Santo Domingo. - The Dominican Government doesn’t have mechanisms to determine the number of Haitian nationals living in the country, and much less the number of foreigners who came as tourists and are part of the national population today, Minister of Interior and Police revealed yesterday.
Franklin Almeyda, while presenting the “Proposal of Norms for a process regulate the foreigners established in the country” to colleagues from 25 countries and to a group of Dominican experts, also announced the start of the biometric registry for all the people who enter the country.
He said the authorities would also regulate the presence of Haitian workers according to the needs of the internal labor market.
Human rights
“The treatment that we give those people must be respectful. If we have good relations with all governments, why not establish agreements to avoid situations that can be of conflict,” Almeyda said, adding that the respect of human rights and national sovereignty must guide and regulate future migratory processes.
According to the Government’s proposal, a foreigner will have to state the time they’ve been in the country, ties with society, labor and socio-economic conditions, personal and family data. That information would go into a “Technological Database” to be created, to issue documents of the migratory situation afterwards.
Written by: oupala07 
, 12 Jun 2009 11:25 AM
From: Canada
These are the kind of actions that will help fight the lucrative and illegal immigration which has been, for so long, a cash cow to unscrupulous individuals (the passers). And if the Dominican Republic and Haiti take our common border seriously, this strechted line of a few hundred Kilometers should become the most prosperous and regulated place on our island. Let's regulate it, develop it and, most of all, make it secure tight.
However, doing all this and not having the balls to arrest and prosecute any high ranked and corrupt official will lead us back to square one, which is the situation into which we are now. Isn't it refreshing to finally hear the voices of reason and justice prevail instead of those of the Fascists and Nazis. With that kind of policy, there will be only two winners and they will be the Dominicans and the Haitians.
Adelante Quisqueyanos!
From: United States
oupala07,I am so glad that they had changed your medication,You are so subdue now and begin to make sense.
No fighting, No fighting !
From: Germany, Stuttgart
If the elected officials, judiciary, and members of the Dominican bureaucracy, don't respect the laws of La Dominicana.....why do they expect foreigners, and especially Hatianos, to respect the laws and borders of Quisqueya? You have to lead by example......
Written by: oupala07 , 12 Jun 2009 4:14 PM
From: Canada
etiennec01,
I am not subdued, because I never give an inch to any opponent, however, I have a brain and I have common sense. I have realized that there are plenty of folks here who do not play the hate and delusion card, so, I find it quite normal to sympathise with them. If you have read my previous posts, you would have remembered that I've said that my teenhood best friend and my first girl friend were dominicans. I will never be the one who will fire the first shot, however, once it is fired at me, I answer with everything I've got.
Mister NegrodelaBachata,
Do not try to rename your side of the island. If you want to stick the name Quisqueya to the Dominican Republic, you'll have to take the whole package and it is : HAITI, QUISQUEYA OR BOHIO. If you have any doubt, just unearth one of your kaciks and ask him how did the Tainos, Arrawaks and Caribes name this island? I don't want to accuse you of identity theft, but that's all it looks like.
No offense intended
From: Germany, Stuttgart
No offense taken, Hatiano. And forgive me....but I'm not going to play your little name the island game....I'm fine with referring to the Dominican Republic as "La Republica Dominicana"....the name that its government recognizes and utilizes. I'm also fine with calling the Dominican Republic "La Dominicana," or "Quisqueya," as is the custom of the rank and file Dominican. If you don't like it....kick rocks....all the way back to Haiti. But what is already evident....is that you probably don't want to live there....nor do thousands of other Hatianos....who would rather illegally live in Quisqueya (meaning of course La Republica Dominicana....don't want to confuse you). Haiti is falling apart at the seams, and if you Hatianos are not careful, soon you'll be calling the western portion of the island "Esteril." I think you have....what....something like seven trees left over there? Hatianos need not be concerned with what Dominicanos call their country....concern yourselves with "food!"
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
How about yellow armbands for foreigners and special black armbands for Haitian population.
That way, you just need to count. I think that Hitler was doing same politic with foreigners.
Dominicans are very friendly and social people, in the common life you can not see extreme hate against foreigners, except in politics. When you need tumba coco, find a Haitian, who is going to work on the constructions, Haitians, sugar mills, Haitians.
Never cross your mind (the gov people) that would be appropriate to give free Dominican citizenship to the ones who are living in Dominican territory for last for ex. 5 years? It happened so many times in US, with mexican population, I think.
Give that people their cedula, for Gods sake, let them pay taxes, save money in our banks and have proper health care, if they are living here, make them legal.
What are you going to do, deport all Haitians (shoot your self in the foot)?
Written by: tejano, 12 Jun 2009 9:40 PM
From: United States
So what happened to the millions of dollars in training and aide the USG (and others) have provided throughout the years to do exactly this? Go to Casas de Campo and I think you will see how the money was spent. And how is it that Franklin Almeyda has refused to sign an agreement the would give the DR 2.5 M USD to fight narcotics trafficking and yet complains the US doesn't do enough? Shame on the USG for continuing to try to assist such a corrupt government.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
and able to defend my country against rats like you and everybody else.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Entonces "Rectitud, Libertad, Trabajo" no vale mas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_mottosBut you are in Port Washington, LI (New York), how are you defending your country, remotely?
Or sending malicious hate posts telling people "rats"?
Tell us all how did you got in United States?
Tulile
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
ART. 96.- El escudo de armas de la República tendrá los mismos colores de la bandera nacional dispuestos en igual forma. Llevará en el centro el libro de los Evangelios, abierto, con una cruz encima surgiendo ambos entre un trofeo integrado por dos lanzas y cuatro banderas nacionales, sin escudo, dispuestas a ambos lados; llevará un ramo de laurel del lado izquierdo y uno de palma al lado derecho; estará coronado por una cinta azul ultramar en la cual se leerá el lema: Dios, Patria y Libertad, y en la base habrá otra cinta de color rojo bermellón con las palabras: República Dominicana. La forma del escudo nacional será de un cuadrilongo, con los ángulos superiores salientes y los inferiores redondeados, el centro de cuya base terminará en punta, y estará dispuesto en forma tal que si se traza una línea horizontal que una las dos verticales del cuadrilongo desde donde comienzan los ángulos inferiores, resulte un cuadrado perfecto.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I want to make a critic about TITULO III - DERECHOS POLITICOS SECCION I - DE LA NACIONALIDAD ART.11.-
Why can not a foreigner-male take a Dominican nationality if he is married to Dominican woman, and foreigner-female if she is married to Dominican man, can take it,?
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Miloskorac:
Don't need to waist my time with people like you that are "HAITIANS" and take somebody's else
identity and nationality.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I am totally against Haitian population running up and down this beautiful, friendly and peaceful country.
I agree that it is a "time bomb" and sooner or later it will lead to Kosovo example, can happened that Pedernales separate according majority.
Therefor I think, that would be smart, to give cedulas to Haitianos, and make them hard to get Dominican nationality.
That's what US did with green cards (which is completely Nonhuman forcing existence of illegal immigration) and gets a nerve to put a nose in other country local businesses
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I from Belgrade, Serbia, I have my nationality nor I am taking else's. WTF are you talking about?
I just cant figure out why you have such a miedo of Haitians? You know how much are you over these poor people.
Or you want to put thousands of Dominicans to work on the sugar cane fields? How patriot that can be.
Written by: oupala07 , 12 Jun 2009 11:34 PM
From: Canada
My friend Negrodelabachata,
You don't have to be so vitriolic just because the truth is thrown to your face. I am glad to hear you aknowledge that the Quisqueya name does not belong to the Dominican Republic. Besides, as I said, you can share it with us Haitians if you want to, it is one of the three names the Tainos, the Arrawaks and the Caribes have christened the whole island.
However, by adopting one of the three names (we haitians have taken the whole three), you risk to renegate your spanish origins that you love so much. We Haitians are proud of our dear Haiti, Quisqueya, Bohio and we will never call our little piece of Real Estate the same name that would have reminded us the more than two centuries spent under the French men whip and chains, and which is St Domingue.
Written by: oupala07 , 12 Jun 2009 11:47 PM
From: Canada
You are about two centuries too late my friend to try to take the name Quisqueya from us. We, from the Western side, are either Haitians, Quisqueyans or Bohians, for there is no ambiguity among us, and nothing would make me happier than to hear you say the same. And finally, there are a lot of folks among you that are very well educated and reasonnable. When I hear them speaking, they do not share the same ambiguity you are demonstrating here. You know why? Because they know they have a lot in common with us and that, one way or the other, we are condamned to live side by side: we won't push you to the sea and you can't do the same to us. As far as I am concerned, in a few decades, you'll have time to get much older, but you'll see us Haitians under another angle, for if we have managed to build the Citadelle Laferriere, we can get out of the present mess where your own government has helped put us in.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I do not agree, Quisqueya comes from Taino language, meaning "mother of the earth", but also used to refer to the Dominican Republic, one of the two countries on this island. It got nothing to do with Haiti.
Quisqueya may also refer to
* Quisqueya, Dominican Republic, a municipality of the San Pedro de Macorís province
* Estadio Quisqueya, a baseball stadium in Santo Domingo
* Quisqueya Heights, another name for Washington Heights, Manhattan
* Quisqueya (beer), brewed by Cervecería Vegana
* Quisqueya (orchid), genus of Laeliinae
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
and bohio is a small round house for lower cast of Taino indians, (still can be found here, and makes great arepitas de yuca), and was the place to hold dishes, prepare food...
On the contrary for square house for casique, upper class (Cacique or Cazique (female form: Cacica) is a title derived from the Taíno word for the pre-Columbian chiefs or leaders of tribes in the Bahamas, Greater Antilles).
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
From: United States
oupala says the dominican gov is responsible for the mess haiti is in? you must be smoking piedrita or something. all i can say is wow
Written by: oupala07 , 13 Jun 2009 8:14 AM
From: Canada
mirabal4ever,
Be a man/woman and aknowledge that the group of so called rebels that toppled Aristide in 2004 came directly from the Dominican Republic. If you ignore that, you'll be the very first. I am not here to reopen old wounds, but when you are honest and impartial, you must have the gut to aknowledge the truth when it is thrown at your face. When I am told here that my people are ugly, blacks, dirty and poors, I don't blink and even if it hurts, I accept it as a fact. However, it looks like that honesty is not the strength of a few among you.
Is it the fact that you feel so superior to us Haitians or is it something else? In the first case, I advise you to wake up, because most of your fellow citizens are waking up. We Haitians, have still a long way to go, but you know that we are fast, and catching you is just a question of time. Do you know that things are beginning to change now back home with Gentleman Clinton at the helm? You know what it means. don't you?
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
The only fact that we are waking up is because its a morning now...
Written by: ateo1992 , 13 Jun 2009 11:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic
All this ideas you people are commenting about are so great!, but only if the government applied most of them :/
Written by: oupala07 , 13 Jun 2009 11:23 AM
From: Canada
Then good morning Mister miloskorac,
And don't forget that, in the culture of the two nations, a good old black Dominican or Haitian coffee is the best thing to have in the morning before beginning that long day under the hot tropical sun, if you are living in our island.
And if you are not living in Haiti, Quisqueya or Bohio, whatever you want to call it, I wish you a very pleasant morning anyway.
Written by: oupala07 , 13 Jun 2009 11:29 AM
From: Canada
By the way Mister miloskorac,
You've got it all wrong. Haiti means in the Arrawaks language: High lands.
Quisqueya means in the same language : Moutainous land, and I am not sure for Bohio, however, I am looking for the proper meaning of it. In fact, I have a few tainos friends from St Vincent and the Grenadines who will be more than willing to help me out. So, I'll get back to you with the meaning of Bohio in near future.
Keep trying to distort history, it is a living entity and when you mess up with it, it'll catch up with you with a vengeance, just ask Hitler and uncle Tojo.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Its a Ethiopian coffee anyway, what do you mean Haitian coffee? Now you sound as Greeks who call their coffee Greek coffee and God forbiden to be Turkish coffee...
Forget about Quisqueya or Bohio, these terms are related with Dominican Republic.
Dont you feel prowd to call your self Haitian, but you have to take other country terms so you can heal your low self esteeme?
I would even put a Haiti on Internation dispute regarding Quisqueya y Bohio, to prevent you even think about it!
Talking about that Quisqueya or Bohio, we have now country called Macedonia.
So you are going to get this (a complaint against Haiti with the International Court of Justice (IJC), "name issue"):
http://euobserver.com/9/27132and this
http://www.icj-cij.org/From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
And you can not search your roots in Taino (Arrawaks were Taino, Nepoya and Suppoyo, relate4d groups as Lokono).
Haitian roots are more that obviuse.
Here for example, on this page, on the image on the right side, you can see what is Bohio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADnoEventhough thats a big bohio, usually was smaller.
So you want to call your self Bohio, and you dont know what a hack means?
Written by: oupala07 , 13 Jun 2009 2:39 PM
From: Canada
Mister miloskorac,
Very interesiting link indeed, It has quite a lot of information about the Tainos. However, let me bear to your attention that Wikipedia is an open encyclopedy that anyone of us can edit and add to or modify the information it contains. I am not going that far to say that the content is biased, for I am not competent enough in the subject discussed there (Taino) in order to claim such. However, I have already stumbled upon some articles that were deliberately biased and were inacurate.on the site.
Well, since I haven't found any reference for Haiti and Quisqueya, I assume that they are correct for you.
Meanwhile, can you tell me why the Haitian Tainos would name their country so affectionately Bohio. I do think that it was a way for them to show that this Island was like their little straw covered house. Don't you think so? in other words Bohio would means for them: "Our home."
So think you to have helped me found the real meaning of Bohio.
Written by: BASTA, 13 Jun 2009 4:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
© 2002, P. J. Ferbel
KACIKE: The Journal of Caribbean Amerindian History and Anthropology
http://w ww.kacike.org
please read
From: United States, San Diego, California
About buying a bunch of note pads and start keeping record of people that enter the country. Of course, you will not be able to count for the illegals. The DR always been bad in recording and safe guarding statistics.
From: United States, La Hermandad
Poor Haitians, always looking east!
They want everything Dominicans have and claim it heir own. How pathetic!! Since when You started claiming Indian decent? Why don't you claim Congo now instead of Quisqueya?
That is QUITE a penis complex you have, always wanting to have what we Dominicans have!!
Get real!! When did Dessaline claim Haiti to be Quisqueya? Now they want to steal the Quisqueya name from us!!!!!!! Give it up men. Love what you have, love Haiti.
Because if you the Haitians people loved your country you would have stop always looking east.
Love what you have!! Take care of your freaking side of the Island and stop this penis envy you have with us.
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
there are more white dominicans outside dr then in dr....
Written by: oupala07 , 14 Jun 2009 3:14 AM
From: Canada
poponiaburra,
I am not looking East, it's you people who are looking West. For centuries you have stuck to your name Dominicans, and all of a sudden you find out that Dominican is not what you should call your country. We Haitians have been calling ours Haiti, Quisqueya, Bohio since January first 1804 and we even have songs about those names to prove it.
You did not understand that, even if poetically Santo Domingo rimes badly with Taino, historically it does not. So, you wanted the world to forget about your bloody and abusive Spanish past by trying to adopt an indigenous ancestry. In order to achieve that, you knew that you must change the Santo Domingo connotation(Dominicano) with an indigenous one, that is the reason why, you want to make yours one of the names (Quisqueya) our forefathers have chosen to rechristen thei island.
The only person you can fool with that claim is a kindergartener my friend. Once again, I say that I have no problem with you naming your side...
Written by: oupala07 , 14 Jun 2009 3:28 AM
From: Canada
of the island Quisqueya. However, you must understand that it will always be a name that you'd have borrowed from us, due to the fact that for centuries, and by disdain for the same indians, that you are now claiming a false ancestry from, you have abandoned the Quisqueya term.
Anyway, it's not by calling yourself Quisqueyans that we Haitians we will stop calling ourselves that too.
Keep dreaming my friend, for I've already told you that real and genuine history has always caught up with lying historians. In fact, even the Americans are suffering from that guilty syndrom too. They've been trying for quite a while to claim and attach a Cherokee ancestry to their roots. Why? Because those indians tribes were the most beautiful and civilized indians they've ever slaughtered. If they are not fooling anyone, what makes you think that you Dominicans can fool the world? You are the real proof that desire can blind. See the light and wake up boy! Quisqueya is Haitian!
From: United States
The dominican people have forgotten three worlds that once we as a hole can dig it into our hearts will solve our problems and bring us back to a more moral, compasionate and humble country. " Dios, Patria, Libertad"
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Little more than 200 years of your history does not give you much rigths, i have a house of my grandmother who has more years than Haitian history.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I think that is time to put you people on the boats and return you back to africa.
Haiti has no connection with Taino culture.
Haiti has connection with Africans cultures (cant be sure from what countries you are actually coming), and you have not mixed with Taino culture at all. (and did not have time for that since colonization).
You are a pathetic little man (you must be short black guy, tall people does not talk crap), having no courage to love your proper country, but puting the nose in the neighbour land, stealing terms not related with your country or people.
Why dont you call your self Esquimoes or Pinguines? It has the same connection with Haiti, as Quisqeya or Bohio does.
Obviously you have not knowlidge or idea what both words means.
Jean-Jacques Dessalines ex-slave, proclaimed himself emperor.
Land of mountains, my ass, the poorest and most illiterate nation in the western hemisphere.
From: United States, La Hermandad
Thank you Miloskorac,
You just read my mind. Indeed, the Haitian hate for other culture other than they own has kept them pure African.
He's forgetting that they pushed the Tainos/Spanish mixed population east, leaving the newly free slaves in the West part of the island.
Oupalao07 you are so funny!! If you and the rest of your clan were to use all the energy you put into trying to defame Dominicans into helping restore a tiny portion of Haiti, your people and country would be in better circumstances.
Written by: oupala07 , 15 Jun 2009 8:37 PM
From: Canada
Poponlaburra,
Stop smoking dop then, come talk to me, for I am not interested in people who does not know what they are talking about. What's the problem with Africa? Once again, the real Dominican is the one, who, the same way, we haitians are not ashamed of our african roots, is not of his Haitians (thus) african ones. How many blacks are there in the Dominican Republic, and how many have haitians blood in their veins? How many so called "mix taino and whatever else are there? How many metis are there? How many whites are? Give me the count with census result handy and then, come talk to me about your ancestry, and maybe you'll manage to convince me.
Fankly, you're sadden me my friend, because there are some great individuals on this site and you are surely not one of them.
Stop fooling and belittling yourself, because everytime you are throwing those lies out, you are also making a fool of the Dominican people and I know they are not.
From: United States, La Hermandad
Well at the rate that this Haitian invasion-exodus is going, in less that 20 years we are all going lo look Haitian! So will our fertile lands, they will be barren like Haitian ones!
From: United States
No' jodimos!
From: Canada, El Baron Del Cementerio
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However, doing all this and not having the balls to arrest and prosecute any high ranked and corrupt official will lead us back to square one, which is the situation into which we are now. Isn't it refreshing to finally hear the voices of reason and justice prevail instead of those of the Fascists and Nazis. With that kind of policy, there will be only two winners and they will be the Dominicans and the Haitians.
Adelante Quisqueyanos!
No fighting, No fighting !
I am not subdued, because I never give an inch to any opponent, however, I have a brain and I have common sense. I have realized that there are plenty of folks here who do not play the hate and delusion card, so, I find it quite normal to sympathise with them. If you have read my previous posts, you would have remembered that I've said that my teenhood best friend and my first girl friend were dominicans. I will never be the one who will fire the first shot, however, once it is fired at me, I answer with everything I've got.
Mister NegrodelaBachata,
Do not try to rename your side of the island. If you want to stick the name Quisqueya to the Dominican Republic, you'll have to take the whole package and it is : HAITI, QUISQUEYA OR BOHIO. If you have any doubt, just unearth one of your kaciks and ask him how did the Tainos, Arrawaks and Caribes name this island? I don't want to accuse you of identity theft, but that's all it looks like.
No offense intended
That way, you just need to count. I think that Hitler was doing same politic with foreigners.
Dominicans are very friendly and social people, in the common life you can not see extreme hate against foreigners, except in politics. When you need tumba coco, find a Haitian, who is going to work on the constructions, Haitians, sugar mills, Haitians.
Never cross your mind (the gov people) that would be appropriate to give free Dominican citizenship to the ones who are living in Dominican territory for last for ex. 5 years? It happened so many times in US, with mexican population, I think.
Give that people their cedula, for Gods sake, let them pay taxes, save money in our banks and have proper health care, if they are living here, make them legal.
What are you going to do, deport all Haitians (shoot your self in the foot)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_mottos
But you are in Port Washington, LI (New York), how are you defending your country, remotely?
Or sending malicious hate posts telling people "rats"?
Tell us all how did you got in United States?
Tulile
Why can not a foreigner-male take a Dominican nationality if he is married to Dominican woman, and foreigner-female if she is married to Dominican man, can take it,?
Don't need to waist my time with people like you that are "HAITIANS" and take somebody's else
identity and nationality.
I agree that it is a "time bomb" and sooner or later it will lead to Kosovo example, can happened that Pedernales separate according majority.
Therefor I think, that would be smart, to give cedulas to Haitianos, and make them hard to get Dominican nationality.
That's what US did with green cards (which is completely Nonhuman forcing existence of illegal immigration) and gets a nerve to put a nose in other country local businesses
I just cant figure out why you have such a miedo of Haitians? You know how much are you over these poor people.
Or you want to put thousands of Dominicans to work on the sugar cane fields? How patriot that can be.
You don't have to be so vitriolic just because the truth is thrown to your face. I am glad to hear you aknowledge that the Quisqueya name does not belong to the Dominican Republic. Besides, as I said, you can share it with us Haitians if you want to, it is one of the three names the Tainos, the Arrawaks and the Caribes have christened the whole island.
However, by adopting one of the three names (we haitians have taken the whole three), you risk to renegate your spanish origins that you love so much. We Haitians are proud of our dear Haiti, Quisqueya, Bohio and we will never call our little piece of Real Estate the same name that would have reminded us the more than two centuries spent under the French men whip and chains, and which is St Domingue.
Quisqueya may also refer to
* Quisqueya, Dominican Republic, a municipality of the San Pedro de Macorís province
* Estadio Quisqueya, a baseball stadium in Santo Domingo
* Quisqueya Heights, another name for Washington Heights, Manhattan
* Quisqueya (beer), brewed by Cervecería Vegana
* Quisqueya (orchid), genus of Laeliinae
On the contrary for square house for casique, upper class (Cacique or Cazique (female form: Cacica) is a title derived from the Taíno word for the pre-Columbian chiefs or leaders of tribes in the Bahamas, Greater Antilles).
Saint Dominic also known as Dominic of Osma, Dominic de Guzmán and Domingo de Guzmán Garcés (1170 – August 6, 1221) was the founder of the Friars Preachers, called the Dominicans or Order of Preachers, a Catholic religious order.
(source http://santodomingoremax.com/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Dominic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Order
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleruega (the town where was born Saint Dominic)
close to monastery Santo Domingo de Silos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastery_of_Santo_Domingo_de_Silos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal_of_Silos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozarabic_rite
and some music:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chant_(album)
Be a man/woman and aknowledge that the group of so called rebels that toppled Aristide in 2004 came directly from the Dominican Republic. If you ignore that, you'll be the very first. I am not here to reopen old wounds, but when you are honest and impartial, you must have the gut to aknowledge the truth when it is thrown at your face. When I am told here that my people are ugly, blacks, dirty and poors, I don't blink and even if it hurts, I accept it as a fact. However, it looks like that honesty is not the strength of a few among you.
Is it the fact that you feel so superior to us Haitians or is it something else? In the first case, I advise you to wake up, because most of your fellow citizens are waking up. We Haitians, have still a long way to go, but you know that we are fast, and catching you is just a question of time. Do you know that things are beginning to change now back home with Gentleman Clinton at the helm? You know what it means. don't you?
And don't forget that, in the culture of the two nations, a good old black Dominican or Haitian coffee is the best thing to have in the morning before beginning that long day under the hot tropical sun, if you are living in our island.
And if you are not living in Haiti, Quisqueya or Bohio, whatever you want to call it, I wish you a very pleasant morning anyway.
You've got it all wrong. Haiti means in the Arrawaks language: High lands.
Quisqueya means in the same language : Moutainous land, and I am not sure for Bohio, however, I am looking for the proper meaning of it. In fact, I have a few tainos friends from St Vincent and the Grenadines who will be more than willing to help me out. So, I'll get back to you with the meaning of Bohio in near future.
Keep trying to distort history, it is a living entity and when you mess up with it, it'll catch up with you with a vengeance, just ask Hitler and uncle Tojo.
Forget about Quisqueya or Bohio, these terms are related with Dominican Republic.
Dont you feel prowd to call your self Haitian, but you have to take other country terms so you can heal your low self esteeme?
I would even put a Haiti on Internation dispute regarding Quisqueya y Bohio, to prevent you even think about it!
Talking about that Quisqueya or Bohio, we have now country called Macedonia.
So you are going to get this (a complaint against Haiti with the International Court of Justice (IJC), "name issue"):
http://euobserver.com/9/27132
and this
http://www.icj-cij.org/
Haitian roots are more that obviuse.
Here for example, on this page, on the image on the right side, you can see what is Bohio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADno
Eventhough thats a big bohio, usually was smaller.
So you want to call your self Bohio, and you dont know what a hack means?
Very interesiting link indeed, It has quite a lot of information about the Tainos. However, let me bear to your attention that Wikipedia is an open encyclopedy that anyone of us can edit and add to or modify the information it contains. I am not going that far to say that the content is biased, for I am not competent enough in the subject discussed there (Taino) in order to claim such. However, I have already stumbled upon some articles that were deliberately biased and were inacurate.on the site.
Well, since I haven't found any reference for Haiti and Quisqueya, I assume that they are correct for you.
Meanwhile, can you tell me why the Haitian Tainos would name their country so affectionately Bohio. I do think that it was a way for them to show that this Island was like their little straw covered house. Don't you think so? in other words Bohio would means for them: "Our home."
So think you to have helped me found the real meaning of Bohio.
KACIKE: The Journal of Caribbean Amerindian History and Anthropology
http://w ww.kacike.org
please read
They want everything Dominicans have and claim it heir own. How pathetic!! Since when You started claiming Indian decent? Why don't you claim Congo now instead of Quisqueya?
That is QUITE a penis complex you have, always wanting to have what we Dominicans have!!
Get real!! When did Dessaline claim Haiti to be Quisqueya? Now they want to steal the Quisqueya name from us!!!!!!! Give it up men. Love what you have, love Haiti.
Because if you the Haitians people loved your country you would have stop always looking east.
Love what you have!! Take care of your freaking side of the Island and stop this penis envy you have with us.
I am not looking East, it's you people who are looking West. For centuries you have stuck to your name Dominicans, and all of a sudden you find out that Dominican is not what you should call your country. We Haitians have been calling ours Haiti, Quisqueya, Bohio since January first 1804 and we even have songs about those names to prove it.
You did not understand that, even if poetically Santo Domingo rimes badly with Taino, historically it does not. So, you wanted the world to forget about your bloody and abusive Spanish past by trying to adopt an indigenous ancestry. In order to achieve that, you knew that you must change the Santo Domingo connotation(Dominicano) with an indigenous one, that is the reason why, you want to make yours one of the names (Quisqueya) our forefathers have chosen to rechristen thei island.
The only person you can fool with that claim is a kindergartener my friend. Once again, I say that I have no problem with you naming your side...
Anyway, it's not by calling yourself Quisqueyans that we Haitians we will stop calling ourselves that too.
Keep dreaming my friend, for I've already told you that real and genuine history has always caught up with lying historians. In fact, even the Americans are suffering from that guilty syndrom too. They've been trying for quite a while to claim and attach a Cherokee ancestry to their roots. Why? Because those indians tribes were the most beautiful and civilized indians they've ever slaughtered. If they are not fooling anyone, what makes you think that you Dominicans can fool the world? You are the real proof that desire can blind. See the light and wake up boy! Quisqueya is Haitian!
Haiti has no connection with Taino culture.
Haiti has connection with Africans cultures (cant be sure from what countries you are actually coming), and you have not mixed with Taino culture at all. (and did not have time for that since colonization).
You are a pathetic little man (you must be short black guy, tall people does not talk crap), having no courage to love your proper country, but puting the nose in the neighbour land, stealing terms not related with your country or people.
Why dont you call your self Esquimoes or Pinguines? It has the same connection with Haiti, as Quisqeya or Bohio does.
Obviously you have not knowlidge or idea what both words means.
Jean-Jacques Dessalines ex-slave, proclaimed himself emperor.
Land of mountains, my ass, the poorest and most illiterate nation in the western hemisphere.
You just read my mind. Indeed, the Haitian hate for other culture other than they own has kept them pure African.
He's forgetting that they pushed the Tainos/Spanish mixed population east, leaving the newly free slaves in the West part of the island.
Oupalao07 you are so funny!! If you and the rest of your clan were to use all the energy you put into trying to defame Dominicans into helping restore a tiny portion of Haiti, your people and country would be in better circumstances.
Stop smoking dop then, come talk to me, for I am not interested in people who does not know what they are talking about. What's the problem with Africa? Once again, the real Dominican is the one, who, the same way, we haitians are not ashamed of our african roots, is not of his Haitians (thus) african ones. How many blacks are there in the Dominican Republic, and how many have haitians blood in their veins? How many so called "mix taino and whatever else are there? How many metis are there? How many whites are? Give me the count with census result handy and then, come talk to me about your ancestry, and maybe you'll manage to convince me.
Fankly, you're sadden me my friend, because there are some great individuals on this site and you are surely not one of them.
Stop fooling and belittling yourself, because everytime you are throwing those lies out, you are also making a fool of the Dominican people and I know they are not.