No injuries to the Chilean soldiers reported and their performing their duties as usual yet all of a sudden the Chileans are at risk? Where's the connection? I still want to know where the Dominican ambassador in Haiti had received his "50 deaths" statistic where everywhere else reported 5 killed. Fishy reporting to me. And Rubi I'm sorry we share the island with people like you.

It seems that JRRubirosa is a one trick pony. He interprets every event as a Haiti vs Dominican Republic issue. Please give it a rest. Haiti has many problems and here is the headline news Sherlock: so does the DR. Focusing on past grievances does not help anyone. Look to the future and move on. Your futile attempts to stimulate hate and distrust towards Haiti will only work with a minority of readers. The majority rejects what you would like to see happen here.

It just look like another piece of bs propaganda againt Haiti to me. As always, it seems like the western world can´t stop presenting Haiti in a bad light, I wonder if it´s done in order to cover their fiascos at Congo, Darfur, Iraq and Afghanistan?

All this blame gaming is not helping anybody .. it is time to act .. why don't you big mouths roll up your sleeves and volunteer to help the people of Haiti .. donate your entire paychecks .. then get on a plane to Port Au Prince and volunteer your labor to plant trees and grow food .. if you are a doctor help cure the sick in Haiti .. keep your big ugly mouths shut and do something positive ..

I 100% agree with JuanSantoDominguo. At least he shows that it's not all Dominicans who have the brain and the capacity to analyze like a five years old , JRRubirosa. Like I said before, dude you seriously have major growing up to do.

Jessica: being a "PATRIOT means defending You own country not selling it to "WEAK" and "FOREIGN" people.

Do me a favor and read some history and try to follow up a little bit closer the "Haitian"
mentality after this, is business as usual, They want to take over Dominican Republic
posing as "Victims"

We are in the 21st century and every country, every race, everybody is doing something extra
to improve things in live, Haitians are going the other way around.

Maybe You are "Haitian" too and are selling our country out to everybody else, people in these
forums can change names and identities without any problems.

I'm here in this website to follow up, care and help my Dominican people against the "Ungrateful"
and "Uncivilized" quiet "HAITIAN" invasion in the same way "Juan Pablo Duarte" would it do it.

Juan Pablo Duarte is hated by Haitians so Jessica "GET A LIFE"

Writing is the material expression of thinking, or the lack thereof!

"Jessica: being a "PATRIOT means defending You own country not selling it to "WEAK" and "FOREIGN" people."

Eeeerrrrr.....RRubirosa This is for you baby since you want to live in the past I will remind you always of your past. Here we go BABY

1846 - Former President Buenaventura Báez of the Dominican Republic tried to return their side (DR) of the island to France.

1849 - Former President Buenaventura Báez of the Dominican Republic tried to annexed their side of the island to the United States.

1873- The Dominican Republic offered sought for the United States to take it over as a colony for 1.5 million dollars.

I can keep going for you RUBBI BABY but I don't think I will have enough space to write how many times your gov. tried to sell your country (DR) to the highest bidder sometimes even for FREE.

P.S. Isn't the Dominican Rep. the only LATIN country to voluntarily returned their country back to their oppressors "SPAIN" ?

Wasn't it the Dominican Rep. that allowed the Unites States gov. to take charge of their parliaments for 50 years?

Sorry Rubi but in the world of selling out I think DR is the undisputed KING.

Why do you people even bother with Rubirosa. He will always have something to say about Haitians no matter what the article is about. Can't you see that he really loves us deep down inside. It just a way of him trying to hide it (kind of like tough love). Its okay "ti Rubi" we know......

It all makes sense now. Rubirosa sees himself as "Juan Pablo Duarte". Talk about delusions of grandeur. It's a good thing we have him in this century to save us all from those hords who want to take us over! LOL

Rubriosa, Haitians forgive you for your post comments. Even you have a weak concept regarding people it shows you ain't educated in some points. YOu define the patriotic word in an unaccurate way that's stimilated anger between people in this forum .According to "a patriot is a person who is proud of his/her country and eager to defent it." Now you talk senseless of the past History and come out with negative approach between the two nations. Let's get rid of hate. So people can get move forward to progress. The world don't need a man like you who spreads verbal violence among countries so being more philanthropy in your life. It will help you to have more popular power. Haitans and dominicans don't want haters like you to mess their friendship relationship to become worse. ok, now have an optimist instinct and i'll learn to love human beings regardless their origine, ethnic, and religion. Just say i know i can then your spirit will support your wish.

Room1804: that's the stupidity that "Haitians" want to brainwash people that don't know anything,
Spain is the # 1 foreign country pouring investments,donations and all kinds of money on Dominican Republic.

France has't done the same for Haiti, get Your act together; the motherland still backing us "Big time"

This guy RRubirosa should be banned from participating in this blog. Each time, I log on, I'm always exposed to his hatred. How you guys at Dominicantoday.com share this same hatred against Haitians? It's time for management to take their responsibilities. It's about morals!!! Marco

mlarosiliere

As unpleasant as the Neanderthal comments are I would be totally against having them banned or anyone else's.

For two reasons, number one and paramount, I believe in freedom of speech for all, especially for those I disagree with.

Number two, I confess, is purely for selfish pleasure.

You see the more comments of these types are made the more proof for my argument that education is the number one priority in the Dominican Republic, (relative to food shelter and health care of course) but you get my meaning.

Banning is a sign of frustration and an immediate knee jerk reaction to deal with it, which I must admit I am not immune from feeling and wishing to carry out at times myself. But after a Rémy MartinI I come to my sense and feel that that words are the most powerful weapons in the world, and they always prevail over ignorance and hatred.

Ok, ok, I lied it takes several Rémy Martins and listening to Miles Davis, but you guys will forgive me!

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"JRRubirosa, 13 Apr 2008 1:21 PM
From: United States
Manno: who are you to tell me about this non sense "Friendship" when there is none.

Stop smoking cheap quality cigars, Haiti is falling apart and I don't think that anybody
wroldwide wants to be related to a "Lame" country like Haiti. "
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Actually, I do not agree with censoring Mr JRRbirosa, I found him to be entertainning sometimes, and quite frankly there are many Dominicans that unfortunately do think like him.

One need to go back in history to appreciate how these thoughts, and mis-understanding were formulated.

I must admit he has on occasion have had some valid points.( Haiti need to clean his acts, if it to deserve respect).

There is a saying in creole " you may hate the dog, however you can not deny his teeth are clean and white"

If , we can educate these folks, and stay away from personal attack this would in effect be, an important step toward better understanding.

I agree with antonioj a 100%. Haiti needs to clean up it's act to get respect!! and has been clearly said Rubi numerous times. I just wonder why Haitians like Josean are so concernedwith DR and Lio-nel like he unfamously says. What''s the deal Josean? Why are you so concerned with DR? How's Preval doing in Haiti? Any good projects going on over there? or is the country just striking like it's neighhbor?? Honestly, when you come on here, you are all about discrediting the DR. It seems to me that you are very bitter. I don't know why but you sound very bitter towards DR. Get over it man. Move on, it's the best thing you can do.

ny4life
Why do you assume I am Haitian. I am not and would not have any problem if I was.
However, if I were, as human being I have the Human Right to comment on anything and anyone I want. That is called freedom of speech and expression a universal human right no matter how many unenlightened people throughout the world try to deny that right to others.
You see the right to express yourself is not only the domain of us Dominicans even on so called Dominican forums. The Internet, its different outlets and methods of expression is a very democratizing tool, that is why so many repressive governments try to ban its use.
You see we Dominicans are not used to an open critical challenge to our governments, because of the legacy of dictatorship and Trujilismo. We are to believe everything the government tells us. You know the phrase "my country wrong or right." So when people critique the government the blind supporters become outraged because they perceive their Ox is being gourd.

Room1804: that's the stupidity that "Haitians" want to brainwash people that don't know anything,
Spain is the # 1 foreign country pouring investments,donations and all kinds of money on Dominican Republic.
France has't done the same for Haiti, get Your act together; the motherland still backing us "Big time"

Rubi baby sure Spain is pouring money in DR like crazy they have always been pouring money in DR ever since the Slave trade era and they never stopped they still consider DR as their slave colony till this day oh! it's true, it's true. So you think that they have nothing to gain from all those investments?
Honestly I'm glad that people are investing money in DR sooner or later Haiti will benefit most from all of those investments and the best part of it is Haiti doesn't have to give anything back sorry can't say the same for DR.

room1804: very distressed comments, Clean your act in Haiti first before you attack our Country.

People like You always looking for excuses not to go the extra mile in anything and being a "Lame person"

To rom1804 First off not everyone in the D.R. wanted to offer themselves to Spain, France, England and the U.S. although the future dominicans were occupied by the french also again by the spanish your simplifying? the truth. The truth is the Dominican Republic's population at that time was about half that of haiti's so the country needed a protectorate, also the country was constantly under the threat of the haitian military which outnumbered spanish and criollo soldiers. Another thing that's important the future dominicans got along with the spanish. And even with the french although not most, understand that the spanish fought back against the french. At a time when the spanish were being occupied by the french in Spain, in1809 the british in conjuction with the spaniards and spanish colonist same as criollos and even emancipated slaves fought against the french, and defeated them. So the eastern side of the island became again a spanish possesion.

Cont., What you maybe dont understand rom1804 is that the haitians did not have any allies. The french colonist in Haiti were slaughtered by the slave population there. Interest from Spain declined in 1822 when Jose Nunez De Caceres declared independence from Spain. Only two spanish colonies remained part of Spain by that time Cuba and Puerto Rico all others became independent by their own merit.

And another thing rom1804 theirs a large population of dominicans that can claim Spain as their motherland, haitians cant say the same about france!!!!! That's the difference.

To Josean You are very mistaken about Rafael Leonidas Trujillo alleged role in creating anti-haitianismo Anti-haitian sentiment is very old it began when haitian troops led by Henri Christophe and Jean Jacques Dessalines invaded the eastern side of the island in1805 they commited atrocities against the future dominican population. Read this article in (Spanish) also (English) http://vetasdigital.blogspot.com/....deguello-y-secuestro-de-nios.html

Cont., Some people believe that Rafael Leonidas Trujillo massacred thousands of haitians near the border (Parsley Massacre) in retribution to those massacres of the past perpetrated by haitian troops.

LOL . In redribution to what took place in 1805? I thought Ive seen it all but apparently I haven't. The real attrocity is the way the white spaniards/Dominicans enslaved and oppress their own people. So whatever Dessaline, or Christophe had to do to liberate the oppressed from misery and the chains of slavery is perfectly fine in my mind.

Mr 1804 What you dont seem to understand is the difference between these two countries as far as historical facts. The fact is the spanish side of the island in colonial times had a very small population of slaves in fact the colonist outnumbered the slaves. Is not the other way around, in Haiti the slaves outnumbered the colonist population by a huge ratio. That's why the racial composition of both countries is different, also if you compare population statistic's of the 19th century you will notice that haiti's population was double the size of the Dominican Republic. Today the Dominican Republic has a larger population then that of Haiti. But if you include illegal haitians residing in the Dominican Republic that number is bolstered even more.

Cont., Mr 1804 Remember one man's hero is another man's enemy! If you could read this article in spanish read it, if not you can translate it in english but the converter dont seem to work give it a try anyways. This article talks about the difference between the slaves of Haiti and the slaves of the eastern side of the island namely the Dominican Republic. http://surtidordeespejos.blogspot....-mentira-y-blancos-de-verdad.html

Mr Arctype very good analogy, however in part of it, you are pointing to a soup up version that tend to create diversion and subject to interpretation, and we know for a fact it has been the case throughout DR & H history relation.

I think it would be wise to rely on additional sources, and other point of view.

antonioj What exactly do you mean by "soup up" version, where is it that you disagree.

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what is the proof ?
Some people believe that Rafael Leonidas Trujillo massacred thousands of haitians near the border (Parsley Massacre) in retribution to those massacres of the past perpetrated by haitian troops.
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I do not want to review history, and make excuses for sin committed on both sides, however do you understand the context of a first free nation when slavery was next door as a treath. DR is a country bless by god for have been so lucky in history, I can not say the same for H.

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To Josean You are very mistaken about Rafael Leonidas Trujillo alleged role in creating anti-haitianismo Anti-haitian sentiment is very old it began when haitian troops led by Henri Christophe and Jean Jacques Dessalines invaded the eastern side of the island in1805 they commited atrocities against the future dominican population. Read this article in (Spanish) also (English) http://vetasdigital.blogspot.com/....deguello-y-secuestro-de-nios.html
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antonioj Im dominican and i can tell you that anti-haitian sentiment is not the brain child of Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, it began in1805 then it expanded even more because of the 22 year occupation of haiti on behalf of Jean Pierre Boyer despotism. And now it resonates more because of the large illegal presence of haitians in the Dominican Republic. Rafael Leonidas Trujillo was a nationalist but also a dictator that hungered for power, and finally met his fate because of the latter "Power". It's true Trujillo disliked haitians and as a nationalist his view of Haiti is naturally bred through the influence of historical events of the past that made him weary of the fact, that haitians were encroaching the border between both countries. So he reacted as a dictator and sent the military along the border to massacre those that could not pronounce the word "Perejil" correctly as they were killed on the spot.

arcatype,

I agreed with your point above, I do not think however his actions was in retalation to those massacres of the past perpetrated by haitian troops, he was more in pursuit of his personal agenda at that time (blanquisimo, anti communist, consolidation of powers ect..).... and Haitian was an easy target

Was this article written by Balaguer also? arcatype? Dont have time to read it now I will later

Long live Joaquin Balaguer!!!!!

Arcatype: agree with You 100%, also He kept Haitian ilegal inmigration controlled and could care less about other countries BS and whining.

Long live the DOCTOR........................

Long live Balaguer? .......well, at least we all know that somewhere in the world racist-dictators have love.

DR does care what other Countries think or have to say because most, if not all, of their economy they have or recently gain not so long ago back in 2004 depends on other Countries.

The only reason or partly why they haven not made any reform when it comes to certain issues pertaining to the Haitians there in DR is because that economy has not been threatened greatly and let us say gladly that it is because those Haitians really have not tried to cease daily operation business function flow in DR if they really wanted to get treated better. Believe me, consider this of the Haitians being really and extremely cordial, civil and respectful.

What Haitians are capable of, no Trujillo, Balaguer or Bosch or any other dictator can not deter oppress, suppress or even murder those Haitians or not would not be sufficient enough leave alone a military force which is only worth a few thousands if Haitians were to really decide to give DR hell for their money.

Again, I repeat and DR must take into notice that the longer they wait to start treating Haitian better and to at least give rights to those Haitian Dominican born, or the more DR sees nothing has happened is the time DR must be more and the most fearful of Haitians.

Silence can kill faster than pain is what I know and have learned as an American Soldier and those American Trainers will tell you during training that this tactic was learned from the Haitian Slave Revolt.

I remember how in 2005-2006 that the Dominican Tourism Revenue dropped suddenly bellow predicting lines for those seasons when most Tourists have said they would not come to DR if Haitians were not receive better treatment. The Dominican Government then started to ease up on the Haitians in the Puerto Plata and Sosua region. Puerto Plata and Sosua's Tourism was nearly dead, but I would not want to say it was all because of the Haitian treatment system why it happened.

Point is, DR's economy is still at a fragile state and has not gained a respectable level to afford being cocky or arrogant since indeed it is a growing economy yet frail and that adds to their Xenophobe and their already existed strong and negative resentments they have towards Haitians for years.

DR must know, when a child is growing, especially during their infantile growth years, that child can either be vulnerable or most likely die if not well maintain medically and nourish well enough

The one thing I know about Haitians and that is well known Worldwide is that, anything you are doing to them, if they have not done anything at all it is because they do not want to or have not decided. My friends, consider this as Haitian being civil and respectful if I must repeat once again.

DR must not know who they are dealing with and Indeed they have History to tell them. Perhaps we can all be that maybe Haitians do have changed and are a lot more positive andprone to accept injustice being committed against them these day, perhaps indeed this is a whole different kind of breed of Haitians nowadays and that is still scary because we do not know much of this new breed now.

If Haiti was so easy to get rid of, then we could say the rest of the World's problems would not be any challenge at all. Dominicans can deny me being Dominican all they want even when I am part Dominican, I would say I am also a part prideful Haitian and I know what they are capable of and DR know

I don´t mind your bashing Balaguer, Trujillo or the elites, Hispanolano, but, could you please read more before bashing Juan Bosch? From my estimation, you're talking pure crap when you dare put him on the same category with Trujillo or Balaguer, because, from my understanding, the only conflict that he ever had with Haiti was against the Duvalier (Papa Doc) regime, and this was AFTER the Duvalierist troops attacked the dominican embassy pursuing some political opponents. Foreign embassies, if the people in the US Army hadn't educated you about it yet, are considered to be FOREIGN TERRITORY, subject to the jurisdiction of the country with the representation on the embassy in question. So, again, please educate yourself more when talking about leaders from other people's countries, specially when talking about one that was the most democratic in the DR's history, one that, if he would have been allowed to remain in power, would have made DR-Haiti relations to be friendlier nowadays.

You´re being pretty naive if you think that a strike from the haitian workers would deprive the DR elites of their sleep, because this would only make them to substitute their production process from a heavy labour one to a technological one, seeing how they have enough monetary resources to make the transition. The only ones which would end up losing if a thing like that would happen would be the inmigrant workers, which would find themselves without sustenance for their families. Also, do you realistically thing that the elites, or the armed forces, are not prepared for the possibility of an uprising of any kind? You must excuse me, but I think that the US Army have done a pretty lousy job preparing you, because you must know by now that, if there's one thing that the US have done well on the DR is the training and supply of the dominican armed forces with the necessary skills and weapons enough for them to crush any insurrection that dares to show its ugly face (cont...).

(cont...), after all, they don't want a reenactment of the uprising of April 65' to catch them off-guard again, because, at that time, the only thing that prevented the constitutionalist from taking the power and reinstating Juan Bosch and the Constitution of 1963, was the timely intervention of the 82nd US Airborne (which, notwithstanding their military promenade on this country, would, like the rest of their armed brethen, suffer heavy casualties on Vietnam later on that year, but that's another story altogether). From the accounts of Balaguer's twelve years, you must be pretty aware of the terrible firepower that the DR's armed forces are still capable of unleashing (Some people establish that on Balaguer's reign there were more killings that in Trujillo's one, a feat all by itself, considering the timespan of both regimes).

You guy's boast about freeing yourself and others out of slavery? but in turn slavery still remains alive in Haiti isin't that amazing! <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/JfpwL9lR...."></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/JfpwL9lR8Gg&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Arcatype, you are right. I am not for the way we have little poor children being abused in Haiti. It kills me inside to see those kids who are being mistreated, misused. Damn it, it kills me inside. I have said that to many Haitian sites. I have to write an Article on that. Damn it, you are right man. Those parents who have sold those kids to others however did it in the hope the kids will get a better life and in many cases they are lied to and exploited and even were promised that those kids will be going to school and be treated like their own. It is a shame the cruelty and inhumanity people can have in their hearts these days.

But Arcatype, there are many programs being launched to stop this travesty of human lives and violations of those kids. Wyclef himself is a prominent leader of many organization in Haiti trying to demand of the Society to be aware. You see, the Elites are often the ones taking those kids in and in return abuse them and use them as servants.

Good that something is being done.

Are you really sincere about that last statement arcatype........."Good that something is being done" . Because based on some of your past comments on this site in which it is pertaining to Haiti/Haitians, Im surprised this is not something you would enjoy and love to throw in our face.

If you are happy and find it amusing(as it shows on your May 5th comment 4 rows up) just say it.

Litsen the Restavek problem in Haiti is a domestic problem, if you are doing something positive to curb this problem within your borders then is a good thing. Dont you think so!

You still did not reply to my response but its okay

What did i not reply?

"You guy's boast about freeing yourself and others out of slavery? but in turn slavery still remains alive in Haiti isin't that amazing!"

I find nothing amazing about your comment.....And in a way I find it very disgusting.

But isn't that the truth, when you speak to any haitian about the history of the island the first thing that comes out of your mouth's we freed the slaves. Well i also tell them nobody ever invited the haitians to invade or occupy our side of the island, What i find amazing is that such exploitation exist in a country where most of it's descendants were once slaves. And partake in enslaving children the question is why? where are the parents of these children how can authorities and goverment officials allow so many children to be exploited. Maybe you can expound on this since you are haitian and what is the root to this evil. And if you feel that my question is disgusting then dont answer at all.

I'm talking about the wording you used.....As if this is something thats funny/amazing and you can use that to stick it to the Haitians. Personally I'm against this type of s*** and if I was in the Haitian parliament I would impose automatic life in prison for anyone in the restavik business. Clearly I have no power over this but you my friend, using that as a low blow is not classy at all.

Friends (at least the ones that can read in spanish), please check this out:

http://www.espacinsular.org/spip.php?article5580

Let's pray for this project to be successful.

Lautaro, y yo tambien... Espero que funcione este proyecto. Si, deseo tambien que este proyecto voy hacer bien para las dos pais.

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You guy's boast about freeing yourself and others out of slavery? but in turn slavery still remains alive in Haiti isin't that amazing!"
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This is great Mr arcatype is such comment really necessary, how can you compare apple and oranges, seem to be flagrant ignorance of history, facts and context, lay in proper grammar.