SANTO DOMINGO.- A former Haitian diplomat today proposed a meeting between the Immigration authorities, Haiti’s embassy, churches and non-government organizations of the migratory area, to seek a solution to the proliferation of Haitians who beg in the streets of Dominican cities.
Edwin Paraison ex- consul of Haiti in Dominican Republic made the request, regarding yesterday’s warning by Police chief Rafael Guzmán, that the problem of Haitian beggars would be controlled.
Paraison admitted that the situation affects tourism, as their presence in the Capital’s main avenues is a “pitiful image for the Haitian community in the country, Haiti and Haitians generally.”
He said the situation is not only an expression of the degree of poverty that reigns in Haiti, but also proof that the traffic of people across the border continues. “Poor undocumented women are victims of inescrupulosas people,” even to the point of being taken “to strategic corners” to beg.
Paraison said since the issue is linked to his country’s extreme poverty, childhood and women, it needs to be treated in the human as well as in the legal scope. " Not even the NGOs that work on these topics have conducted practical interventions in search of ways to solve it.”
The former consul, who said the Immigration Agency has acted prudently to prevent denunciations by human rights groups regarding the deportations.
He added that Haiti’s diplomatic representatives fear being perceived as instigators in their compatriots’ plight, and for that reason limit their initiatives.
SOURCE: elnacional.com.do
Written by: Belial, 25 Jun 2008 4:08 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Spread of Haitian beggars on Dominican streets must be solved, ex Haiti consul says"
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I hope the ex Haiti consul doesn't recommend this as the solution "Murder convict strolled Dominican streets, night clubs, with jailor."
Written by: talia, 25 Jun 2008 4:48 PM
From: United States, NY
Whoever this ex-consul is or what he's done... he speaks the truth. As an haitiana-americana I felt
what he talked about when I went there as a tourist. Seeing the haitianos begging in the street. This is disheartening. I don't want to see them on the street like this, and as much as I or any haitiian loves their people, we don't want others to perceive this as the face of our country. (Like any group of people, you want to be regarded in a better light) Something has to be done not just for the sake of DR but for the sake of the haitian people. I'm glad Mr. Paraison spoke up. Many will scoff, but others must still speak up. Its not enough to just say how sorry and complain... something has to be done. And I am telling you all something is going to happen, Leonel will not and cannot and will not take much more of this.
Written by: arcatype 
, 25 Jun 2008 5:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Whats new?
Written by: juanb, 25 Jun 2008 6:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
New York City faced a similiar problem 12 or more years ago. Very simply, squeegee men, beggars, and people violating all sorts of "not very important" laws were arrested and put in jail for short periods of time. Guess what? They stopped doing these illegal things and the quality of life in NYC improved dramatically. Could this happen here? With our Police system?
From: United States
everone in DR is trying to survive,
From: Canada
Talia thank you for these understanding words ....Yes it is truly sad to see children in this condition ...Let us hope it does not have the effect of hardening the hearts of the people who are more fortunate and witness this degrading spectacle every day ...With the world economy now so shaky I fear for these unfortunate people in Haiti....The international community is to blame ....and lets not forget the fools in the Congressional Black Caucus who tried to apply their concept of democracy to a situation they only made worse ...Let us hope Maxine Waters and the black caucus go to Haiti and stay there they are the idiots that excaserbated the problem by installing Aristide during Clintons regime.....they are the problem not the solution ....More outsiders making more problems by bringing their agenda to a problem they act like they know nothing about
From: United States
G C don t forget Sonia pierre the so called Dominican who has done more harm to all the Haitians living in D R....,and now we have another SONIA, called Consuello living in Montellano.I have read most of her post ,and believe me she forgot something very importante.don t bite the Hand that feed your HAITIAN MOUTH.
From: United States
The realities of ignorance and a country unwilling to take responsibilities and delivers its poverties across its border. The so called humans rights group are just another bunch of cowards that have one eye closed and another open to shift the blanes and thus covering those who are responsible for the conditionsand cituations of the Haitian people. The Dominican Government is not " RESPONSIBLE ". Using children and women really describes how Haitian politicians and the entire haitian government are a true example of the destruction of life. Is easy to say " well, dominican you got them now " and they are supposed and expected to open their hearts and give to them what they don't give to their own citezens. How nice to say hey I'm poor you got to give me from part of your hard working day cause I can do what you do. Beggars are an insult to themselves and its a higher crime for a country to deliberatly create and export such people especially children to its neighboring country.
From: United States
We have to let the "Haitians" to do as They please because If the Dominican goverment does something about it, would be violating the "Geneva convention".
Compassion and let Them destroy and do whatever They want in the whole island.
Written by: arcatype , 25 Jun 2008 9:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You know what i will propose the following to all the haitian apologizers. Lets open the border for one year, let the haitians do as they please. And watch how on a hot summer afternoon, you wont find a tree to get some shade. If Haiti is like the Sahara what you think will happen here?????
From: United States
Iam very carefull about saying anything about AYITIANS,otherwise they ll not post what i want only about whatr HAITIANS WRITE ABOUT MY BITH COUNTRYGRRRRRR.
From: Dominican Republic, From a yanikeke stand near you
This is just another example of people looking for answers in the wrong place,
The solution to the never-ending Haitian problem of poverty and political instability should be resolved in Haiti, dominicanz have enough problems with home grown beggars as it is.
Here’s a solution for my Haitians brothers: instead of begging get a freaking job !!!!
The word on the street is that Haitians make a mean yanikeke.
that's just an idea........
Written by: Jander, 25 Jun 2008 11:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This won't be an easy job for the authorities as it involves woman and children. I am sure not all will jump in the van willingly as they are probably scared to death.
I hope their are some Haitian translators and female police to assit with the operation.
From: Canada
very good humanitarian point Jander....but as always it is difficult to imagine this being the case
From: United States
i first saw this influx of Haitian beggars in the capital some years ago. usually women, with woefully undernourished and unkempt children, wandered the streets looking for handouts. my Dominican friend informed me at the time that they were set up to beg by Dominican syndicates, who received a part of the receipts in return for protection. these syndicates numbered within their ranks quite a few officers of the law. so, in the interest of fairness when discussing this ticklish subject, please factor in that information.
From: Canada
we do dread but living here on a daily basis and having to marshal your resources of charity and make decisions about who is worthy and who is not is in itself a soul killing experience....the sindicatos who do this are the lowest of the low because they trade in false pretense for compassion....I cannot bare to see women with children begging and they know this also...I turn away rather than have to make this decision..it is heart wrenching
From: United States
yes, Goulet, so, given your revulsion regarding the condition, try to ponder the soul of a person who would profiteer from it. the good Lord knows why i am not in a position of power. people like these i would boil in lobster tanks; seriously!
Written by: arcatype , 26 Jun 2008 11:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"So dominicans are the one's organizing the haitian beggars on the streets" that's the stupidest thing i have ever heard! When is it that haitians would stop blaming others for their own misery. And take responsibility for their own actions. The next big project should be the great wall in the border, to keep these miserable people that blame everybody for their problems in there side of the border!!!!!
From: United States
it might be stupid to you , Arcatype, but that does not mean it does not have an element of truth. are you asserting that Dominican criminal types are above this type of social aberration? are you saying that they are too moral to participate in such activities? drug selling, murder, rape, robbery, credit card fraud, killing for cellphones is ok, but organising beggars is beneath dignity? are you serious?
Written by: DonDiego, 26 Jun 2008 12:43 PM
From: United States
So is begging in public illegal? Can illegal immigrants be deported? My guess is that the answer to both questions is "yes", so what's the problem?
From: United States
DonDiego, i was unaware that begging is illegal in the Dr. i am still unsure. what makes you guess that it is?
From: United States
as an aside, can you explain the term ¨begging in public¨? is that as opposed to ¨begging in private¨?
From: Canada
begging in private dread is what you do with your girl friend
From: Canada
Jewish foreplay 45 minutes of begging......old joke
Written by: DonDiego, 26 Jun 2008 3:40 PM
From: United States
OK, maybe begging IS legal, but you get the idea. Surely there are laws against harassing people, obstructing traffic, trespassing, etc. Get them off the streets and back in their own country. How hard could it be?
Written by: rom1804, 26 Jun 2008 4:17 PM
From: Zimbabwe
We have to let the "Haitians" to do as They please because If the Dominican goverment does something about it, would be violating the "Geneva convention".
Compassion and let Them destroy and do whatever They want in the whole island.
RUBI:
The whole Island is ours why shouldn't we be able to do whatever we want?
If Haitians wants to walk around naked from PAP to SD. Hell let them. HAITIANS THE HISPANIOLA IS YOURS BABY.
Written by: rom1804, 26 Jun 2008 4:25 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Congratulations to Patrick Gaspard in New York!. Barack Obama has picked him as his campaign director and this is as yet another accomplishment of our Haitian brothers and sisters.
Kwame Raoul was the first. I Guess OBAMA is running with the Haitians. What does this mean?
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Will Haiti gets its groove back if and when Obama becomes president.
Jokingly "Wyclef for Vice President" lol I'm funny
Written by: Lautaro, 26 Jun 2008 4:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Don't be so smug, Z-Man, because, if Obama really wants to be president, he will have to seduce the Latino vote, and from what I have seen on the last polls (and from the results of the democratic convention), he's held on a very low esteem by that community. So it's a given that he has a lot of way to go before he can go claimming victory. On the other hand, shouldn't you be hunting Morgan Tsvangirai? because, from what I have heard, your big boss is pretty much annoyed by the fact of that man still keeping his head on his shoulders, yet.
Written by: rom1804, 26 Jun 2008 4:52 PM
From: Zimbabwe
lol He doesn't need to campaign for the Latinos just like he doesn't need to campaign for the black votes he knows that he will get those automatically. Who else are we going to vote for? Mccain come one man wake up this is politics.
Written by: Lautaro, 26 Jun 2008 4:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Tell that to the cubans which are currently with the ownership of Florida. Are you willing to bet them swinging their votes and influence for Obama, specially after he promised to talk with the Castros, no strings attached? You'll have to be a fool if you're willing to ignore the fact that Florida is pretty much the key to the US executive (specially after they made themselves sure that the african americans would not surpass them on the ballots), and the fact that they will never forgive the democrats after Clinton's role in their failure to secure the custody of Elian Gonzalez. As I said, keep dreaming, Z-Man.
From: United States
haiti is like the UN... All they do is talk
this job is for the Dominican Army
Written by: rom1804, 26 Jun 2008 5:25 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Carlos Franco -- Did you know that most of your Dominican Soldiers are of Haitian or African Descendants. Sure you Officers maybe be Dominicans-Spaniards but officers don't win battles. Soldiers Do.
How do you expect to defeat us with your Army when we are your Army.
From: Canada
Not that Nader is going to be a factor but you should have heard what he had to say about Obama it was brilliant and true ....Ralphie calls em like he sees em.....you would be suprised
From: United States
Room1804:
Something is coming up in Dominican Republic, let's see what happens eventually little "Cockroach"
Your freedom of speech will have to get a hold for ever.
Written by: Lautaro, 26 Jun 2008 11:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Rom1804 said: Did you know that most of your Dominican Soldiers are of Haitian or African Descendants. Sure you Officers maybe be Dominicans-Spaniards but officers don't win battles. Soldiers Do.
If you're placing your trust in a bunch of thugs and turncoats like those, then you need some serious courses about character appraisal, pal. Believe me, your faith in them could not be more misplaced. If their level of attachment to Haiti were to be as strong as you foolishly portray, how would you explain then the callous treatment that they give daily to the haitians unfortunate enough to fall into their hands, a hobby in which they seem to be enjoying themselves inmensely? Come on, Z-man, as Mugabe's top henchman you should know better than making stupid assumptions like that. The only thing that they've ever cared about is filling their bottomless pockets, to the exclusion of everything else, african/haitian descended or not.
From: United States
actually, Mr Lautaro, the cuban disdain for the democratic party goes back even further; they will not forgive Kennedy for botching the Bay Of Pigs. factor into the equation the fact that they see the democratic party as the one which is closer to ¨the morenos¨´ , and it is easy to see why they support the republicans. but fear not; this election is not even going to be close. obama is building momentum, and mccain just looks lost. there are simple cultural factors which count against him. in the year 2008, it is very destructive to go on TV and announce to the nation that you are computer illiterate. the younger generation who can vote just will not accept a president who cannot use Google
Written by: Danny, 27 Jun 2008 10:45 AM
From: Canada
As a proud Haitian, it is painful to see my people begging on the steet in DR. The fact is that our country is in a long crisis and our problem has ruined our contry and is crossing the border to DR. I feel sorry for this desperate position of my people and for the weight they are to our neibouring government. I'm not asking for charity, I ask the Dominican to be wise and uderstand our problem and show some compassion by treating our prople with respect and dignity.
No matter what happened in the past, it is our responsibility to fix our country and give our people the opportunity to have the decent life all human deserve. And hopefully in not too long, when we'll be back on the road of propsperity, we'll remember that we have a dept of gratitude to the Dominican for their support and not a grief.
Let's come together for the GOOD of us all.
Written by: arcatype , 27 Jun 2008 3:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Hey cdrom1804 your surface has plenty of scratches!!!!!
Written by: arcatype , 27 Jun 2008 4:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Boy what we need is the iron fist of a trujillo a dominicano de pura cepa! and these chumps will not even dream of even living near the border. Carlos Franco it makes sense, the border needs to be militarized and mined.
From: United States
latest news for everybody involved, Dominican society is waking up little by little and let's see what happens in the near future; Haitians must grow up (literally speaking), wish the best for Them since at the end I was borned, raised, and continue practicing "Catholicism" in Dominican Republic and since I love my country so much there is no crime defending my Genes, family and foundation.
On the other hand Dominican Republic don't deserve to be a "International Pariah" for not reason and even worst being pushed by the same people that hate "Haitians" and want to use our country as a "Scapegoat"
I wish the best for everybody specially with "Civilization" as long as everybody protects, respects and leave Dominicans alone
From: Canada
' " factor into the equation the fact that they see the democratic party as the one which is closer to ¨the morenos¨´ , and it is easy to see why they support the republicans "..... Dread you are reaching and fine tuning a subject that is more complicated than the racial component could be .....I sympathize with your sensativity on this matter but it cannot be the focal point of every political argument as in Haiti and comes across again as the slimy race card marked and dealt from the bottom of the deck.....the Latino cultures all do not play in that game.....and ask specificly to be dealt out of the hand.....and soon younger Americans will as well ....soon being I dont know when ? Also dread did you know Eliians fathers attorney is a top top advisor to Obama
From: United States
Everything goes back to money.
The Haitian labor was positive for the growth of real estate construction.
Now the overflow has past the tipping point of economic benefit.
The very construction created must now be successfully sold and masses of Haitians begging is a strong blocks foreign investment in real estate.
The focus is sending Haitians back, international treatment of Haiti and total disassociation of the DR with ANY solution to address Haitian internal problems within Dominican territory. In other words absolutely nothing but deportation can be an effective national policy. Attempting to provide safe haven increases the migration and prevents real solution in Haiti by acting as a safety value to the harm of the DR. No mines would help but arresting employers would send Haitians home.
The talk of Haitian invasion is stooge talk, but clearly someone is behind it. Such propaganda promotes violence, wisdom is both prepare for potential violence and remove immediately
From: United States
the anyone talking invasion, which is subversion by definition.
The construction has long past opened the floodgates, close them or the momentum will swamp the DR.
This has nothing to do with lack of charity, it is simply national survival.
Written by: rom1804, 28 Jun 2008 10:19 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Sure I think I like the idea of an enclosed DR. Go ahead build the walls. Corner yourselves in. I like that. it will make our Job easier.
Note to self.......Make sure the Haitian construction workers gets the contract for this wall.
From: United States
Goulet, i have a fair understanding about the divide between hispanics and blacks in the USA, or at least let me restrict that to New York. firstly, you have to understand that at no time do i lay the blame exclusively at the door of the hispanics. the two groups have traditionally scrambled for the scraps left by the mainstream establishment, and , sadly, the black legislators have been unsympathetic to latino causes on too many occasions.blacks feel slighted when latinos do not support their causes, and vice versa. not too many Latinos turned up for the million man march, nor do they turn out in force in protests such as the Amadou Diallo debacle.it is a convoluted subject, but it has deep seated racial identity issues, wherein hispanics seek to align themselves with caucasians, because they see themselves as being closer to them in nature.
From: Canada
this requires a private format to discuss...... I find it fascinating and delicate..... Please do not think me Racist ....to discuss this on line from a very pro hispanic perspective is my facade...I have a perspective of a white person not from the USA who lived many years in a black society where the Judiciary the Constabulary and the Executive branch was black .....I know what DWW is as in DWB now I hope you read this in the true spirit it was written and someday I look forward to meeting you..good luck
From: United States
rom-
paid perp for another power or not that talk is very bad
From: United States
i look forward to the same, Goulet, and in a spirit of camaraderie. with your extensive knowledge of the caribbean basin, i am sure there are many, many things i can learn from you.
From: United States
Goulet, maybe one day we can discuss the effects of living in a society such as the ex-british colonies, wherein the administrative populations were more representative of the racial makeup of the society, in contrast to one such as the DR, wherein the minority european stock controls the lifeblood of the land. it should make for interesting discussion. glad you made mention of that aspect of caribbean society. who knows, maybe other posters will weigh in on the subject before this is over!
Written by: , 1 Jul 2008 8:56 AM
From:
sorry dread but I read your post with sadness because the places you refer to are no where near as homogenized as Cuba ,Puerto Rico or the Dominican republic....I believe they will be the example of multicultural in the second and third world ....Not little enlaves of people where one groups says " We ban here " and the other says " We brought you here with the mongoose "....In spite of all it failings these cultures ie.Spanish Antilles are much more tolerant in all things than say Jamaica or Barbados or Antigua or BVI and they are far far more multiracial than the English or French islands
From: United States
i disagree wholeheartedly with that viewpoint, especially from the point of being tolerant. the important aspect of british caribbean life as i saw it is that there is no identity crisis there. people who are black know that they are, and act accordingly, for better or worse. there is no parallel situation wherein black people hate other black people because they are black. you have to remember that all the ex british colonies have had leadership that looks like the population for many years. Leonel is the only black or negroid head of state in Latin America, ever!
Written by: Lautaro, 1 Jul 2008 12:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Leonel is the only black or negroid head of state in Latin America, ever!"
Are you sure of that mr. dread? last I heard, the second president of the mexican republic was actually a man of african descent: Vicente Guerrero. Usually, I'm not that advice the use of wikipedia, but on this case I will make an exception:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_GuerreroIn fact, one of the mexican states is named after him (the state of Guerrero) whose capital is the worldwide famous city of Acapulco.
From: United States
thank you for that, Mr Lautaro. i will look that up asap. however, that would still account for a diminimus amount , given the number of countries and their years of self government.
Written by: Lautaro, 1 Jul 2008 12:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Nevertheless, Guerrero's achievement is a feat all by itself because: 1- The mexican white criollo elite is one of the most recalcitrant of the entire region and 2- People of african descent have always been an absolute minority on that country.
From: United States
i could not agree with you more.
From: Canada
there is no identity crisis there. people who are black know that they are, and act accordingly, for better or worse. there is no parallel situation wherein black people hate other black people because they are black. .......that is the the farthest from the truth.....dread if you should meet an educated American Black who tried to fit in you will be invariably told how badly they were treated by the west indian.....you would be naive to think otherwise ....and race is everything to a west indian there is no tolerance of white in those islands ...they live and breathe it as they suck their teeth and call you a white mothers-----t
From: United States
and vice versa regarding treatment of west indians by american blacks.it is not a color thing, Goulet. it is almost territorial. i have relatives who migrated to the states from the caribbean, and who report that they were treated far worse by american blacks than by whites. who do you think invented the term ¨monkey chaser¨? not some redneck from mississippi, but some wank from harlem. you have to realise that the first waves of british west indian immigrants to the usa were the cane cutters, followed by the more educated sector, namely nurses in the late 1950s. the new york health establishment was searching the world over for nurses, because of a shortage locally. because of superior education systems, the ex brit colonies exported waves of nurses to new york in say 1956 onwards. the american blacks were furious, claiming that the immigrants were ¨taking their jobs¨the west indians replied by saying ïf you could do it, we would not be here¨. the cultural differences became
From: United States
exaggerated, and simple issues were points of separation. west indians, with traditions of frugality, ridiculed black americans for living in squalid apartment buildings, while having a cadillac parked otside the projects. one must remember that afro west indians had never seen apartment buildings before, coming from a culture where everyone lived in a house, be it however humble. so the peroid of adjustment was long and tedious, and only recently, with the intermingling of musical styles, are the barriers beginning to break down. as to the legendary anger of british west indians..it is true. they will not stand for anything they consider disrespect. i watched a comedian on you tube express the opinion that jamaicans are the most angry black people on the planet, and that they will shoot for anything. that applies across the board. they will shoot their fellow jamaicans in a heartbeat, and foreigners even more quickly, if they feel disrespected.
From: United States
it is not a race thing. if you do not give them reason to go crazy, i do not think they will. but, unlike the DR, where dominicans permit expats to do whatever they please, the british guys have less tolerance. i guess it is, as i said before, territorial. to them, their island is their part of the world, and they make the laws, not foreigners.
From: Canada
right ....I know the history of the smug superior West indian coming to America......just as I know the history of the smug superior Englishman coming to Canada ...they were both a pain in the Arse ....with their affected accents now exaggerated as if to show some status although they were only a plumbers assistant saying to each other ....".Got to give us a job you know England owns Canada "....The west indians came with huge pretensions as well that led to many raw feelings amongst what were probably lesser educated American Blacks....the west indians mimicking their colonial masters to a T...the Pakis and Indians also have this out english an englishman habit ....the worst were the Scots only good for jail guards and bus drivers ....But you knew they would end up with a government job...and they did
Written by: Lautaro, 1 Jul 2008 2:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Speaking of the animosity between american blacks and west indians, have any of you heard about the quarrel between Marcus Garvey and W.E.B Dubois?
From: Canada
Yesterdays newspapers...Colin Powells biography is inspiring ....No whining and complaining there........ if I was a redneck I would say he just got her done.....A guy who never cried victim in his life
From: United States
actually, Goulet, the west indians did not go to america with any sense of entitlement, because there was no linkage between america and the indies, such as in the case of canada and the UK. most of them were plain country girls who managed to study nursing in the hospital system. they had no money, nor status in the caribbean society, because people with those attributes do not emigrate. the resentment came from the americans, who saw them as interlopers. even to this day, the american black is the most reactionary in terms of immigration policy, as he sees every foreigner, legal or illegal, as a threat to his job. that helps to explain the gulf between hispanics and blacks in american politics.and yes, Mr Lautaro; thanks for making reference to that disagreement between DuBois and Marcus Garvey.
From: Canada
dread you see this from the west indian perspective ....and yes the west indians took on the pretensions of their colonial masters mimicking them to a T......the 50s was a huge brain drain for the west indies...UK and Canada and USA benefited .....The west indians just did not think the American blacks measured up to their English standards...Just like UK citizens were bailing out in droves and trying to get to the Americas ...Working class lads and wankers like duane started putting on an upper class act that we did not recognize and they made it in America and Canada
From: United States
you are not entirely incorrect when you put it like that. whatever airs and graces the west indians manifested were instilled into them by their english masters. remember that independence from britain did not come to the caribbean nations until after 1960.
From: Canada
Yes I remember well the Yacht Britannia sailing by these islands to say farewell so to speak ....in those days they thought a commonwealth passport always gave them jolly old england
Written by: Lautaro, 2 Jul 2008 3:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Working class lads and wankers like duane started putting on an upper class act that we did not recognize..."
Is he on the same class as king wanker from wiki, goulet? LOL
From: Canada
Dread I hit the nail on the head.....Not all but a good chunk of them are like that.....Arriving on foriegn shores the first thing they did was look for a government job the Brits that is.... Maybe a little bit rubbed off on you....That is why you are so touchy and sensitive when I bring it up.Just think how clanish the islanders are each island puffed up and trying to feel superior in its way..give it some thought ...reflect look within yourself....you are always diminishing other peoples education or intelligence thats pure Brit attitude...the queens english etc. you know what Barry said in his book dont you.... From Dreams of My Father...I quote : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'..............@@@@@......Just like some of the whiners and complainers we have here... think about it
From: Canada
Lautaro His Royal Anus King Wanker of Wiki is the supreme Wanker of all Wankers....and Duane "the wanker"aside from being British is a nice guy probably.... I just like to take the P out of him with cheap shots ....he has a sense of humour unlike some
From: United States Virgin Islands
Yes, it is true that if Obama wins, it would be better for Haiti. Obama is black and whatever comes across his desk about Haiti, he has a good heart, he will most likely take a look at and consider as oppose to past U.S. governments. But Obama unfortunately will not be able to solve Haiti's problems. Haiti is corrupted. The corruption has to stopped before anything drastic can occur. In this present time the only way corruption in Haiti would stop would be if another major power would invade it. There are pockets of projects being implemented in Haiti but because of the corruption a lot of money under the table had to be payed. Most investors are not willing to pay corrupted people. The whole of Haiti needs infrastructure and that takes an invading power to do that or a motivated nationalist government that cares about the people. I do not see that for Haiti right now.
From: United States Virgin Islands
Someone said that Obama needs the Latino vote to win. That is true. However, most latinos will not vote for a black person. Especially Puerto Ricans and Cubans. It is a racial attitude. Latinos do not want to associate themselves with blacks because blacks are perceived as second class citizens. Latinos want people to see them as fully white. The whole race issue is stupid as far as I am concerned because I do not see color. I see myself as a human being. I am speaking on a spiritual level and racists are simply not on that level. They are on a simple, basic, physical level. In any event, what Obama needs to do is to campain and speak often to the Latino community and perhaps bring Hillary Clinton on his staff. Puerto Ricans love Hillary Clinton. Haiti Note: If you are interested about Haiti's pockets of development check the following websites:
http://www.ilelatortue.com ,
http://www.port-morgan.com ,
http://www.nkfz.com ,
http://www.clubindigo.net .
From: United States Virgin Islands
Haiti has a plan to get the country back on track. If the plans were to be put in action, the Dominican Republic will benefit from it because there will be less Haitian peasants escaping Haiti and entering the Dominican Republic illegally. The Preval Goverment has a detailed planning of improvements for Haiti. The plans where done by Haitian Economists and with the help of the International Community. They have plans to create agriculture, aquaculture, tourism, education, roads, public transportation, electricity ect... That is a good start. However, my question to Preval is how come it is taking so long to implement the plans and to put them in action. How come we are not seing roads built for example? Is it a money issue? I thought money was given to Haiti for projects already? Where did the money go? The Haiti Projects from Ministere de la Planification can be found here:
http://mpce.gouv.ht/dsrp.htm From: Canada
Hey docpeters what they need is Basket Head and Henry Kimmelman again
From: United States Virgin Islands
Progreso en proyectos en Haití:
El Banco Interamericano de Desarrollo está avanzando con una ambiciosa cartera de operaciones en Haití, la nación que presenta los mayores desafíos al desarrollo en las Américas. En estrecha colaboración con el gobierno del presidente René Préval y la comunidad internacional, el BID trabaja en sectores clave como transporte, agricultura, salud, educación, energía, el medio ambiente y el agua potable.
Además de dichas inversiones a largo plazo, que en gran medida se despliegan fuera de la capital, Puerto Príncipe, el BID respalda los esfuerzos del gobierno haitiano para aliviar las penurias causadas por las alzas de precios del petróleo y los alimentos.
En mayo el BID actuó con celeridad para desembolsar 27 millones de dólares para el gobierno haitiano, que acababa de anunciar medidas de emergencia para contener los precios de productos básicos como el arroz, crear empleos mediante programas de obras públicas y estimular la producción rural.
From: United States Virgin Islands
Progreso en proyectos en Haití:
La mayoría de las operaciones del BID, sin embargo, se concentran en tres objetivos estratégicos de Haití: sentar bases sólidas para el crecimiento económico, mejorar el acceso a servicios básicos y fortalecer el sector público.
Con 698 millones de dólares en préstamos blandos y donaciones, la cartera del BID en Haití incluye operaciones para reconstruir caminos y carreteras, expandir la cobertura de electricidad y agua potable, intensificar la producción agraria, mejorar el acceso a la educación, la salud y la capacitación laboral, y aumentar la recaudación fortaleciendo las aduanas y la dirección impositiva.
Para apalancar esos recursos, el BID busca acuerdos con otras instituciones y gobiernos donantes que pueden aportar fondos para proyectos en Haití. A la fecha el BID ha conseguido sumar más de 100 millones de dólares en donaciones de Canadá, 22,6 millones de dólares de la OPEP y 6,7 millones de dólares de la Unión Europea.
From: United States Virgin Islands
Una firma dominicana y una firma haitiana llevarán adelante obras por valor de 7,4 millones de dólares en Port-de-Paix, que de acuerdo al ministro de Obras Públicas, Frantz Vérella, podrían finalizar en 10 meses.
Proyectos de agua
El gobierno haitiano se ha fijado grandes metas en agua y saneamiento, entre ellas ampliar la cobertura de los servicios de agua potable a 70% de la población para el 2010, frente a casi la mitad de la población en la actualidad. Como la principal fuente de financiamiento para proyectos de agua en Haití, el BID ha concentrado sus actividades en la promoción de reformas institucionales y la expansión de servicios en ciudades secundarias y comunidades rurales. Asimismo financia estudios sobre los servicios en la región metropolitana de Puerto Príncipe.
From: Canada
so doc peters must be from Fredrikansted did I guess right ?
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I hope the ex Haiti consul doesn't recommend this as the solution "Murder convict strolled Dominican streets, night clubs, with jailor."
what he talked about when I went there as a tourist. Seeing the haitianos begging in the street. This is disheartening. I don't want to see them on the street like this, and as much as I or any haitiian loves their people, we don't want others to perceive this as the face of our country. (Like any group of people, you want to be regarded in a better light) Something has to be done not just for the sake of DR but for the sake of the haitian people. I'm glad Mr. Paraison spoke up. Many will scoff, but others must still speak up. Its not enough to just say how sorry and complain... something has to be done. And I am telling you all something is going to happen, Leonel will not and cannot and will not take much more of this.
Compassion and let Them destroy and do whatever They want in the whole island.
The solution to the never-ending Haitian problem of poverty and political instability should be resolved in Haiti, dominicanz have enough problems with home grown beggars as it is.
Here’s a solution for my Haitians brothers: instead of begging get a freaking job !!!!
The word on the street is that Haitians make a mean yanikeke.
that's just an idea........
I hope their are some Haitian translators and female police to assit with the operation.
Compassion and let Them destroy and do whatever They want in the whole island.
RUBI:
The whole Island is ours why shouldn't we be able to do whatever we want?
If Haitians wants to walk around naked from PAP to SD. Hell let them. HAITIANS THE HISPANIOLA IS YOURS BABY.
Kwame Raoul was the first. I Guess OBAMA is running with the Haitians. What does this mean?
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Will Haiti gets its groove back if and when Obama becomes president.
Jokingly "Wyclef for Vice President" lol I'm funny
haiti is like the UN... All they do is talk
this job is for the Dominican Army
How do you expect to defeat us with your Army when we are your Army.
Something is coming up in Dominican Republic, let's see what happens eventually little "Cockroach"
Your freedom of speech will have to get a hold for ever.
If you're placing your trust in a bunch of thugs and turncoats like those, then you need some serious courses about character appraisal, pal. Believe me, your faith in them could not be more misplaced. If their level of attachment to Haiti were to be as strong as you foolishly portray, how would you explain then the callous treatment that they give daily to the haitians unfortunate enough to fall into their hands, a hobby in which they seem to be enjoying themselves inmensely? Come on, Z-man, as Mugabe's top henchman you should know better than making stupid assumptions like that. The only thing that they've ever cared about is filling their bottomless pockets, to the exclusion of everything else, african/haitian descended or not.
No matter what happened in the past, it is our responsibility to fix our country and give our people the opportunity to have the decent life all human deserve. And hopefully in not too long, when we'll be back on the road of propsperity, we'll remember that we have a dept of gratitude to the Dominican for their support and not a grief.
Let's come together for the GOOD of us all.
On the other hand Dominican Republic don't deserve to be a "International Pariah" for not reason and even worst being pushed by the same people that hate "Haitians" and want to use our country as a "Scapegoat"
I wish the best for everybody specially with "Civilization" as long as everybody protects, respects and leave Dominicans alone
The Haitian labor was positive for the growth of real estate construction.
Now the overflow has past the tipping point of economic benefit.
The very construction created must now be successfully sold and masses of Haitians begging is a strong blocks foreign investment in real estate.
The focus is sending Haitians back, international treatment of Haiti and total disassociation of the DR with ANY solution to address Haitian internal problems within Dominican territory. In other words absolutely nothing but deportation can be an effective national policy. Attempting to provide safe haven increases the migration and prevents real solution in Haiti by acting as a safety value to the harm of the DR. No mines would help but arresting employers would send Haitians home.
The talk of Haitian invasion is stooge talk, but clearly someone is behind it. Such propaganda promotes violence, wisdom is both prepare for potential violence and remove immediately
The construction has long past opened the floodgates, close them or the momentum will swamp the DR.
This has nothing to do with lack of charity, it is simply national survival.
Note to self.......Make sure the Haitian construction workers gets the contract for this wall.
paid perp for another power or not that talk is very bad
Are you sure of that mr. dread? last I heard, the second president of the mexican republic was actually a man of african descent: Vicente Guerrero. Usually, I'm not that advice the use of wikipedia, but on this case I will make an exception: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Guerrero
In fact, one of the mexican states is named after him (the state of Guerrero) whose capital is the worldwide famous city of Acapulco.
Is he on the same class as king wanker from wiki, goulet? LOL
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El Banco Interamericano de Desarrollo está avanzando con una ambiciosa cartera de operaciones en Haití, la nación que presenta los mayores desafíos al desarrollo en las Américas. En estrecha colaboración con el gobierno del presidente René Préval y la comunidad internacional, el BID trabaja en sectores clave como transporte, agricultura, salud, educación, energía, el medio ambiente y el agua potable.
Además de dichas inversiones a largo plazo, que en gran medida se despliegan fuera de la capital, Puerto Príncipe, el BID respalda los esfuerzos del gobierno haitiano para aliviar las penurias causadas por las alzas de precios del petróleo y los alimentos.
En mayo el BID actuó con celeridad para desembolsar 27 millones de dólares para el gobierno haitiano, que acababa de anunciar medidas de emergencia para contener los precios de productos básicos como el arroz, crear empleos mediante programas de obras públicas y estimular la producción rural.
La mayoría de las operaciones del BID, sin embargo, se concentran en tres objetivos estratégicos de Haití: sentar bases sólidas para el crecimiento económico, mejorar el acceso a servicios básicos y fortalecer el sector público.
Con 698 millones de dólares en préstamos blandos y donaciones, la cartera del BID en Haití incluye operaciones para reconstruir caminos y carreteras, expandir la cobertura de electricidad y agua potable, intensificar la producción agraria, mejorar el acceso a la educación, la salud y la capacitación laboral, y aumentar la recaudación fortaleciendo las aduanas y la dirección impositiva.
Para apalancar esos recursos, el BID busca acuerdos con otras instituciones y gobiernos donantes que pueden aportar fondos para proyectos en Haití. A la fecha el BID ha conseguido sumar más de 100 millones de dólares en donaciones de Canadá, 22,6 millones de dólares de la OPEP y 6,7 millones de dólares de la Unión Europea.
Proyectos de agua
El gobierno haitiano se ha fijado grandes metas en agua y saneamiento, entre ellas ampliar la cobertura de los servicios de agua potable a 70% de la población para el 2010, frente a casi la mitad de la población en la actualidad. Como la principal fuente de financiamiento para proyectos de agua en Haití, el BID ha concentrado sus actividades en la promoción de reformas institucionales y la expansión de servicios en ciudades secundarias y comunidades rurales. Asimismo financia estudios sobre los servicios en la región metropolitana de Puerto Príncipe.