a fuel to the dominican economy. And whathever you may think , Haiti will always be a competition for you . Why? Because even of what they say , we have a lot of natural ressources , a rich culture, a young "mano de obra" , a virgen country(so that nearly any field of activity can attratc investors) , the country with most coastline after Cuba in the Carribbean , You have only to dream that in my country they still vote for those ignorant. But if we have a Charlito or a Manigat as president , things may change. You should also be aware because if we accept the binationality , we ll get tons of foreigners and haitian diasporas who will invest in Haiti. DOn t you ever forget etither that you DEPEND on foreign investment.Dominicans are not rich .To end,Raymundo Haché and others will be in Haiti with Haitian investors on 21-05-09 asan example
Written by: Paul1, 17 May 2009 1:34 PM
From: Haiti
And yes I can ensure you that if all the Haitians in DR decide to leave in one day , you will collapse for a while : the tourism is lower, the remittances are lower, so you need this payless workers to be "competitive " for the investors who invest in your country. Also if Haiti opens the shores so that we lower our taxes on products imported in other countries, this will affect a lottt. Also if our 20-30 000 students leave , it won t hurt that much , but it will affect a little those who rent them appartment, the remmittances, the universities themselves etc.YOU DEPEND ON HAITI AS HAITI DEPEND ON YOU. That does not mean without Haiti you wil COLLAPSE entirely.Nor we. But there is a lot of interdependance.ANd I repeat that if Haiti gets better, it won t be good for you.
And to end, I was talking with an economist who ensured me that Haitians in DR generate nearly 150 000 000 USD every year for your country.Make your research.
Written by: antonioj, 17 May 2009 1:38 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Letrou every once in awhile will make some very valid points. Paul is hard to top that I think he's right on all the issue he mentioned above.
From: Dominican Republic
A little history is in order. In 1980, there were only 200,000 Haitian in DR (mostly in the Bateyes) and our population was nearly 5 million people.
Our remittances come from Dominican abroad. Our tourism is dependent on our environmental laws and respect for the environment, the Cuba embargo, and the political stability that allows the internationals invest in DR.
Our exports mostly go to the U.S., Belgium, South Korea/Taiwan, etc. Our free trade zone are mostly run by the U.S. and Spain. And before 1985, Dominicans worked in the coffee, tobacco, tomatoes, and other crops before the cheap labor showed up and since Dominican entrepreneur are true capitalists they hired the cheap labor.
What universities? Are you that stupid? We have our universities with trained personnel, technology, and infrastructure that have nothing to do with Haiti! We have students from all over especially in medicine!
Don't lecture me about DR! Go and learn about your tribe better.
From: Dominican Republic
Go ahead! Leave! Tell your haitian to leave! Let"s see if you are right! Let's see who will suffer! Do it! Are you that chicken or full of fart? Take action and don't talk about it!
Written by: PeRod 
, 17 May 2009 2:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Paul1, you said that “if all the Haitians in DR decide to leave in one day, [we] will collapse for a while” and that can be matter of discussion but what is going to happen in Haiti? That is not matter of discussion, it would be a total disaster. What is going to do Haiti with 2,000,000 Haitians more (or use your favorite number) with the worst immigration quality in this world? Your present 70% unemployment rate where is going to end? 90%? 95%? Without us Haiti would be a social bomb. And there are Haitians in our schools and in our hospitals, what are they going to do in Haiti? If you buy something in the Dominican Republic you are not doing us a favor, you are doing business. If you could buy with better conditions our goods and services you will do it at once without any mercy. You are doing it with the poultry products. Take with you your cheap labor, do not buy our goods and services and let see what happens with Haiti.
From: Dominican Republic
What you have is 5.6 million children who are sick, illiterate, poor, and violent. Your women are just big receptacles and your old are trying to care for your children.
Keep dreaming. Haiti can not compete with DR. DR has incredibly more resources than Haiti. Which is why investor look east before they look west!
Clean up your house and produce before pounding your feeble chest!
Written by: PeRod 
, 17 May 2009 2:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Open your eyes, Haitians: you cannot live without us. It is as simple as that.
From: Dominican Republic
Perod thanks for guiding the young KONGS to see their reality! That is why I challenged the Haitian to leave and let's see who will suffer! They depend on us more than we depend on them! They are the one who injected themselves to us (and not the other way around)!
From: Dominican Republic
Gizmo thanks for detailing the behavior of the KONGS in DR!!!!!
From: Dominican Republic
16/5/2009
Moradores de Guatapanal demandan sacar haitianos; dicen han asesinado a machetazos a diez dominicanos Sunday, May 17, 2009
http://www.elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=152145 Favio Antonio Mercado(alcalde pedaneo),Esperanza Duran ,Ana Sofia reyes Colon y el alcalde muerto por los haitiano Manuel Ant. Mercado.
10:56 PM - MAO, Valverde, R.D. Residentes En la comunidad de Ginamagao, perteneciente al Distrito Municipal de Guatapanal, demandan de las autoridades casar a los haitianos de la zona, por la incertidumbre en que viven. Esta comunidad con una población habitacional de cuatro mil 302 personas, compuesta por 616 familias viven de la agricultura, pero los haitianos los mantienen en zozobra, según denuncian.
Denuncian que en los últimos tiempos, los haitianos han asesinado a machetazos a diez dominicanos; otras, en cambio han resultado heridas con lesiones permanentes.
Written by: BASTA, 17 May 2009 3:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, = Ghetto-SPM-Barrio Blanco
Deporting a few Haitians back home is not a permanent solution. Deporting them all and close the borders will be a permanent solution-
yep and kick out every Dominican out of the US all they do is sell drugs
Written by: Gizmo 
, 17 May 2009 4:54 PM
From: United States
To Basta, Is you're type of Dominican that's going to make me change my nationality soon! Believe me son i could blend in easily somewhere else, the question is can you do the same. Soon you will become Haitianized if there's no president with balls, like that punk Leonel A.K.A. Lionel Richie. Etch this in you're brain "PARIAH," that's what Haiti is injecting in D.R. a pariah state syndrome.
Written by: hvargas, 17 May 2009 5:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
To any Haitian that feels that D.R. can't survive if all the Haitians leave D.R. -- In the early 60's a U.S. Embasador said the following on his report to the U.S. " the D.R. is a country that can sustain itself ". His report was revealing that D.R. natural resourses is so rich that it can support its population and has no need for import. It has a rich agriculture capable of feeding its growing population. D.R. is the better part of the Island and even with its political conflicts it still does better than Haiti. The problems with Haiti is a " POLITICAL ONE " and cause of this they have only themselves to blame. You cannot go out of your shore and placed blames for your ills and for your conducts towards one another inside Haiti. Saying that if you harmed one Haitian is an attack on all Haitian, this is something that should be say when Haitian stop their own treatments towards one another. At this moment Haiti is occupied by U.N. Forces and other international Forces and there is
Written by: hvargas, 17 May 2009 6:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
very little respect for law and order. D.R. just like any other country has the right to gathered and deport those that are illigally in their country. Dominicans who are illigally in the U.S. get deported and so far it is expect that so may thousanths of dominican will be deported back to D.R. setting an all time record and 2009 is not yet over. The legall Haitian community in D.R. has no problem living, working and prospering in D.R. This is not a problem of " RACISM " between one culture and another but rather a Political problem of deprivations imposed upon the Hatian population by its own " GOVERNMENT ". This causes the population on the other side of the Island to be more apprehensive and more protective of itself and its environment -- as to the increase of a poor population not only of dominican but of hatian as well. If it were the reverse Haiti will do the same.
Written by: antonioj, 17 May 2009 6:12 PM
From: Canada, home safe
these barbarics acts are repugnant....
From: United States
why do cocks fight?
Written by: Paul1, 17 May 2009 6:51 PM
From: Haiti
Written by: kmnupe, 17 May 2009 7:07 PM
From: United States, NYC
Paul,
I agree with you , but, I also agree with the Dominicans asking for the removal of the unproductive and other illegals in their country.
They will be no reasonable dialogue with them unless a plan to stop the migration and lower the undocumented population is implemented.
Written by: vrosie63, 17 May 2009 9:20 PM
From: Haiti
I really don't understand what's going on with you guys? The earth is for God only. we are here to do God's will, love one and other, who are we to judge who should live where? look around you and see what's going on. it's time for peace. we are passing through. God has better dreams for us. why can't we live happy with one and other
Written by: vrosie63, 17 May 2009 9:27 PM
From: Haiti
I pray that you guys find it in your heart to forgive each other. life is too short for nonsense. try to see how we can support each other. Remember about judgement time. each one of us has to answer to our creator. no matter how different things seem to be, we all came from the same father. hate is not from God. don't let the devil dictate you what to do. find it in your heart to get along. no one will like to be poor. there most be a reason for things to happen this way, instead of being at each other throat, let fix things together. let sit down to talk. Remember we are all human, and we have one father who is in heaven
From: Dominican Republic
Is this guy vrosie63 serious?
LMAO!
Written by: vrosie63, 17 May 2009 9:45 PM
From: Haiti
yes, i am.
From: Dominican Republic
No, you're not.
Written by: vrosie63, 17 May 2009 10:03 PM
From: Haiti
well, i dont't remember asking tou to believe in me. everyone entitle to his or her opinion. i can't add fire to your turmoil.
Written by: vrosie63, 17 May 2009 10:04 PM
From: Haiti
Like I said before, who are we to tell people where to live when the earth doesn't belong to us?
From: Dominican Republic
Land owners.
From: Dominican Republic
We are world leaders, we have a nation with a distinct people and we build a civilization. This is not a jungle without laws anymore.
Written by: Gizmo 
, 17 May 2009 11:22 PM
From: United States
Paul1 that list is not impressive at all the Dominican Republic exports more to Haiti, than Haiti exports to D.R. Another thing the U.S. trade with D.R. leaves Haiti in the dust, what the hell Haiti produces, i tell you very little to nothing, your country can't compete with the U.S. markets lion share keep on dreaming!!!!! LOL.
From: United States
Why do cocks fight ?
How would I know ? Cocks just fight until they kill each other.
Written by: Paul1, 18 May 2009 12:34 AM
From: Haiti
Well Gizmo , my point is not to compete. haiti as a BAD economic situation. The US are the principal partners of nearly all the countrie in the world. Well I don t wat you to think I don t agree with those who ask for all the illegals to be removed from the DR. It s normal, even fair for a country to control who enters in its territory,What I say is that it could be more reasonable if we all knew all the facts about the situation.ANd for those who say there are not any Haitian businesmen in DR you re wrong.There are a lot. I know them personnally.As some are white or light skin, you may not know they are haitians.But they are. And there are a lot dominican businesman in Haiti. I agree that DR exports more to Haiti than the reverse. But that means the Haitian market is IMPORTANT for you,In this competitive world and this f... crisis ,it may be difficult to desserve all the other traditional markets.Rich haitian and dominican work together,some marry and have bi-national interests.
From: United States
Oh lord I am so educated, so informed, so militant and yet nobody hears me .
Noone wants to support my cause
They call my mission immature,foolish not reasonable not feasible and utopic
I am left in the cold night, naked, angry,without any weapons to fight my cause.
All I can do is utter loud, deep,prolonged sounds in rage and distress
Written by: Paul1, 18 May 2009 12:43 AM
From: Haiti
And my friend you should know that the US do not really trade with DR and leave Haiti in dust. You must know that many business in the DR are for american citizens protecting american capital in DR. SO you have the ILLUSION that those are dominicans trading while in fact they are americans or spaniards.Few Dominican authentic family are at the higher level of the businesses there.Most are foreigners .The supermarkets and hotels are for spanish most of the time.Well I RESPECT dominicans. I admire what some politicians and some people have made. But I also know the reality of most dominicans. I saw the famous"barrios".I saw poverty there too. I think most of you guys may be living in a perpetual illusion. Well I am happy for you if you feel good.But I don t think it honors anyone being happy of the struggles of someone else. I mean Haiti has a lot of problems. This will last for a while.But it should be a motive of happiness for you.We didn t treat you like that after we sign peace.
From: United States
when i change the way i see a situation , the situation changes,
i am just a espectator not an actor.
oh dios dame la serenidad para aceptar las cosas que no puedo cambiar
dame el coraje para cambiar las cosas que puedo cambiar
y la sabiduria para conocer la diferencia
it is sad to witness how hard haitians are fighting to stay in the dominican republic by posting so much garbages
i read their weakness, their displaced agression.their vain nationalism,their lies ,their exaggerations.
i am baffled by the cowardice of the haitians posters who refuse to channel their anger to:rue des casernes port-au-prince haiti where rene preval resides
i commend the dominicans who have remained firm, fixed,sure,direct,constant in their characterization of haitians are not human beings and must leave the dr
i read with a certain embarassment the haitians posters who have been erractic and always in a state of mental agitation and disturbance unable to accept the word " deportation"
From: United States
the purpose of shame
shame is a painful emotion caused by a strong sense of guilt.
shame helps you modify on change your behavior, the way you treat one another.
all the dominican posters are doing is to lead haitians to experience shame feeling guilty for having turned haiti into helliti and make the country unlivable.
how many times have we heard these words ; shame on you. shame on you"
how do we feel when they tell us shame on shame on you ?
do we spit insults ?
well if we spit insults we will never change or modify our behavior.
you have been destroying you country, you have become a public nuisance,shame in you sshame on you,what do you do ?
curse.spit insults ?
well shame on you againg for being wicked, imature, irresposable.
shame on you for destroyinh your coutry and shame on you for refusing to accept resposability to clean your mess !!!!!
Written by: Gizmo 
, 18 May 2009 2:02 AM
From: United States
Paul1 most businesses in Dominican Republic are Dominican owned and yes there are Spaniards who own resorts in the country theirs also Dominicans that are in partnership with them, don't ever think that Dominicans don't own a large stake of businesses in there own country. These businesses bring revenue to the country through circulation of currency and taxes, and contribute in creating jobs and services in the economy. Haitians don't own jack, keep on believing in these fictitious Haitian beings LOL..... Haitians are the cheap laborers in the country thats all, thank you but no thanks. Look at the link and shut you're trap.....
http://www.rodriguezsandoval.com/ Paul1 talk is cheap, you people haven't even helped in developing you're own country, Haitian goverments have squandered everything in a selfish and stupid manner now you want to take credit for something that you can't ever claim. Your a pathetic being and you're jealousy is showing through your sorry filled soul.
Written by: lamesi, 18 May 2009 2:51 AM
From: United States
The Dominicans and Haitians of lebanese and Syrians descent are LOL to see how the divide and conquer system is working on their benefits.The brown skin Dominicans and the dark skin Haitians will never mean anything to these Syrians and Lebanese who control the economy of the island. I'm absolutely certain that none of us on this forum Haitians are Dominicans alike own anything in the respective countries.The capitalisst do not care about Haitians or Dominicans wherever the cheap labor is that what they like. They want to use Haitians or Dominicans in the Bronks or Brooklyn they will use you.The civil society of the Dominican Republic has the capacity to have the parliement and the arm force of the DR deport all Haitians, but the question remain is it what the multinationals want. The jobs that the Dominicans leave for the Haitians are the same jobs they are doing in Miami for $7/hr.
From: United States
Yes , you keep insulting each other like you can solve this crisis.
Yes , you keep producing stupid data like you can influence the course of these events.
Crisis means danger of Dominicans and Haiians terrorizing , brutalizing,dehumanizing demonizing each other.
Crisis also ofers the opportunity to solve the conflict that causes the crisis in the first place.
Conflict neans that Dominicans do not have enough food to share with Haitians .Haitians must go back to Haiti and have the testicular courage(Mete grenn nan bouda yo) and start a new revolution so you can have mature. adult leaders to lead Haiti oou of its present mess.
This is this mess that have forced Haitians to leave Haiti to become a public nuisansce a national menace in the Dominica Republic.
You Haitians keep saying that the Dominican Republic needs you well. let's have a new official contract to show your contention.
You are creating the gitzmos and many more minigitzmos
From: United States
that will eventually devour you.
gitzmo was not born by accident.The conflict between Haitians and Dominicans created this hatefull creature.
Written by: Gizmo 
, 18 May 2009 9:13 AM
From: United States
Lamesi you're name says it all you're lame slow in the brain, Haiti and Dominican Republic are two totally different scenarios. You can't compare apples and oranges, there's no 1.5 million illegal Dominicans or more in Haiti, it's the other way around you're people presently are a pest in the Dominican Republic too many people.
From: United States
Some of us post comments to challenge other posters to analyze,reorganize or discrminate
Some of us post comments challenging other posters to judge,evaluate,or criticize
Some of us post comments to for others posters relaxation.enjoyment and inspiration
Some of us lacking all human capacity to do the above just pass informations that we fear for our life and our family's life and we are going to use deadly force stop the threat.
gitzmo fears for his life and lets us us know that he is going neutralize the threat posed by Haitians
First he is going to demonize then, then he is going to demonize tem and finally he is going to neutralize them.
gitzmo is not here for debate and discussion.He is here to annouce his hate for Haitians and he fears for his life and he is going to use deadly force to stop the threat.
gitzmo and the other mini gitzmo wil extermintae Haitians where ever he meets them even here in the US.
Written by: marsenb, 18 May 2009 12:57 PM
From: Haiti
Remember guys, we all have to answer to our creator one day. stop the hatress. God is love. Now, everybody is fighthing for a peace of land that was given free to us by our creator. why don't you guys stop and look around. We are at end of time. It's time for peace. Loving one another is one of the 10 commendements left for us by God. where is the love? where is the unity? look at nature, nothing is the same color, and that's what makes the beauty of things. everything happens for a reason. why don't we stop the fighting and give praise to Lord. we are getting upset, raising our bp for nothing. Vengeance is for the Lord. why are you guys acting this way against another human being. Every day we can get up and see the sun, we can get up and see our love one. we should give praise to God. Stop the nonsense. we all have the same color blood. At the end of time, we will appear infront of our creator not as dominican nor Haitian but as God children.
From: United States
marsenb,
I really appreciate your wisdom note but this forum is dedicatd to ttoday's Dominicannsto share their fears, the threats facing their country , the deadly steps that they will take to stop the threats.
Some of them fear that Haitians are taking over their country posing a threat to their daily life , their culture Haitians being have no business coiing in this forum to trade insults with the Dominicans.
Haitians have fell right into the trap set by the Dominicans ,See what they write. See the threats they poseto us, See the nasty things they are say about us. !!!!!
The erratic , immature comments posted by the Haitian ignorants just confirm the fear that Dominicans have been taking about.
I wish that Haitians shoud show some decency and just shut the hell uop.
They have no argument, The Dominicans say that they are a public nuisance a threat to their national security they should just pack up and leave teh DR or the Dominicans will do it the perejil way
From: Dominican Republic
etienc01 understands.
Written by: marsenb, 18 May 2009 5:06 PM
From: Haiti
to etiennec01:what threat are you talking about. again, i am going to ask you the same thing. who are we to tell people where to live? instead of thanking God every day for things in our lives, we are wasting time by fighting each other. Turn to God for help. if you really feel that people are taking over your country, talk to God. Seek him and everything else will follow. And by the way none of us has a country.God just give us a place to live.it's not the time to waste time in nonsense. if God decides to wipe the universe, what will happen then. We are passing through, make the best of our time here on earth. Again, when we die, are we going to go in front of God as Dominican, Haitian, American.No, i don't think so. God only knows us as his children. God doesn't discriminate.
From: Dominican Republic
marsenb: Then why don't lions live with wolves in the same space since they are also God's children?, it doesn't matter how much we are God's children, we just naturally want to be with our own.
Written by: marsenb, 18 May 2009 8:57 PM
From: Haiti
OH! I did not know dominicans are animals! How could you compare humain to animals? you must be very ignorant to make such comparison.No need to reply back.So i need to address myself to real humain....ok
From: Dominican Republic
Humans have natural instincts. I don't know about you, but I feel more comfortable around Dominicans than around Haitians or Spaniards.
From: United States
The message is clear. This is not about illegal immigration. It is about Haitians, Some Dominicans just hate Haitians.
It does not matter where they live ,whether they are doctors , lawyers, rich ,poor living in a mansions,they just hate them,
Fortunately , they are just a few judging by the number of antiHaitian comments
From: United States, Bella Vista,Santiago
What did i say these debates always go the same.some half-witt haitian comes and unleashes his ignorence and stupidness then some dominican comes in and slaps them back down to there level with facts, then another haitian whiner comes in and the circle continues.Haitians love proving that the stereotypes we dominicans say about them are ture.
From: United States
XxMolotovCocktailxX
What is it ?
A variety of improvised incendiary weapons used to terrorrize to kill . to harm, to maim
Incendiary weapons are used 80% of the times by extremists,terrorrists ,fanatics and other psychos
Judging by by this name the winners(alarmists for some) are right to predict a grim plan to deal with Haitians illegals and call upon good Dominicans (and there are many) to quickly find a human way to return Haitians back to Haiti.
XxMolotovCocklailxX, What an angry person!
From: United States
until dominicans realize haitians are the long lost cousin that you hate to aknowledge. i learned the other day, the former president trujillo ancestry on his mother side was haitian. he killed thousands of haitians to make dr more white. dominicans you complain about the haitians taken over your country. so now i'm going to complain about you taking over mines! you guys come here and take up space in washington heights. you live in building basements and your reluctant to learn english. when you come to america you seem to forget that majority of you all are poor and have limited education. i've been to santo domingo,santiago,puerto plata. i have see more poverty than upper class neighborhoods. yes you have beautiful areas for the rich. i've also been to a haitian businessmen house in the suburbs of punta cana. what i saw there was a beautiful house with children playing maids cooking and clean and his beautiful haitian wife!! dominicans you don't like hatians and we dont like you.
From: United States
Blkemerican
We don't need any lunatics here
.Some of us are trying to solve the Haitian Dominican conflict peacefully and humanely
FYI : Haitians are invading the DR like it was one of Haitian provinces
They are dumping their children on the streets of Santiago
They are crowding Dominican Hospitals seeking healh care and giving birth
They r loitering carriyng machettes and ready to kill Dominicans
They are a disgrace law abiden Haitian university students and professionals
They are a public nuisance and a national menace
Haitians leaders in Haiti are liars, criminals, turbulent and nuture mistrust for each other
Dominicans are tired of this situation and want to take matter into their own hands.
Your posts are useless ,irresponsable,dangerours. they will stir up passion and harden the position of the extremists.
They will help radicalize the fanatics who can still inflict severe hardship on Haitians living in the DR
Please shut the hell up !
From: United States
This is not about Haitians who are making it in the United Sates, This is about the Haitians that you yourself and your relatives have long time ignored, traumatized,abused, misused.
Spare me these crocodiles tears.
We understand your agenda. Leave it to the Dominicans to care for the breed of Haitians that you and your frienes and family do notwant to deal with.
te conosco bacalao auque vengas disfrazado.
You and your kind have treated this breed of Haitians worse than the Dominicans.
You are just an instigator and are provoking the Dominicans to do your dirty work:The extemonation of poor and ignorant Haitians.
You go back to Haiti and like you always do: gather all the Haitians that you t\do not like and exterminate them.
Cedras have done it and General Antonio Kebrean has done it before
From: United States
why don t you and your rich Haitians go to the bateys and help out ?
Read General Antonio Kebreau
From: United States, Bella Vista,Santiago
BLKAMERICAN,You just proved my point with your comment thanks...So im an ignorent bastard for writing the truth ok.Your brain is so infected with ignorence that you even went as far as saying haitians have been more successful then dominicans in the US,sure if that helps you haitians sleep better at night, if that will give haitian a reason not to immigrate to DR believe what you want.
From: United States
if you didn't need haitian workers why do major corporations hire them. why is your own people going to haiti and giving them fake papers to come to your country. yes haiti is a messed up place for them but they are looking for stability just like you guys are when yall board the boat to go to puerto rico. the mona passage is very dangerous but you dominicans try yall best to get there. why is that? puerto ricans can't stand you people. so yall dont like haitians because they want a better way of life. puerto ricans can't stand dominicans because they go to puerto rico for a better way of life. very smart people. every dominican in the united states isnt legal. the you see people beating them up because they want to work and feed their families. no we deal with it and hire them. then we have to deal with them speaking no english, not knowing what a resume is etc. i can go on all day.
Written by: Trujillo, 19 May 2009 8:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I have a solution that I bet all those people from Europe and elsewhere would LOVE. We already know you people care sooo much for the haitian people and you want them to have better lives, that's why you want the DR to accept millions of them, if not all of them in the DR. The thing is that the DR is not as wealthy and as "loving" as you are of the haitian people, so I think you should open the borders of your countries to millions of haitians, if not ALL of them so they could have better lives and be treated so much more humanly, as I'm sure you people will treat them. That would solve the haitian problem and the island could finally be unified under total control of the DR. The island becomes the DR and all haitians live happily in their new homes in Europe and other countries where they would be welcomed, I'm sure of that!
Written by: Gizmo 
, 20 May 2009 1:32 AM
From: United States
BLKAMERICAN another ignorant troll on the prawl talking falsehoods as always!
From: United States
How useful are these comments ???
What problems they will be solving ?
What a waste of talent and intellect !!!!!
From: United States
Two groups of people who decide that each day they are goibg to be at each other throats.
The can wait wait for day break so they can rush to their computer and type insilts.
They spend the whole night unable to sleep. They turn around in their bed having nightmares.
They are stressed out can not even have sex.
What a bunch of loosers ?????
From: United States
A Haitian woman and a Dominican man got married last month in The Dominican Republic.Both families did enjoy the wedding and they had a good time.
Some American tourists in the resort were trying to figure out who was Dominican and who was Hatian.
There were some light skin Haitians and some dark skin Dominicans !
Written by: pena220, 20 May 2009 11:35 AM
From: United States, Ft. Dix, NJ
Man I can not believe how good this blog gets? Better than a soap opera in my opinion. keep the insults flying I marvel at the way words are twisted on here. I especially love the new Dominican words I've learned here which I haven't learned with my own family.
Written by: Miacol, 20 May 2009 6:01 PM
From: United States, Teaneck, NJ
It's funny how I read these blogs and so many people attacking Dominicans for not being accepting of Haitians, but have no knowledge of the history between the people and why such disdain exist between the two countries.
First learn about he history and understand why Dominicans don't necessarily care for Haitians, the abuse felt under Haitian rule is carried to our children. There was no USA intervention when the Haitians decided to kill all Dominicans and take over the island, and there was no USA when we fought back and took our land back, but of course there was a USA when we said remove all Haitians from the whole Island and we are looked at as we are the demons.
Before speaking learn something about the culture and heritage of the Dominican people, because only through understanding can you hope to change a nation. It's nothing personal but the Haitians never did pay for what they tried to do to the Dominicans. I'm for deporting all of them to their side.
From: United States
oh miacol you are so right.
after you deport all Haitians wil you stop seling food ,cement construction materilas,chicken .eggs ,meat and other products to Haiti?
Will you repatriate the Dominicans living in Haiti.
Remember the prase widely used by Bill Clinton during the 1992 election ?
IT IS THE ECONOMY STUPID !
It is not history or hystery
It is the economy stupid !
Written by: Miacol, 21 May 2009 10:20 AM
From: United States, Teaneck, NJ
Oupala07, your so mis-informed it's funny, but overall it shows your ignorance and why we should stop assisting Haitians. We need to stop the truck load of Haitians that keep trying to get into DR and we need to get rid of all the 1 million in DR that we know of.
From: United States
miacol, i thought i understood what was going on between Haiti and the Dominican Republic and i have not found one educator, social scientist,one political leaders to help me out.
i had to depend on you but you are so full of hate for Haitians I am afraid that you may no be objective.
Kill all of them, Deport them ,Starve them to death, exterminate them ,if this is not naive it is childish.
Out of thousands of posters , only a few of you display this bizarre attitude.
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Written by: Miacol, 21 May 2009 11:39 AM
From: United States, Teaneck, NJ
I do not hate the Haitian population etiennc01, but I do understand the tension between both nations. In America you are not taught about these things, I had to delve into DR, my culture, my heritage to fully understand the tension. They should not be killed, starved to death or exterminated, that would be inhuman and they are humans.
Though people should understand the Dominican side before speaking about the situation. Too many in the US are trying to shove the Haitians down the Dominicans throats without a single thought of what it means to us, or how it impacts us. We have a history and not a good one at that. There is allot of dislikes on both sides and non Dominicans need to educate themselves before attempting to broker a longer lasting peace then the tension peace that exist today.
From: United States
miacol, i am an ordinary man with a normal brain
i am a pragmatist ,born from a true dominican woman and a haitian father.
the dr has a government that is supposed to pass laws and an army and a police force that are supposed to have the laws respected
why in the hell we allow so many haitians to enter the dominican republic?????
and it seems that the haitians posters and the haitian governement have some kind of leverage and can intimidate and blackmail the dominicans
what is going on ?????
Written by: kmnupe, 24 May 2009 4:01 AM
From: United States, NYC
Etienne,
that's the million-dollar question? Preval and Fernandez= Laurel and Hardy. Well, Rene, it's a fine mess you have gotten us into, non?
Written by: gallileo, 13 Jun 2009 11:17 AM
From: United States
Some people in the world: say they don't care about history, therefore that is a very stupid mind set one need to change. Like most Dominican thinks that way. Because Dominican and many nation always say the Haitian still living in the past , not that the Haitian people, want to kept on reminding people. Hey look you have to remember were come from an other to know were you're going. The only reason why one would not talk about history is because they don't have a great history to tell the world , or maybe they don't want the world to see how stupid and ignorant they have been in the past and continue to some useful idiot. Haitian occupation of the Dominican republic 1822-1844 Jean Pierre Boyer was a Haitian soldier, and president of Haiti 1818-1843 this Initiated 22 years Haitian occupation of the Dominican republic 1822-44 . Haiti constitution forbade white from owning land, and Dominican land owners were deprived of their properties, by white people so you know.
Written by: gallileo, 13 Jun 2009 12:04 PM
From: United States
When Dominican are talking they need to go back to the book, Haitian has contribute a lot to many nation including the united states of America,in the so called freedom war. When Africans held in bondage in Haiti defeated napoleon's army. the USA benefited by doubling it size and power. One thousand Haitian fought and died in the so called freedom for all war of independence. That is why the 44th president acknowledge this contribution on may 18,2009. " If it were not for Haitian as we know, it could have been a completely different place "today. Yet Haitian have faced discrimination. Like i say before in previous comment one have to know your history if you're not completely stupid, i understand that many people have not been thought the right way, because the elite behind it want to keep everyone in ignorance that is why they come up with many different kind of religion another to confuse the mass or the world just like those Dominican, who do not know history of any kind.
Written by: gallileo, 13 Jun 2009 2:09 PM
From: United States
For those Dominican lunatic out there, a lot of things you're doing only because of ignorance, as i said before, ignorance is just like drug once you introduce to it , you are going to have a hard time getting out of it. Ignorance would make people dislike their own blood family; that is the Dominicans. they have to reeducate them self, from the elite who had thought them wrong, but what's going on in the Dominican republic, there is something bigger behind it . Elite is the UK, the city of England /Canada , Vatican city, France/french and the united state of America, these are the great white brother hood. One would ask why? if haven't had a chance to Reade history you will never know who they are because they operate incomplete silence . Not that i don't like the people, i just don't like their politics; because it is dirty and it suck. People from allover the are very nice, but when it comes to politic and religion they all suck, know start doing some research get smart.
Written by: Gizmo 
, 13 Jun 2009 2:41 PM
From: United States
Gallileo stop misinterpreting history in you're own twisted and machiavellian way to justify the attrocities Haitians commited in the Dominican Republic. Dominicans never invaded Haiti, Haitians invaded and massacred many Dominicans. In short have you heard the expression the majority rules! while Haiti was a literal slave colony for France. The Dominican Republic was not a majority slave colony. So you're illusion of Haiti being a hero to the Dominican people is seriously flawed, Dominicans fought for there liberty against the oppressor Haiti, and that's why two very distinctive nations share the same island of Hispaniola. Dominicans fervently celebrate there separation and independence from Haiti, February 27th, 1844... Dios Patria y Libertad.
Written by: gallileo, 13 Jun 2009 3:04 PM
From: United States
One would ask your why? things are so bad in the planet ,and people get depress and worry because they think there is a ghost which going to hunt them every time; the ghost is your own mind. There are some politicians and religious Leaders the one who lies to us every time, even when they know better. Take a note of this the divine providence did not creates humanity to live in hell, human greed cause this miss we all have to clean it together . Even thought they are celebrate a history of independence the did not had to fight for. Haiti rule the Dominican republic 1822-44 , you never fought for the land which you living you'll are nothing but free bee.because the young student who was a Dominican by the name of Juan p Duarte, tried to formed a secret resistance movement; was uncover by Haiti, he was force out of the country to curacao, later becomes very ill. The movement gain momentum after earthquake in Haiti 1842 and the out break of Haiti civil war. February 27,1844.
Written by: Gizmo 
, 13 Jun 2009 3:15 PM
From: United States
Mr. Gallileo stop trying to change things that clearly happened and are transparently recorded in history as fact. You are a product of a country that has never had a moral victory in it's history, all your so called vainglories and aftermaths remain losses due to the state that Haiti finds itself today, stop kidding yourself. The dates and events don't lie only people like you lie.
Written by: Gizmo 
, 13 Jun 2009 3:31 PM
From: United States
Written by: gallileo, 13 Jun 2009 3:46 PM
From: United States
The question is how did you get your independence? something to think about. If you Dominicans really have a brain, think remember when Haiti fought and give you the land and you gave it back Spain ,and they put you, right back into slavery . That is why they don't like Haitian because they know Haitian, don't want to be some useful/house nigga . France made Haiti pay reparation, for helping the world to abolish slavery, price was in today currency estimate over 25 ,Billion Dollars what do you'll say about that. Dominican being so simple tying to sale the country for 1.5 Million dollars to the united state of America, and the USA refuse because they could get for free, scary, chicken, dummies all in one. since that time how many people fought died in Haiti. right now you have united nation in Haiti, pretended like they are helping Haiti get worst then ever before. Dominican if you'll was not a useful stupid idiot things could have been just is worst, cause you all are lazy.
Written by: gallileo, 13 Jun 2009 4:21 PM
From: United States
The only way to establish the truth one have to do research, and try to reprogram your mind after all the lies we been told, just like the cooperate media they tell 1% of all the the truth, or nothing at all, so if you been brainwash by these things; you might or might not be able to handle the truth when you get bless with it. But in other to get the truth you have to be mutual an unbiased, one have to be an independent thinker. As long you hold some special feelings of any kind you would never get to understand the truth. Question why do think people martin Luther king got killed, JFK, and many more who died for telling the truth. Gizmozie that's the way it is baby girl.
Written by: Gizmo 
, 13 Jun 2009 5:20 PM
From: United States
Gallileo You're funny, a Haitian pseudo black militant naming himself after a white astronomer LOL... You need to quit trolling! choose another sport you've been had spineless jellyfish!!!!!
Written by: gallileo, 14 Jun 2009 3:24 AM
From: United States
Gizmo zienna girl. what's going on ,there is no business on the street for you any more or what pouta? go a head and suck what you know best. You and your Mother can do the best for the world k+9. That is what you Dominicans are good for any ways. worthless bastard house/nagger Dominican Republic. and you are a ignorant niggroe with a computer , why don't you go a head and hang your self if you're so peace off dummy, you look inferior even your mother don't love you. phat head, your mother never told you how much she get from those Haitian when she was striking, because she worth nothing .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: gallileo, 14 Jun 2009 3:31 AM
From: United States
Gizmo; believe it or not no one cares about you any way why don't you just do what you been thinking about.
Written by: gallileo, 14 Jun 2009 3:36 AM
From: United States
I love Dominican girl you dummies want to make me for get about it but . I'm not that easy.
Written by: gallileo, 14 Jun 2009 3:42 AM
From: United States
Some people are to be left alone but. I'm right here missing with you . Domini canitos.
Written by: gallileo, 14 Jun 2009 3:54 AM
From: United States
Yo gizmo the k9 use to have the you know what for 5 dollars know they want 7 Dollars, so what is wrong with you people. on the real man i know you all wanted to sale the whole country for one point five million gees. I would give you'll 1.666 for it. That is a big gain Chico loco.
Written by: gallileo, 14 Jun 2009 4:17 AM
From: United States
This what i got to say on the real gizmo don't worry about what i say to you or any body else. the real thing is this; what they want from us don't let them have it is the control to rule all people. white, brown, black and every body. This is what they call mind control. I'm sure that the reason why you out there trying to relate ; it is because you saw something wrong with our world you're trying to fix it . Sometime in life we would have crazy experience and feeling about thing, but we have to try help. Not by criticize each other but by giving a helping hand to all.
Written by: gallileo, 14 Jun 2009 4:33 AM
From: United States
Is any body ever ask how the world get to this point , if one look around the things are very miss up. Do any body ever trying to do some thing about it, beside criticize.Lest heal the world make a better place for you and for me and our children, grand children , lest stop the hate and begin to love each other, don't let emotion take over our mind let passion take control toward each other .
Written by: gallileo, 14 Jun 2009 4:42 AM
From: United States
I'm the world the universe, the life and everything, after me no one but me, I'm god the sun star every thing. the power of water,wind , earth, heaven. bow!!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I predict 356 posts !
200 miles & 14 feet tall border wall
many patrol boats on montecristi and pedernales!
we need to help our nation D.R!
The Haitian have the option of leaving DR whenever they want to! No one is forcing them to work in DR. And yet these illegal complain to the outsiders of abuse/slavery because they want for free political and economic power.
Just last week the Haitian invaded the Dominican Consulate, burned our flag and destroyed our coat of arms! That was a declaration of war but Leonel, a Haitian pipe sucker, hid and left us in a vacuum (no respond => cowardness and impotence)! We need a strong leader that can free DR from the foreigners!
Haiti wants to solve its problem but exporting it to others. The path is much easier to DR than to Cuba, Jamaica, Turk & Caicos or Bahamas. No poor nation has become richer by sharing its resources with other poor countries (Zimbadwee, Somalia, Kenya, Sudan, etc.). We must stop the stealing of our resources by the vandals of the west! This is not 200 BC!
We must be explosive in our response and we must be persistence in achieving our objective of keeping the foreigners out. We are not going to sacrifice DR in the name of international humanism!
And of course, the Haitian are allowed to send remittances back to Haiti (estimated to be $300 millions dollars per year).
Most illegal don't pay ITBIS so what they take in versus what they put out is a pure deficit to DR!
Yes there is 38 % poverty (14 % is ultrapoverty) in DR SO TELL YOUR HAITIAN INVADERS TO LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR RESOURCES AND LAND! STAY OUT DR OR WE WILL REMOVE YOU BY FORCE!
Dominican can do the physical work just like they did before! It is you who came over and lowered salaries and crowding out the competition. To your surprise we made without you from 1844 to 1985!
The U.S. can survive without the Mexicans just like they did in 1981 and before!!!! M
From: United States
etienc loca let me remind you this is a dominican site and if you don't like to hear what we dominicans want to say i suggest you find a haitian website for your own pleassure
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Vacanos your understanding of the english language is extremely poor, go for your ESL at night and try DT in a couple of years, otherwise keep your mouth close.
The U.S. economic can make it without the immigrants. The wheat and corn and their byproducts dominates the U.S. culinary appetite and that commodity is produced by AMERICAN! Whoever is telling you immigrants are keeping U.S. afloat is dreaming!
You over-reached and you came across as a pretender! Stop clowning and show data!
In terms of content, I can kick your freaking septic hole to the other side of Siberia!
idc!!
id care!!
the bottom line is
mass deportation of illegals!!!!!!!! we can do this in less then a year
we can deport and not let a single one in again unless they come with legal documents!!!!!
BORDER REGULATIONS ARE NEEDED BEFORE IT TO LATE DAMMIT!!!
Haiti has 9.6 million people. 4 million lives abroad. Any explanation?
We are not debating if DR is great. We are debating, the two million Haitian in DR should return to Haiti! THAT IS ALL! Of course, DR has a 38 % poverty rate that leads to emigration.
But I want to say that it may have been more dominicans in Haiti than we think. And less Haitians in RD also .Look at this :
http://www.clavedigital.com/App_P....=14367&Id_ClassArticulista=44
http://www.listindiario.com/app/article.aspx?id=93161
I don't think people should be be discrimated against either, so here's a plan: let's mechanize the agricultural industry in DR, fine employers who hire illegal labor, and send ALL those that do not have access to citizenship back to Haiti. Oops, then u won't have anything to talk shit about!
"It is a disgrace for Haitian women to even experience sex before marriage" - LOL
Ever heard the saying, "el hambre tiene cara de hereje", well that's exactly what's happening in Haiti. It doesn't matter what's shameful or not, the country is falling apart, and can't feed its people so women will do anything to survive including prostitution in DR.
P.S. Nobody on DT "hates" Haitian immigrants. Haitian activists in DR did themselves a disservice by accusing the only country in the world that even lets them in of "modern day slavery"
with all my respect, for your people and for youself: no one can ask DR to do anything for Haiti. DR for itsel cant make anything. Most of the economic activity is made by foreigners. I m sorry but even if DR has a better economic situation,it s all because of what the International community wants in there. I won t say that you havent made anything.But please, it s ridiculous to say such a thing when we know for example you guys depend on foreign investments, foreign illegal "mano de obra" etc . I think the so called " orgullo dominicano" when it s about economy , is a big big big illusion.You think you are all that, but in fact the sold you a dream . I mean , when I read that some dominican say that USA or France want DR to endorse Haitis situation,I just laugh because the DR can t even manage itself (even if we can t compare with Haiti) SO you should stop thinking that.Anyways , DR will do wathever the International community imposes as will do Haiti.Stop dreaming.
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/misctopic/dominican/antihaiti.htm
But the only response we can have my friend is to stop going to other countries like USA or Canada (I m taliking about people in the 20% well educated, and so called haitian middle class and the elite) and to get back home or to stay home to re-start working. Don t pay attention to hate messages .Nor to hate attitudes. We have to accept the price of our History. We are paying for what we have done for the world. And for what we have not done for ourselves. But we can change that.
Little do they know. They'll be amazed of how many Haitians residing abroad including myself who yearn to go back to our beloved country. Most of us are already building our houses over there.
This forum has been entertaining and nurturing extremists on both sides.
I have said it before and I am going to say again :
Haitians go back to yout country!
Dominicans think that you are a public nuisance, a national manace , and a social danger bent of destroying their country just like you have done to yours ( Haiti)
They want to force you back to Haiti by " ANY...MEANS...NECESSARY"
Eventually ,you will return to Haiti, Mark my words !!!!!
You will !
you will !
Yes you will !
A little boy and a little girl were standing naked and the little girl asks the little boy: can I touch your lillte pene and the little boy says: no you have cut yours and you want to cut mine !!!!!
Words of two little children !!!!!
http://english.people.com.cn/200511/08/print20051108_219788.html
Around 30,000 Haitian children are illegally smuggled into the Dominican Republic every year to work as child prostitutes or be forced into other degrading occupations, UN and Organization of American States (OAS) officials said on Sunday.
In Haiti itself, children are recruited as gang members or are tortured, kidnapped, sexually and physically abused, abandoned and traded like personal property, the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF), the United Nations children's fund, and the Organization of American States' Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, said.
Source: China Daily
http://www.dol.gov/ilab/media/reports/iclp/tda2004/haiti.htm
Incidence and Nature of Child Labor
The ILO estimated that 21.8 percent of children ages 10 to 14 years in Haiti were working in 2002. A 2002 survey by the Fafo Institute for Applied Social Sciences estimated that 173,000, or 8.2 percent of children ages 5 to 17 years, were child domestic workers. Many domestic workers, known as restaveks, work without compensation, reach the age of 15 to 17 years without ever having attended school, are forced to work long hours under harsh conditions, and are subject to mistreatment, including sexual abuse.
An estimated 2,500 to 3,000 Haitian children are trafficked annually to the Dominican Republic. According to UNICEF, the civil unrest in 2004 has resulted in an increased number of children trafficked to the Dominican Republic to work as beggars or prostitutes.
fear, passion. bigotry, fixation .impatience , projection,prejudice ,and ignorance have taken over compassion.logic, tolerance common sense, history ,economics.
balle means : bullet
the man was shot in the head and there is a hole in his head
His brain , the seat of intelligence is irreversibly damaged
his brain the source of all quallties that define his humanity is damaged
he is not Dominican. he is an instigator and gets sexual gratification when he pits a Haitian against a Dominican
each time he posts a nasty comments he gets an erection
ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!11
From: United States
trou means : hole
balle means : bullet"
I agree Troudemerde is not Dominican by birth, however he's Dominican from the heart let's give him credit for that, the only thing we ask from him is to shut his "trou" and stop spewing hatred
and just to show all haitian i aint that bad,,,we will donate tree so you can plant it in your side of the island, when we see green in the other side,,maybe we will you a cookie for good behavior.
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GUERRA AL INVASOR, Estirpe Imperial
The tyrants, the fools, the ciminals,the sorcerers
the psychos who have
ruled Haiti were the ones who have turned Haiti into the HELLITI the country is now.
Curb your displaced agression.
Let me tell you in simpler, calmer words.
Haitians go back home
As a half haitian and half Dominican myself this is the message that I have heard.
Go bck home and now if there are Dominicans entities who want to bring you back on
the Dominican soil let them educate the gizmosof the necessity of having Haitians on the Dominican soil. Let these entities the telemecos Economics 101
At least you will be respected and your participation in the
building the New Dominican Republic will be appreciated.
Mexicans are receiving the same mixed Mickey mouse signals: come we need you to do jobs that Americans do want and go home
No migration happens by accident, There is always a pull factor designed by interested entities
telemeco and directed by gitzmo to
understand the danger of stepping on Dominican soil univited.
And of course for my own, I know a lot of haitian-dominican families. High class families whre the parents are haitan and dominican. The thing is the economic and even intelectual elites are getting closer. Of course on boh sides we have the extremists. Dominicans think they are better because of the economic situation they have regarding to Haiti. Haitian think they are better because of their culture, their authenticity, their History ...LOL
I hope Haiti takes the route of helping its people so that they're women stop having 6 children per vagina! We hope they stop the environmental destruction, demographic explosion (29 births/1000 people), the use of violence for settling differences, ultracorruption, discrimination (Creole vs. French and the racial overtone against the white), slavery (Restavek), drugs/weapons distribution point, etc.
Given that DR has the better land, better atittude towards the environment, and less political instability (of course, our people are less violent that the neighbors), Haiti is not a competition. However, Cuba is! PR suffers from that high inflation and being ruled by another country.
Exaggeration and making connections where there are no dots! Paul1 shut it quickly!
And to end, I was talking with an economist who ensured me that Haitians in DR generate nearly 150 000 000 USD every year for your country.Make your research.
Our remittances come from Dominican abroad. Our tourism is dependent on our environmental laws and respect for the environment, the Cuba embargo, and the political stability that allows the internationals invest in DR.
Our exports mostly go to the U.S., Belgium, South Korea/Taiwan, etc. Our free trade zone are mostly run by the U.S. and Spain. And before 1985, Dominicans worked in the coffee, tobacco, tomatoes, and other crops before the cheap labor showed up and since Dominican entrepreneur are true capitalists they hired the cheap labor.
What universities? Are you that stupid? We have our universities with trained personnel, technology, and infrastructure that have nothing to do with Haiti! We have students from all over especially in medicine!
Don't lecture me about DR! Go and learn about your tribe better.
Keep dreaming. Haiti can not compete with DR. DR has incredibly more resources than Haiti. Which is why investor look east before they look west!
Clean up your house and produce before pounding your feeble chest!
Moradores de Guatapanal demandan sacar haitianos; dicen han asesinado a machetazos a diez dominicanos Sunday, May 17, 2009
http://www.elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=152145
Favio Antonio Mercado(alcalde pedaneo),Esperanza Duran ,Ana Sofia reyes Colon y el alcalde muerto por los haitiano Manuel Ant. Mercado.
10:56 PM - MAO, Valverde, R.D. Residentes En la comunidad de Ginamagao, perteneciente al Distrito Municipal de Guatapanal, demandan de las autoridades casar a los haitianos de la zona, por la incertidumbre en que viven. Esta comunidad con una población habitacional de cuatro mil 302 personas, compuesta por 616 familias viven de la agricultura, pero los haitianos los mantienen en zozobra, según denuncian.
Denuncian que en los últimos tiempos, los haitianos han asesinado a machetazos a diez dominicanos; otras, en cambio han resultado heridas con lesiones permanentes.
yep and kick out every Dominican out of the US all they do is sell drugs
1) Haiti is the second most important economical partner of the DR :http://www.hoy.com.do/el-pais/200....ercial-de-la-Republica-Dominicana
-http://www.clavedigital.com/App_P....ia/Economia.aspx?id_Articulo=8079
The exportations increased by 624% in 4 years.
2) A desire of real cooperation exists:http://www.elnacional.com.do/naci....lantar-cooperacion-entre-RD-Haiti
3)There are dominicans who live in Haiti :http://www.listindiario.com/app/article.aspx?id=93161
4) There may be less haitians in DR than what is thought :http://www.clavedigital.com/App_P....=14367&Id_ClassArticulista=44
5)Most of prostitues in Haiti are dominican :http://www.diariolibre.com.do/noticias_det.php?id=196480
6)Haitan are IMPORTANT in the DR economy :http://diariolibre.com.do/noticias_det.php?id=193965
Well I could write more .See you.
I agree with you , but, I also agree with the Dominicans asking for the removal of the unproductive and other illegals in their country.
They will be no reasonable dialogue with them unless a plan to stop the migration and lower the undocumented population is implemented.
LMAO!
How would I know ? Cocks just fight until they kill each other.
Noone wants to support my cause
They call my mission immature,foolish not reasonable not feasible and utopic
I am left in the cold night, naked, angry,without any weapons to fight my cause.
All I can do is utter loud, deep,prolonged sounds in rage and distress
i am just a espectator not an actor.
oh dios dame la serenidad para aceptar las cosas que no puedo cambiar
dame el coraje para cambiar las cosas que puedo cambiar
y la sabiduria para conocer la diferencia
it is sad to witness how hard haitians are fighting to stay in the dominican republic by posting so much garbages
i read their weakness, their displaced agression.their vain nationalism,their lies ,their exaggerations.
i am baffled by the cowardice of the haitians posters who refuse to channel their anger to:rue des casernes port-au-prince haiti where rene preval resides
i commend the dominicans who have remained firm, fixed,sure,direct,constant in their characterization of haitians are not human beings and must leave the dr
i read with a certain embarassment the haitians posters who have been erractic and always in a state of mental agitation and disturbance unable to accept the word " deportation"
shame is a painful emotion caused by a strong sense of guilt.
shame helps you modify on change your behavior, the way you treat one another.
all the dominican posters are doing is to lead haitians to experience shame feeling guilty for having turned haiti into helliti and make the country unlivable.
how many times have we heard these words ; shame on you. shame on you"
how do we feel when they tell us shame on shame on you ?
do we spit insults ?
well if we spit insults we will never change or modify our behavior.
you have been destroying you country, you have become a public nuisance,shame in you sshame on you,what do you do ?
curse.spit insults ?
well shame on you againg for being wicked, imature, irresposable.
shame on you for destroyinh your coutry and shame on you for refusing to accept resposability to clean your mess !!!!!
Yes , you keep producing stupid data like you can influence the course of these events.
Crisis means danger of Dominicans and Haiians terrorizing , brutalizing,dehumanizing demonizing each other.
Crisis also ofers the opportunity to solve the conflict that causes the crisis in the first place.
Conflict neans that Dominicans do not have enough food to share with Haitians .Haitians must go back to Haiti and have the testicular courage(Mete grenn nan bouda yo) and start a new revolution so you can have mature. adult leaders to lead Haiti oou of its present mess.
This is this mess that have forced Haitians to leave Haiti to become a public nuisansce a national menace in the Dominica Republic.
You Haitians keep saying that the Dominican Republic needs you well. let's have a new official contract to show your contention.
You are creating the gitzmos and many more minigitzmos
gitzmo was not born by accident.The conflict between Haitians and Dominicans created this hatefull creature.
Some of us post comments challenging other posters to judge,evaluate,or criticize
Some of us post comments to for others posters relaxation.enjoyment and inspiration
Some of us lacking all human capacity to do the above just pass informations that we fear for our life and our family's life and we are going to use deadly force stop the threat.
gitzmo fears for his life and lets us us know that he is going neutralize the threat posed by Haitians
First he is going to demonize then, then he is going to demonize tem and finally he is going to neutralize them.
gitzmo is not here for debate and discussion.He is here to annouce his hate for Haitians and he fears for his life and he is going to use deadly force to stop the threat.
gitzmo and the other mini gitzmo wil extermintae Haitians where ever he meets them even here in the US.
I really appreciate your wisdom note but this forum is dedicatd to ttoday's Dominicannsto share their fears, the threats facing their country , the deadly steps that they will take to stop the threats.
Some of them fear that Haitians are taking over their country posing a threat to their daily life , their culture Haitians being have no business coiing in this forum to trade insults with the Dominicans.
Haitians have fell right into the trap set by the Dominicans ,See what they write. See the threats they poseto us, See the nasty things they are say about us. !!!!!
The erratic , immature comments posted by the Haitian ignorants just confirm the fear that Dominicans have been taking about.
I wish that Haitians shoud show some decency and just shut the hell uop.
They have no argument, The Dominicans say that they are a public nuisance a threat to their national security they should just pack up and leave teh DR or the Dominicans will do it the perejil way
It does not matter where they live ,whether they are doctors , lawyers, rich ,poor living in a mansions,they just hate them,
Fortunately , they are just a few judging by the number of antiHaitian comments
What is it ?
A variety of improvised incendiary weapons used to terrorrize to kill . to harm, to maim
Incendiary weapons are used 80% of the times by extremists,terrorrists ,fanatics and other psychos
Judging by by this name the winners(alarmists for some) are right to predict a grim plan to deal with Haitians illegals and call upon good Dominicans (and there are many) to quickly find a human way to return Haitians back to Haiti.
XxMolotovCocklailxX, What an angry person!
We don't need any lunatics here
.Some of us are trying to solve the Haitian Dominican conflict peacefully and humanely
FYI : Haitians are invading the DR like it was one of Haitian provinces
They are dumping their children on the streets of Santiago
They are crowding Dominican Hospitals seeking healh care and giving birth
They r loitering carriyng machettes and ready to kill Dominicans
They are a disgrace law abiden Haitian university students and professionals
They are a public nuisance and a national menace
Haitians leaders in Haiti are liars, criminals, turbulent and nuture mistrust for each other
Dominicans are tired of this situation and want to take matter into their own hands.
Your posts are useless ,irresponsable,dangerours. they will stir up passion and harden the position of the extremists.
They will help radicalize the fanatics who can still inflict severe hardship on Haitians living in the DR
Please shut the hell up !
Spare me these crocodiles tears.
We understand your agenda. Leave it to the Dominicans to care for the breed of Haitians that you and your frienes and family do notwant to deal with.
te conosco bacalao auque vengas disfrazado.
You and your kind have treated this breed of Haitians worse than the Dominicans.
You are just an instigator and are provoking the Dominicans to do your dirty work:The extemonation of poor and ignorant Haitians.
You go back to Haiti and like you always do: gather all the Haitians that you t\do not like and exterminate them.
Cedras have done it and General Antonio Kebrean has done it before
Read General Antonio Kebreau
What problems they will be solving ?
What a waste of talent and intellect !!!!!
The can wait wait for day break so they can rush to their computer and type insilts.
They spend the whole night unable to sleep. They turn around in their bed having nightmares.
They are stressed out can not even have sex.
What a bunch of loosers ?????
Some American tourists in the resort were trying to figure out who was Dominican and who was Hatian.
There were some light skin Haitians and some dark skin Dominicans !
First learn about he history and understand why Dominicans don't necessarily care for Haitians, the abuse felt under Haitian rule is carried to our children. There was no USA intervention when the Haitians decided to kill all Dominicans and take over the island, and there was no USA when we fought back and took our land back, but of course there was a USA when we said remove all Haitians from the whole Island and we are looked at as we are the demons.
Before speaking learn something about the culture and heritage of the Dominican people, because only through understanding can you hope to change a nation. It's nothing personal but the Haitians never did pay for what they tried to do to the Dominicans. I'm for deporting all of them to their side.
after you deport all Haitians wil you stop seling food ,cement construction materilas,chicken .eggs ,meat and other products to Haiti?
Will you repatriate the Dominicans living in Haiti.
Remember the prase widely used by Bill Clinton during the 1992 election ?
IT IS THE ECONOMY STUPID !
It is not history or hystery
It is the economy stupid !
i had to depend on you but you are so full of hate for Haitians I am afraid that you may no be objective.
Kill all of them, Deport them ,Starve them to death, exterminate them ,if this is not naive it is childish.
Out of thousands of posters , only a few of you display this bizarre attitude.
I
Though people should understand the Dominican side before speaking about the situation. Too many in the US are trying to shove the Haitians down the Dominicans throats without a single thought of what it means to us, or how it impacts us. We have a history and not a good one at that. There is allot of dislikes on both sides and non Dominicans need to educate themselves before attempting to broker a longer lasting peace then the tension peace that exist today.
i am a pragmatist ,born from a true dominican woman and a haitian father.
the dr has a government that is supposed to pass laws and an army and a police force that are supposed to have the laws respected
why in the hell we allow so many haitians to enter the dominican republic?????
and it seems that the haitians posters and the haitian governement have some kind of leverage and can intimidate and blackmail the dominicans
what is going on ?????
that's the million-dollar question? Preval and Fernandez= Laurel and Hardy. Well, Rene, it's a fine mess you have gotten us into, non?