Written by: ElProfe, 9 Oct 2009 8:31 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
GOOD WORK JIMMY a true Ambassador
Written by: Micaela, 9 Oct 2009 8:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic
No way to halt Haitian immigration across the border? Doesn't he now it was done effectively in 1937?
From: United States
the only island where malaria and elephantiasis still exist. but, we have a METRO, so we must be the most advanced country in this region. right Ricardoliza ?
From: United States
He is absolutely right. This is the 21st century.
Is there one object thinking Dominican in this country?
Written by: Belly, 9 Oct 2009 10:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
HAHAHA Mr. Carter after probably being the worse president in USA history you come to DR to tell us we can't do something that has been done many times in the past HAHAHA. Mr. Carter at least have some guts to stop embarrasing your self and the image of USA around the world. Well save your time and your "smart" counseling because polititians in DR invented the LALALALA game and you won't be the last to play it. HAHAHA If you need to fix problems like malaria that's fine but immigration problems is beyond outsider's concern and should be let alone for the locals.
From: United States
Reality is the DR will to use all their GDP to fight this issue and still never succeed. Reality is people have been moving across that border since the days of the native Indians of that island. The DR for its own interests cannot spend on this issue because it has other priorities but if you look closely though those who cross over have been traditionally Haitians who have ties in the DR from the beginning of time. They cross because they work in the farms or the bateys and have family living illegal over there for a millenia.
The reality is legalization of these people over time will cut back on these illegal crossings. It is an ugly reality many do not want to hear but putting army brigades on a lucid border will never solve.
From: United States
Belly, did you eat something for breakfast that did not agree with you? Carter the worst president? can you tell us what he did to achieve that assessment? forget what Rush and Hannity, and anthonyc say. give me YOUR version. please.
Written by: Escott, 9 Oct 2009 1:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a few days a month
Lets see, let me throw some reasoning your way Dreadlocks as you probably weren't born when your boy Jimmy was the president.
First we had 20% mortgages for the first and only time in history. The economy took the biggest crap under his reign but quickly recovered after he left office. He was an apologist for everything. Iran took many Americans hostage from our Embassy and kept them for years, not days, weeks or months but YEARS. His only attempt to free his citizens was to crash a few helicopters in the desert.
They were released the week before Reagan was sworn into office. The Iranians knew that Reagan wasn't going to stand for what Jimmy allowed for YEARS.
Now Jimmy has done some good things after leaving office like helping poor people with Habitats for Humanty. He has also proved to be the biggest embarrassment by meeting with the Dictator of Syria amoung others when the policy of the president didn't want to talk with people exporting and supporting terrorists
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 1:17 PM
From: United States
Time for a littlke no revisionist historical review:
Under Jimmy Cater:
The Iranian hostage crisis was a diplomatic crisis between Iran and the United States where 53 Americans were held hostage for 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981, after a group of Islamist students and militants took over the American embassy in support of the Iranian Revolution.[2]
The episode reached a climax when, after failed attempts to negotiate a release, the United States military attempted a rescue operation, Operation Eagle Claw, on April 24, 1980, which resulted in a failed mission, the crash of two aircraft and the deaths of eight American servicemen and one Iranian civilian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisisUnder Ronald Regan:
Continued:
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 1:18 PM
From: United States
In the Beirut barracks bombing (October 23, 1983 in Beirut, Lebanon) during the Lebanese Civil War, two truck bombs struck separate buildings housing United States and French military forces—members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon—killing 299 servicemen, including 220 U.S. Marines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombingNow let me see 8 American servicemen die under Jimmy Cater trying to rescue American Hosatges.
220 American servicemen die under Ronald Regan as sitting ducks.
Now who was more efective ?
From: United States
Josean, you should wait a few years until Escott reaches the 9th grade before you feed him all this info. his limited brain cannot accept anything more complex than sesame street at this juncture. he offers this tidbit, to underscore his ignorance and lack of understanding of things
First we had 20% mortgages for the first and only time in history.
interest rates have nothing to do with the President, nor the White House. they are set by the Federal Reserve Bank, which is a PRIVATE institution. so, to blame Carter for mortgage rates shows the extent of your ignorance, which was already known, anyway.
From: United States, The Lake of Fire
we will see how much of a backbone that leonel has in these upcoming months. this jimmy carter all of a sudden coming out of the woodwork and trying to put in his two cents where they do not belong. that is so typical of american politics though. we all know that america could never mind its own buisness if they tried. who got this baboso doing all of their dirty work that is jimmy carter?
From: United States
actually, Mirabueno, that is how politics works in a real, adult world. when you are dependent upon a country for all kinds of aid and loans, and expertise, and protection, their citizens, in particular the influential ones, usually make "suggestions" which you might not like. you, as a counterpart adult, have two choices. you can either tell them to bugger off permanently, and go it alone, or you can listen to them, and see how best you can accomodate some of what they require. but you cannot expect that every time there is a natural disaster here they are going to send in their navy boys to fly helicopters to rescue people and distribute aid, then you tell them to kiss your butt. that is not good form.
From: United States, New York City
" Former United States president Jimmy Carter yesterday said there’s no way Dominican Republic can halt Haitian immigration across its border"
Pardon my French but that's BULLSHIT. If there was a real desire on behalf of the Dominican authorities to seal the border then that's exactly what the border would be, sealed. Under Balaguer the Dominican military succesfully sealed off the border during the unrest that followed Aristedes' initial ouster. It can be done because it HAS been done. Don't feeed me the line.
From: United States, New York City
" Former United States president Jimmy Carter yesterday said there’s no way Dominican Republic can halt Haitian immigration across its border"
And BTW that's practically code to the Dominican state to give up on its desire to maintain borders and a national identity.
Written by: anthonyC, 9 Oct 2009 5:27 PM
From: United States
Lets see,.
Jimmy Carter: US sovereign territory invaded(Iran). US officials Held hostage(Iran), Gave away US territory(Panama Canal), Abandoned Allies(Iran and Nicaragua). Allowed Islamo-Fascists to take over Iran. Communist in Nicargua. Record interest rates. Record Inflation.
Presided over the only economic period in US history that coined it's own term...STAGFLATION.
Lowest Military moral in the history of the U.S. Armed Forces.
Feared for his safety when attacked by a swimming rabbit.
Written by: anthonyC, 9 Oct 2009 5:28 PM
From: United States
Josie talking history.....big mistake.
"Now who was more efective ?" So under your logic Lincoln was the worst President in US history.
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 5:43 PM
From: United States
Now for the non-anal truth about the Panama Canal!
Hay–Bunau Varilla Treaty
The Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty was signed on November 18, 1903 (two weeks after Panama's independence from Colombia). Phillipe Bunau-Varilla went to Washington, D.C. and New York City to negotiate the terms with several U.S. officials, most prominently, Secretary of State John Hay. The two men negotiated the terms of sale for the building of a Panama Canal and for a Panama Canal Zone surrounding the canal. No Panamanians signed the treaty although Bunau-Varilla was present as the diplomatic representative of Panama (a role he had purchased through financial assistance to the rebels), despite the fact he had not lived in Panama for seventeen years before the incident, and he never returned.[1]
continued:
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 5:44 PM
From: United States
Bunau Varilla was a Frenchman originally involved in the building of the Panama Canal under the same man that built the Suez Canal, Ferdinand de Lesseps. After the collapse of the de Lesseps efforts to build the Panama Canal, Bunau Varilla became an important shareholder of the Compagnie Nouvelle du Canal de Panama, which still had the concession, as well as certain valuable assets, for the building of a canal in Panama. As part of the Hay-Bunau Varilla negotiations, the U.S. bought the shares and assets of the Compagnie Nouvelle du Canal de Panama for US$40 million.
Panama later agreed to the terms including: the United States was to receive rights to a canal zone which was to extend six miles on either side of the canal route in perpetuity; Panama was to receive a payment from US up to $10 million and an annual rental payments of $250,000.
continued:
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 5:46 PM
From: United States
This treaty was a source of conflict between Panama and the United States since its creation, that reached its peak on the January 9, 1964 riots over sovereignty of the Panama Canal Zone. The riot started after a Panamanian flag was torn during conflict between Panamanian students and Canal Zone Police officers, over the right of the Panamanian flag to be flown alongside the U.S. flag. U.S. Army units became involved in suppressing the violence after the Canal Zone Police were overwhelmed. After three days of fighting, about 22 Panamanians and four U.S. soldiers were killed. This day is known in Panama as Martyrs' Day.
The events of Martyrs' Day are considered to be a significant factor in the U.S. decision to negotiate the 1977 Torrijos-Carter Treaties, which finally abolished the Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty and allowed the gradual transfer of control of the Canal Zone to Panama and the handover of the full control of the Panama Canal on December 31, 1999.
http://en.wikipedia.orgWritten by: danny00, 9 Oct 2009 5:50 PM
From: United States
hey! BELLY... the worst pres. ever.. REALLY all the americian pres are the WORST TO U...
HEY! u better take a good LOOK at the guys u put in the BIG OFFICE... HOW THATS REALLY ONE JOKE.... REMEMBER HIPPO? LOL
GIVE ME A BREAK AND GO DRINK ONE OR TWO BEERS.
I WISH THE UNITED STATES WOULD STOP GIVING THE DR MONEY FOR ANY CAUSE.... U KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THESES FUNDS DONT U?
Written by: anthonyC, 9 Oct 2009 6:00 PM
From: United States
WOW!!!
Josie knows how to cut and paste from Wikipedia!!!!!!!!! Gotta luv that pubik skool eddukshun.
Written by: Belly, 9 Oct 2009 6:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
Dreadlock
Belly, did you eat something for breakfast that did not agree with you? Carter the worst president? can you tell us what he did to achieve that assessment? forget what Rush and Hannity, and anthonyc say. give me YOUR version. please.
Here it is:
U.S. nations largest expense is the military. Carter cut it in half..... He still manged to drive US into the red. Carter rode the economy into the dirt. Highest unemployment since the depression.
Carter made give away deals. 50% of Alaska's oil to this day goes to japan.
Carter bowed low to the USSR and it cost USA big later.
Salt II agreements? Fulfilled the USSR's wish list and gave US nothing.
Welfare was at an all time high , Interest rates all time high.....
The list goes on.
NOW WOULD YOU PROVIDE SOME FACTS AND THE REASON TO YOUR QUESTIONING?
From: United States
let me deal with the sub illiterate , anthonyc, first. he states that the Carter era coined its own word, STAGFLATION. well, the word was coined by the economist Samuelson, in 1974. Jimmy Carter became president in 1977. secondly, he claims Carter "gave away" the Panama Canal. it was not his to "give away", it belonged to, and still belongs to, Panama.
simply put
Carter didn't give up the Panama Canal. The canal was leased for a specific number of years as part of the agreement to build it. The Panamanian government decided not to renew the lease and took control of the canal.
Carter was simply an honorable man, and honored an agreement. anthonyc's fellow traveller republicans would have reneged on the deal and bombed the country. as to Belly and his assessment of Carter's economy. ever heard of the Arab Oil Crisis? do you think it was Carter who raised oil prices, sending the american economy into a circumstantial tailspin? and, as i said before, but you were not paying
From: United States
attention; the US government has nothing whatsoever to do with interest rates. they are set by the Federal Reserve Bank, which is a PRIVATE ENTITY, that answers to nobody but its management.
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 6:17 PM
From: United States
Written by: anthonyC, 9 Oct 2009 6:00 PM
From: United States
WOW!!!
Josie knows how to cut and paste from Wikipedia!!!!!!!!! Gotta luv that pubik skool eddukshun.
I hoped you learned something!
All sources are accepted except rectal ones!
From: United States
ignore anthonyc, a clueless guy. he posts a bunch of nonsense , hoping nobody will challenge him. that is because he is a guy whose circles are populated by know nothings who are even denser than him, and cannot challenge him. it is good to be the guy with a kindergarten education when all your friends have never seen the inside of a school.
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 6:28 PM
From: United States
"it is good to be the guy with a kindergarten education when all your friends have never seen the inside of a school."
Priceless dread!
Written by: anthonyC, 9 Oct 2009 7:32 PM
From: United States
WooooHoooooo.
Sorry dready not going to join you and joise in the collective circle jerk. I am having too much fun. I have to give thanks to Obama for one thing. Gold closed at over $1049! Made more money while hanging out at the paddock at the races in Homestead. Gold is going up like it did when Carter was Pres......coincidence????? Only people like you wouldn't think so.
From: United States
you can thank Bush for that.
Written by: Belly, 9 Oct 2009 9:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
dread
you still saying the same thing but fail to provide facts about his achievement as a president. So i still believe he is the worst president right next to the Bushes. I know you keep mentioning the federal reserve as a private entity but i have never said they have anything to do with carter's failure as a president. Just because he honored a agreement doesn't justify he failures in all other aspects on his presidency like i said before i want to see proven facts about what he did that moved the country in a better direction in short or long term. Please provide proof and facts.
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 9:37 PM
From: United States
Belly,
He negotiated a peace that has lasted to this day between Israel and Egypt!
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 9:46 PM
From: United States
error
Written by: dagtan, 9 Oct 2009 11:32 PM
From: United States
MICAELA, you are either crazy or stupid. How can you even bring that up. Don't you know that is one of the lowest point in the history of our country. Man, how low are you willing to go due to your hatred of Haitian. That was genocide, MICAELA, do you understand, you are truly a lost case.
From: United States, San Diego, CA - (Dei sitio)
Hey, will you support bilingual education in Dominican Republic: French / Spanish? Or you are so optimist to believe that our malnourished kids will be able to cope with three languages, if we decided to keep English as well?
How would you feel coming back to your neighborhood in Santiago and not be able to understand a bip of what is being spoken?...This is not too far from happening. Are you ready for this Shakespeare fans?
By the way how many of you already speak French or Creole?
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 12:24 AM
From: United States
perlurdom, as a school administrator in NY and often recruiter of future teachers in the DR and PR to come and teach ESL/Bilingual education the NY I see your point. But I will take it one bit further, there will be a day when the U.S. who grants the largest number of visas to the DR per year, will require all school age migrants to be bilingual Spanish/English and prove the ability to perform in american schools. This experiment has been put to the test by both the Indians and chinese and is bearing heck of a lot fruit. You, learning gap does not exist between Asian and White students, while when it comes to hispanic the gap is sometimes depending on area as large as 60%. I personally think that it will be cool and highly progressive of the DR to become worried about their mediocre education system, which BTW is only doing better than Haiti's. What you are saying will never happen, since the DR system does not have the resources or skills to achieve a tri-lingual education
Written by: anthonyC, 10 Oct 2009 1:02 AM
From: United States
Josie the historical wiki readers states; "He negotiated a peace that has lasted to this day between Israel and Egypt! "
Of course he is wrong. The US pays both countries huge sums of money to keep from fight each other. As soon as we cut off the $$$ the Sinai lights up.
Don't believe me? Ask Wikipedia(Your ultimate source) who are the top 2 recipients of US aid since the 70's.
Oh and if Carter negotiated peace how come he didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize but Begin and Sadat did?
Josie. At least Dready comes up with a decent arguement from time to time. You are in way over your head. Give up and go cash your welfare check.
From: United States, San Diego, CA - (Dei sitio)
Dagtan,
At least decent % of our kids are already learning English; my question: when Americans will start learning Spanish?, it seems that only California is really taking the Two-way education seriously, probably because, gringos here have realized that it will be very difficult, almost impossible to close that gap with hispanics, especilly with countries like Mexico, Colombia, etc... Just think about it, the US has not been able to change Puerto Rico after a century of colonialism, as of today, Puerto Rico is 98% spanish speaking, remember that Pto Rico is one of the smallest Latin-American states in terms of territory and population. I personally believe that US has to start taking seriously about Spanish/English education, especially now that empire's golden days are history.
From: United States, San Diego, CA - (Dei sitio)
I have my both kids enrolled in the TWI program that is offered state-wide, I don't see how a monolingual (English speaking) kid will be able to get a decent job 20 years from now, at leat in the southwest. That's exactly what will happen 25 - 50 years from now in the DR if we do not act now. We either have to control immigration coming from Haiti or prepare our kids to be able to compete with bilingual haitians...food for thought.
Written by: pelaut, 10 Oct 2009 8:21 AM
From: United States
Tell Jemma that I caught Elepantisis in Puerto Rico -- American territory -- and in a hospital!
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 9:02 AM
From: United States
perlurdom, you are completely right. The caucasian americans have not yet realize that the fastest developing economies are in south america and in order for them to compete they are going to have to become bi-lingual or tri=lingual, counting portuguese, since brazil is already a mini powerhouse. Yes, I totally agree with your notion that your kids and mine will be better prepared than a monolingual person. My daughter started school at he age of three in dual-language school, where you have both americans and hispanic children learning in both languages everyday. California is lights years ahead of the rest of the union when it comes to bilingualism, you guys are really doing great things out there. BTW, my dream is to get one of the 21st century schools in San Diego, I will move in a second. Finally, you are also right that Dominicans will be put on the spot, just as the caucasian have been put on the pot here with spanish. Dominicans will not able to compete with
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 9:05 AM
From: United States
bi-lingual or even tri-lingual haitians. Some of these haitian students who have been able to attend the university in DR leave those schools speaking french, spanish and english, that is a tall order for native monolingual dominicans. Also, perlurdom, where are those high % of dominicans who are learning english, because by GOD we need some relief here in NYC schools. In the many years that i have been education, i have not come across a child from DR that is fluent and just migrating. Maybe in the future who knows.
From: United States, San Diego, CA - (Dei sitio)
Dagtan,
Only in Chula Vista, CA that is located 8 miles north of the border and 10 miles south of downtown San Diego, there are 10 schools that have adopted TWI program; I live in a community located 12 miles east of downtown, where demographics breakdown is only 10% hispanic and 83% caucasian, we have a three lingual education school, targeting Spanish 100% in KG, 90/10 in 1st grade; 80/15 Spanish/English and 5% Mandarin in 2nd grade; 70/20/10 in 3rd grade...and so forth. Which I believe is great.
When I stated a decent % of our kids, I counted the diaspora, with approx. 360K kids that are bilingual, and 380K in the country if you consider that 12% of the population have access to enroll their kids in a bilingual private schools, which I think is a good estimate.
From: United States, San Diego, CA - (Dei sitio)
But I am more concerned that we are falling behind with French education, I think it would be a good idea to develop a program supported by Canada and France to help us develop and deploy a model program in specific parts of the country. Since it's more than obvious that we are not going to control our border, our monolinguial population will be strongly challenged once haitian communities are legally set and get organized.
Written by: josean, 10 Oct 2009 5:22 PM
From: United States
Does anybody know of a very, very, very, very basic remedial ed program for our NASCAR Cubanito from the sunshine state ac!
From: United States
yes, Josean. it is called "the alphabet".
Written by: josean, 10 Oct 2009 5:35 PM
From: United States
derad,
What happened to Goulet version 3.0 is he being held in Gunatnamo for water boarding?
From: United States
check his name on the boards. look for the yellow triangle. maybe.
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 7:41 PM
From: United States
perlurdom, how glad I am that there is still a good bunch of us sane people out there. Your info is amazing and the methods are really perfected in your district. it seems to me that you do not have a bunch of neocons in your community and that caucasian are very progressive to be part of such revolutionary program. i have been lucky as well. However, the program my attends goes from k-8 50/50 model with spanish - morning and english - afternoon. The problem is that there is a set of people here that do not have the necessary education to understand that the haitian problem will not go away if there are system put in place to deal with illegal immigration. If they are going to deport them do it in humane way and establish a migratory system to deal with the legalization of those that have family or deserve documents. But to deal with the problem in blanket type system is both inhuman and barbaric. perlurdom, are you in the education system in Cali? you have good knowledge,
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 7:46 PM
From: United States
about your schools and district. if not then you are a very informed parent. As to the offspring of the diaspora, you are talking about 1st generation, 2nd generation or 3rd generation, even though the dominican 3rd generation might not be of school yet, at least in high numbers. one piece of information and please search it and if you do not find the info, let me know. Historically, the dominican 2nd generation has done worst than the first generation and if we follow those numbers, then the 3rd will do worst. This is the identity crisis effect, hence the learning gap. We need to do something about it and fast.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 9:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic
So Mr. Dagtan as that is one of the lower points of our history, we should never mentioned, but act as it never happened. This apply to everybody or only Dominicans? Let's see, if the world erases from the history books the inquisition, the American Indians genocide, the Holocaust, the African famines, Kosovo, and other low periods, then nobody would talk about or remember them and soon would be as it those things never happened. If Jewish stop talking about the Holocaust, soon enough Almadenijab can convince the world that it really never happened, so he can do it all over again. Brilliant!
I thought that everybody knew that people should known and own their darkest periods, because if you don't know your history, you are bound to repeat it, specially the worst mistakes. But you are so brilliant that I am sure you are the only one right.
And thank you for finally showing your true colors: insulting and belittling whoever don't agree with your brilliant opinions.
Written by: josean, 11 Oct 2009 10:15 AM
From: United States
Micaela,
You like all right wing nuts blinded by xenophobia and racism choose to deliberately distort reality and other people statements to justify your twisted arguments and world view.
Mr. Dagtan was not implying to sweep our atrocities against the Haitian people under the rug but rather he was chastising you for suggesting as to the possibly of repeating them to address the crisis!
Even a dummy like me understood it, so your eminence must have copied as well!
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 10:19 AM
From: United States
Micaela, I do not believe that t=you are still trying to convince the people on this forum otherwise, that you celebrated Trujillo's actions against Haitians. I quote you " Haitian migration has been stopped in the past by TRUJILLO IN 1937" What do you mean by that, does that mean tat support such method os stopping migration? Let see you answers, oh I know you are going to walk around and take responsibility for your words. You clearly celebrated his actions as a successful way of stopping migration. So should the Germans celebrate Hitler's actions for returning their businesses to their hands by the killing of jews, should the Hutu in Rwanda celebrate their leaders fro killing the tutsies, and returning those areas, should israelis celebrate their leaders for taking the land away from the palestenian, should the people of turkey celebrate their leaders for killing huge amounts of armenians to stop their migration and many more Micaela, evil is not celebrated, period.
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 10:30 AM
From: United States
Josean, thank you. I know that some time I give people more credit than what deserve. But if someone has th guts to get on the forum and make statements, I am assuming that they have the education to back it up with knowledge. Some of the xenophobs here say that I come here and post these elaborate and pretty post trying to destroy other people's arguments. All I have to say is that I am by no means eloquent, my posts are generated by knowledge and knowledge alone. MICAELA, JR, MIRABUENO, OLD-SCHOOL-TRINITARIOS could use some more schooling to refine their positions and maybe, just maybe they'll be able to across without showing their limited knowledge about DR. If you notice, their post often does not contain any original or cognitively rich material, it is often repeated from conservative news casters in the DR. Guys there is sat tv, so we have access to the same news, also, there is the web, so we have access to the newspapers as you do. Plagiarism is illegal.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 12:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Just show me where I celebrated Trujillo's actions against Haitians, where I supported them. "Haitian migration has been stopped in the past by TRUJILLO IN 1937" it is a true statement, with nor even a comment attached to it, but after giving a convenient meaning to it, now you asked what I mean, and of course answer it yourself.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 12:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sorry Dagtan, we don't have the knowledge; neither can go back to our crowded schools to get them. Contrary to you, that listen to the casters and news of your choosing, we can only walk our streets, see what is happening with our schools, hospitals, public transportation and services today, now. See that for every 'xenophobic, racist' event, there are thousand of good deeds, otherwise millions of Haitians would not be able to walk ours streets, work and live in so a carefree manner.
We are the ones here carrying the burden, you are safe, well feed, shelter, protected, have a decent, well paid job and not Haitian is threaten it, by offering to do your work for less than half the price, leaving you jobless and your family in peril. But it is clearly that you, form afar, know better.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 12:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sorry Joseanito, I completely agree with the 'dummy like you' part, but until Dagtan designates you as his spokesman, I can answer you.
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 7:30 PM
From: United States
Micaela, the only thing I have to say to you is that I am glad that you are walking back on your comment on how immigration has been stopped in the past. One thing is, that immigration should never be stopped by bloodshed and genocide, those days are over and if anyone else try to do that, then it is well deserving if the international community goes after them. On your comment about being comfortable and not have your life style threatened by immigrants, There is one solution for this Micaela, go to the university, get an education and get a job that will not be threatened by a low educated and low skilled migration. I am not afraid of more Dominicans coming to the U.S. since they post no threat to me whatsoever, since I have my education and good job, that it will take life time to many of those coming to become threatening. The preparation begins early, that is why we are already tracking our daughter toward bio-chemistry engineering. These education will not be threatened,
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 7:33 PM
From: United States
immigrants or globalization. If you feel threatened by the uncivilized, uncultured, uneducated, witch crafting, tree cutter, stinky, child seller and border crossers, then I feel like you do not have a decent education that can only get you a job in the zona franca or the local super market.
From: United States
jeezus, Dagtan. go easy on Micaela. i do not want to see you charged for homicide by verbalising!
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 7:48 PM
From: United States
LOL, dread, nice to see again.
Written by: josean, 11 Oct 2009 7:53 PM
From: United States
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 12:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sorry Joseanito, I completely agree with the 'dummy like you' part, but until Dagtan designates you as his spokesman, I can answer you.
See the difference between you and I is that I know I am dummy!
PS
I think you meant to say can't answer you!
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 9:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan I am sorry that you are glad for nothing. I am not going back in anything. I still say it "Haitian migration has been stopped in the past by TRUJILLO IN 1937" it is a true statement and is how immigration was stopped in the past. Once again you have difficulties understanding what you read, I didn't say I was not comfortable or that my life style was threatened by immigrants, besides, if you are not fortune reader, how do you know if I went to college or what is my socio-economical situation. Not, you don't know, because I didn't tell you. You are listening to your own inner voice, and answering it. But just for your information, I don't need to leave the country to have what you have and better in USA. And I wish it were me the one threatened by the uncivilized, uncultured, uneducated, witch crafting, tree cutter, stinky, child seller and border crossers, plus hungry, mostly sick, unskilled invaders, sadly is my whole country.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 9:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
were you already designated as spokesman? No right? That is all.
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 12:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan,el burro hablando de orejas!!
Micaela ,no le hagas caso a este ignorante que piensa que la Republica Dominicana fue fundada por Jesuitas!!
El tipejo este esta mas perdido que los Judíos en el desierto y solo responde en defensa de su novio Haitiano...
Sobre educación es obvio que este carece de educación ya que escribe mucho sin saber de que escribe ,tampoco puede decir el porque nosotros tenemos que aguantar una inmigración masiva de hordas atrasadas que solo van a empeorar nuestra Patria para que imbeciles como el se
puedan sentir bien!
En fin ,argumentar con gente sin argumentos es como batir molinos ya que estos desconocen la historia entre ambas naciones y la realidad actual en RD porque ellos están infectados con el virus del afronazismo que poco a poco carcome el cerebro humano y los deje solo repitiendo lo mismo como ovejas sin poder ofrecer lo mas mínimo de argumentos.
En fin dan lastima pero no podemos perder tiempo con traidores sino que debemos conce
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 12:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
concentrarnos con nuestros políticos que son los traidores mayores que permiten esto y eso solo se consigue dando votos a partidos nacionalistas para que los demás se den cuenta que es en serio la cosa!
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
PD
No se como Jimmy Carter no se esconde después de ser uno de los fracasos mas grandes de la historia!!
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 2:39 PM
From: United States
Pepe32, do you know what wild animals do when they are wounded? THEY BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVE. I can see it in you Pepe32, you my friend are wounded, since you can no longer voice your baseless argument.
NOW PEPE32, THE ONLY THING YOU GOT LEFT IS TO SAY THAT I AM EITHER ANIT-DOMINICAN OR HAITIAN. LOL, feel for you, you are bleeding, get off the forum now, since you have nothing important to contribute.
Written by: cejay, 12 Oct 2009 3:22 PM
From: United States, Miami, Florida
#1 Jimmy Carter needs to stay out of Dominican problems and #2 line military up with AK-47's and you will control the border!
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan,the one without arguments is you ,at least not valid arguments and if I get upset about this is because unlike you I actually care more about DR than I do about Haiti.
Like I said you say alot but have no substance and cannot counter any arguments with FACT (I know that's a 4 letter word to you) for Pete's sake you are stupid enough to think that DR was founded by JESUITS which shows me you know nothing about DR or our history .
By the way I don't think you are Haitian ,that was Rubirosa...I think you are much worse because you are the lowest of the low . "un Vendepatria" and our founding fathers would have taken you to the town square and had you shot because with people like you we would now be speaking creole gibberish,eating mud cakes and be practicing demon worship ,we would also be the most backwards country in the hemisphere.
You and people like you disgust me because one who betrays his own people is the worst type of vermin one can find.
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 3:57 PM
From: United States
pepe32, follow my advise and you will be spare of more embarassment. I know do you not sleep thinking that the great dagtan might it have missed something and want to capitalize on it. It only show me the respect you have for my intellect. But by all means, if you think that by me giving credit to the jesuits for the founding our country is a GOTCHA moment, go ahead and celebrate. We were blessed to have both the jesuits and dominicans brave missionaries stay behind during the Haitian invasion of the country. Therefore, i gave credit to both as it should be done, i will not demonized them, just because they are right about the migratory issue in DR. They support comprehensive immigration reform, which I do as well.
Finally, what is interesting about people like you is, that you guy talk a lot of garbage and don't do anything about it. you here in the U.S. there is a saying for people like you, YOU TALK THE TALK AND DO NOT WALK THE WALK. ACT, ACTION IS THE ONLY WAY, stand u
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 3:59 PM
From: United States
stand up, to the LIE - ONEL government and the corporation and demand to them to implement a migratory plan to deal with the haitian influx immediately. DO THAT PEPE32, YOU ARE A CITIZEN WHO DESERVES TO BE HEARD, GO TO THE STREETS AND PROTEST AND DO NOT STOP UNTIL A SYSTEM AND ALL ILLEGAL HAITIANS HAVE BEEN DEPORTED. Go ahead, for the government and the industries of the host country to do, because at the end of the day it is the responsibility of the host country to stop this from happening.
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 4:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I don't blame the poor Haitians for crossing the border or for overburdening our already bad services because that is normal human nature and it is in THEIR best interests .I blame the Dominican Business elite and the ideologically motivated traitors for selling our country against the best interests of the nation and neither dagtan nor any of the other Haitian or Haitian lovers can argue why it is in DOMINICAN interests to absorb the hordes of Haitians already in our country and those poised to come in .
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 4:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
dagtan ,you think to much of yourself (perhaps Rubi is right and you are Haitian)
I spend maybe 5 minutes a day in one forum and you are but a flea (parasitic) in my worldview you on the other hand seem upset that you lack arguments (till now I have yet to hear one why we should allow the herds of haitians to come in as they please trampling our sovereignty because although the blame belongs to the Dominican business elite that doesn't make it GOOD for the Dominican Republic ,on the contrary they obviously don't care about DR much like you and other enablers who betray your country based on some idiotic and twisted ideological concepts and even worse a sick afronazi worldview .
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 4:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The Jesuits are communist scum and perhaps you sympathize with their worldview but their interests are not those of the Dominican Republic also it has nothing to do with "gotcha" moments it has to do with someone who obviously doesn't know anything about DOMINICAN history except what he gets from leftist or afronazi press sources .You are lost in the woods and like your little commie friend josean you would not be able to handle this debate in the Dominican language because you and everything you stand for is foreign US based leftist worldview and not Dominican at all,again traitorous scum!
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 4:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
One truth you spout is that Leonel is just one more vendepatria because he could with one executive order end this argument once and for all but he is beholden to both the Business elite and the left wing dinosaurs in his own party so I doubt he will do what is necessary to protect DR's best interests.
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 7:53 PM
From: United States
PEPE32, isn't it sad that you live there and i live here and yet I have the ability to influence what happens in the DR, something that you sadly who lives there seemed incapable of doing at this time. The Lie-onel government and the different institutions in the DR are forced to listen to us here in the U.S. and the educated Dominicans here in the U.S. are increasingly concerned with the reputation of the country in the international community.
We want a comprehensive system to be in place and for the government to deal with the issue in ways that it will not taint the country's reputation. Your group does not have something that the educated Dominicans here in the U.S. (at least for the ones i know and that share a common view) have which is the monetary resources and the connection with the educated class here in the U.S. who happens to be liberal for the most part.
Finally, did you enjoy calling anti-dominican and haitian? good, now go and become an activist, do something.
Written by: josean, 12 Oct 2009 8:06 PM
From: United States
"One truth you spout is that Leonel is just one more vendepatria because he could with one executive order end this argument once and for all but he is beholden to both the Business elite"
dagtan my hat is off to you sir, you are making progres with Cervantes!
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 3:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
dagtan my hat is off to you sir, you are making progres with Cervantes!
Por lo menos reconoce que esta ante su superior este josean .Lo que hace falta es que dagtan eduque al su simio josean para ver si se educa un poco porque este no tiene ni put.. idea de lo que habla y como le moleste que se escriba en ESPAÑOL que se xoda!
Al viejo inepto Carter que se vaya a freír tusas ya que este fue inepto como presidente y peor aun se ha vuelto un vocal de todos los peores enemigos de EEUU reuniéndose con los terroristas de Hamas y dando legitimidad a cerdos como Chavez.
Written by: dagtan, 14 Oct 2009 5:53 PM
From: United States
pepe32, not only are you ignorant, but elitist as well. Bad combo to have a successful and productive life.
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 6:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
! jajaja ,mira quien habla de elitismo ! el que anda hablando de su superioridad intelectual en este foro ahora se queja de elitismo!! y como se no fuese suficiente habla de ignorancia luego de abonar el foro con suficiente estiércol para toda la región Cibaeña .
Lo triste es que para su desfortuna mi vida es muy productiva y el éxito no me es ajeno aunque no tengo la fortuna de ser un maestro en el grandioso sistema escolar de la ciudad de NY ....
Cuando este aterrice de su nube y se de cuenta que aquí solo le hacen coro los imbéciles ,los comunistas y los Haitianos sabrá que entre Dominicanos esta mal ya que su preocupación es mas por los Haitianos que por los intereses Dominicanos y eso se llama traidor o vendepatria aquí y en la China!
En fin ya me esta cansando el juego con este tipo aparte que me causa asco cualquier persona que considere al asesino Che como un ejemplo a seguir sin importarle cuantas muertes causo para luego venir a hablar de DDHH y de compasión ,
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 6:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
por lo menos si hubiese mencionado una admiración por Gandhi eso del pacifismo y calidad humana se hubiese entendido pero es solo la patraña izquierdista y el sentimiento Afronazi que mueve estos seres a hablar de DDHH y humanidad a su conveniencia y a la vez apoyar asesinos como el Che ,Castro las FARC e incluso a Hamas y Ahmadinejad porque su enfoque no son los derechos humanos sino el odio hacia la cultura occidental y en especial hacia los EEUU aunque paradojicamente muchos de ellos viven en EEUU y muchos para colmo viven del dinero de todos los que aportamos a esta nación y ademas se educan en las universidades de esta nación para luego ser los que mas apoyan a los peores enemigos de EEUU ,por eso no sorprende que una persona malagradecida se ademas un traidor ya que la falta de carácter y seriedad y valores morales son iguales entre un malagradecido y un traidor .
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 6:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
En fin yo sigo defendiendo mi país y agradecido con el país que acogió mi familia cuando mi padre llegó en los años 50 y defenderé esos intereses contra quien sea y en cualquier foro de opinión y ningún maestrillo de barrio de mala muerte me callará porque esta en juego la Patria y si para mejorar a RD haya que sacar a cada uno de los Haitianos que así sea porque de ser lo inverso ellos se nos hubiesen montado hace rato pero estan callados por estar en una posición de debilidad en el momento.
Cada vez que ha tenido la oportunidad no han pensado dos veces en atacarnos y con dos millones de enemigos dentro tenemos una quinta columna muy grande que algún día se volteará contra nosotros y ahí solo valdrá lo que queda de la fuerza criolla para terminar de unas y por todas esta desgracia que tuvimos de tener a Haití como vecinos!
Written by: dagtan, 14 Oct 2009 6:55 PM
From: United States
pepe32, read, please learn how to read. I have great respect for teachers since it is one the greatest and most ethical professional among humans. However, as I had mentioned before, I am a high school principal, even though I love the classroom more than my office.
You mentioned before about me going to upper Westchester since the requirements are actually higher over there, this comment shows how ignorant you are.
White Plains High School was drooling over me two summers ago, since they will love having a minority lead their crown jewel, but I did not go because were I am know I get the reward of showing that minorities students are actually intelligent and have talents that can be developed if they are not marginalized by the mainstream culture.
I have a real connection to NYC and have always advocated for the children that come to the city, even if my assignment is no longer in the city, I will advocate for them and protect them.
I offer to you the same I did to JR,
Written by: dagtan, 14 Oct 2009 6:58 PM
From: United States
lets meet and I will pay for lunch. I will show you what is being done by those teachers who you say have lower requirements than those in WC. NYC teachers are able to educate students who are often marginalized and minoritized in your beloved upper WC, They are often packet in a classroom with teachers that have not received any cultural responsiveness training. You are so afraid of showing your minority heritage that you moved to WC, I decided to stay in the city and become a role model for those that look like me when I arrived here in the U.S. I do not have to move my family to an upper middle class white community to make sure that they successful.
I am not afraid of showing who I am, because I know who I am and what I do.
I already communicate with members here privately and they know who I am, I am not afraid, since I have nothing to hide. I do not make it a habit of hiding behind the keyboard.
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 9:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Tanto afán por presumir ,yo he tratado con directores de escuelas de la ciudad de NY y como todo puesto POLÍTICO no son necesariamente los mejores que entran pero en fin ni tu me conoces ni yo a ti solo se que presumes ser superior a los que piensan distinto y sin embargo te retuerces cuando se te aplica la misma medicina a pesar de que supuestamente algunos te conocen (obviamente los que concuerdan con tus tesis ideológicas) En fin cada cabeza es un mundo pero no vas a cambiar mentes con tu elitismo falso menospreciando a todo el que no concuerda porque cada momento que te equivoques mostraras tu falta de conocimiento sobre el tema .Si en realidad no te escondieses ( como todos aquí) pondrías tu nombre y apellido aunque no lo recomiendo porque la privacidad es muy importante así es que defiende tus ideas con PRUEBAS y con lógica y no tendrás tanta fricción pero como has demostrado un desconocimiento sobre muchos temas Dominicanos y tus ideas son las mismas que vierten los que han sido
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 9:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic
influenciados por el afrocentrismo y cuyas ideas no serán aceptadas por Dominicanos que conocen su historia.
Esa mismo afán de presumir SUPERIORIDAD INTELECTUAL que has mostrado con Micaela y con otros aunque te han dado buena replica es justo la muestra de debilidad porque el que no tiene presume y el que en realidad sabe lo muestra con hechos y pruebas contundentes y usted señor lo único que ha mostrado es prepotencia e ignorancia .
Lo cómico es que la izquierda hipócrita es la que mas se queja de " la interferencia yanqui" pero cuando es para apoyar una de sus metas lo aplauden y la interferencia del payaso Carter no es mas que eso porque es muy sencillo,si quieren ayudar a Haití que los ayuden de su lado pero que no se metan con nuestra soberanía o mejor aun que se lleven los dos millones de Haitianos que tenemos metidos de nuestro lado y se los lleven a EEUU, Canadá y Francia incluso que envíen algunos a tu casa y la de Josean para que vivan en carne propia lo que viven e
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 9:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
En fin ya son suficientes perlas malgastadas pero no esperes buen recibimiento en RD con unas tesis falsas y basadas en pajas mentales de profesores afrocentristas en EEUU porque en mi Patria la gente es mucho mas practica y aunque no sean tan ilustres como vuestra señoría entienden muy bien cuando se les esta "jodiendo" y la situación con los Haitianos esta llegando a un punto de explosión social ya que no será el gobierno débil que reaccione sino el pueblo llano que sabe que otros se benefician pero los que se están jodiendo son ellos y que de nada vale mejorar el país si al final se les va a regalar a los Haitianos para que estos lo caguen igual que cagan todo lo que tocan empezando con su propia nación.
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 9:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
en RD ,pero es fácil hablar de "humanismo" y ayudar al prójimo cuando el trabajo le toca a otros muy parecido a todos los que hablan de los "logros" de la revolución Cubana y despotrican los EEUU pero a Cuba no se van ni atados porque el hablar es fácil detrás de una computadora pero el que esta viviendo la situación en carne propia es muy distinto .
From: United States
Pepe, lo peor de todo es que estan usando a Santo Domingo como centro de education y luego bienen a los EEUU i reciben los trabajos que a los Dominicanos estudiados no les dan porque no probablemente no comparten lo que llamas Afrocentrismo.
From: United States
So que los paren a todo dar, conaso! Que nosotros no nacimos pa cemilla.
Written by: abc200, 24 Oct 2009 3:18 PM
From: United Kingdom
It never ceases to amaze me how ready some Dominicans are to let the likes of Carter make statements like this...........
Some Americans in 1940 said that there was no way to stop the Germans invading the UK.......
If some US politician came to Germany, Poland or the UK and made a statement like this I'm sure he would be shown the door pretty quickly.....
Kennedy - US ambassador to UK:
"He was pro I.R.A. and anti British, as all his family were. We in Britain are supposed to feel sorrow over his death, I don't think so!"
It's worth reminding people that the family patriarch, Joseph Kennedy, was unnaccountably named American ambassador to Britain in the late 1930's despite his Irish-American reflex hatred for all things British and his undisguised admiration for Hitler.
As American ambassador in London in 1940, Joseph Kennedy Snr. may be blamed for preventing lease-lend aid from America reaching Britain at a time of desperate need (it did not get fully underway till late 194
Written by: abc200, 24 Oct 2009 3:21 PM
From: United Kingdom
Kennedy's "intelligence reports" to the State Department and President Roosevelt were gleefully full of predictions about Britain being finished, about to surrender, about to collapse, in the face of mighty Germany.
This prevented the British from receiving any meaningful aid from America: as Kennedy's nonsense was taken at face value and nobody stopped to consider it might be coloured by anti-British prejudice, Britain was denied credit and had to pay the full market value for all war material obtained from the USA. This state was perpetuated until after the German invasion of Russia in June 1941, when sober military analysis came to the conclusion that Germany was not going to invade Britain (they had left just enough of a garrison in the West to keep the French under their thumb and deter opportunist British attacks).
Written by: abc200, 24 Oct 2009 3:24 PM
From: United Kingdom
The father's prejudices were certainly passed on to the sons.
Incidentally, I find it hard to understand the JFK myth, which appears to revolve around all the things he might have done had he not been assassinated. Wasn't he the American president who made the fateful decision to commit troops to Vietnam? This assasination appears to have given the rest of the family a massive "sympathy vote" which has served to deflect attention well away from their failings as human beings: something of JFK's posthumously awarded sainthood appears to have rubbed off on both his siblings!
Written by: abc200, 24 Oct 2009 3:28 PM
From: United Kingdom
Hardly surprising, as Pinochet was helped into power by the USA to overthrow a popularly elected government Washington didn't like, and the USA turned a blind eye to judicial torture, murder and political repression in that country, as it was being carried out by their chosen stooge...
Yet another double standard to think about there!
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090828103910AARrIggits about time to show Carter the door as he is part of a tradition of USA anti-democracy......
S.
Written by: kreyol, 27 Oct 2009 11:36 AM
From: United States
What about if DR and Haiti have an open border??
From: United States, New York City
"What about if DR and Haiti have an open border??"
What benefit(s) would that hold for the Dominican population?
Written by: kreyol, 28 Oct 2009 9:48 AM
From: United States
Ithink both countries will benefit from that. With proper regulations in place and both goverment understanding of course. Do you think that's possible. I know the Haitians will benefit more, but I believe life will be better and peaceful for both.
Written by: abc200, 28 Oct 2009 11:59 AM
From: United Kingdom
An open border between US and Haiti would be better. Mor African influence would undoubtedly improve americian society...
S.
Written by: Pepe32, 5 Nov 2009 7:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
An open border between US and Haiti would be better. Mor African influence would undoubtedly improve americian society...
S.
Sure,why not bring the Huns in...
The US will only decline quicker with more ignorance,crime and idiotic music (rap)
From: United States
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Is there one object thinking Dominican in this country?
The reality is legalization of these people over time will cut back on these illegal crossings. It is an ugly reality many do not want to hear but putting army brigades on a lucid border will never solve.
First we had 20% mortgages for the first and only time in history. The economy took the biggest crap under his reign but quickly recovered after he left office. He was an apologist for everything. Iran took many Americans hostage from our Embassy and kept them for years, not days, weeks or months but YEARS. His only attempt to free his citizens was to crash a few helicopters in the desert.
They were released the week before Reagan was sworn into office. The Iranians knew that Reagan wasn't going to stand for what Jimmy allowed for YEARS.
Now Jimmy has done some good things after leaving office like helping poor people with Habitats for Humanty. He has also proved to be the biggest embarrassment by meeting with the Dictator of Syria amoung others when the policy of the president didn't want to talk with people exporting and supporting terrorists
Under Jimmy Cater:
The Iranian hostage crisis was a diplomatic crisis between Iran and the United States where 53 Americans were held hostage for 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981, after a group of Islamist students and militants took over the American embassy in support of the Iranian Revolution.[2]
The episode reached a climax when, after failed attempts to negotiate a release, the United States military attempted a rescue operation, Operation Eagle Claw, on April 24, 1980, which resulted in a failed mission, the crash of two aircraft and the deaths of eight American servicemen and one Iranian civilian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
Under Ronald Regan:
Continued:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
Now let me see 8 American servicemen die under Jimmy Cater trying to rescue American Hosatges.
220 American servicemen die under Ronald Regan as sitting ducks.
Now who was more efective ?
First we had 20% mortgages for the first and only time in history.
interest rates have nothing to do with the President, nor the White House. they are set by the Federal Reserve Bank, which is a PRIVATE institution. so, to blame Carter for mortgage rates shows the extent of your ignorance, which was already known, anyway.
Pardon my French but that's BULLSHIT. If there was a real desire on behalf of the Dominican authorities to seal the border then that's exactly what the border would be, sealed. Under Balaguer the Dominican military succesfully sealed off the border during the unrest that followed Aristedes' initial ouster. It can be done because it HAS been done. Don't feeed me the line.
And BTW that's practically code to the Dominican state to give up on its desire to maintain borders and a national identity.
Jimmy Carter: US sovereign territory invaded(Iran). US officials Held hostage(Iran), Gave away US territory(Panama Canal), Abandoned Allies(Iran and Nicaragua). Allowed Islamo-Fascists to take over Iran. Communist in Nicargua. Record interest rates. Record Inflation.
Presided over the only economic period in US history that coined it's own term...STAGFLATION.
Lowest Military moral in the history of the U.S. Armed Forces.
Feared for his safety when attacked by a swimming rabbit.
"Now who was more efective ?" So under your logic Lincoln was the worst President in US history.
Hay–Bunau Varilla Treaty
The Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty was signed on November 18, 1903 (two weeks after Panama's independence from Colombia). Phillipe Bunau-Varilla went to Washington, D.C. and New York City to negotiate the terms with several U.S. officials, most prominently, Secretary of State John Hay. The two men negotiated the terms of sale for the building of a Panama Canal and for a Panama Canal Zone surrounding the canal. No Panamanians signed the treaty although Bunau-Varilla was present as the diplomatic representative of Panama (a role he had purchased through financial assistance to the rebels), despite the fact he had not lived in Panama for seventeen years before the incident, and he never returned.[1]
continued:
Panama later agreed to the terms including: the United States was to receive rights to a canal zone which was to extend six miles on either side of the canal route in perpetuity; Panama was to receive a payment from US up to $10 million and an annual rental payments of $250,000.
continued:
The events of Martyrs' Day are considered to be a significant factor in the U.S. decision to negotiate the 1977 Torrijos-Carter Treaties, which finally abolished the Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty and allowed the gradual transfer of control of the Canal Zone to Panama and the handover of the full control of the Panama Canal on December 31, 1999.
http://en.wikipedia.org
HEY! u better take a good LOOK at the guys u put in the BIG OFFICE... HOW THATS REALLY ONE JOKE.... REMEMBER HIPPO? LOL
GIVE ME A BREAK AND GO DRINK ONE OR TWO BEERS.
I WISH THE UNITED STATES WOULD STOP GIVING THE DR MONEY FOR ANY CAUSE.... U KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THESES FUNDS DONT U?
Josie knows how to cut and paste from Wikipedia!!!!!!!!! Gotta luv that pubik skool eddukshun.
Belly, did you eat something for breakfast that did not agree with you? Carter the worst president? can you tell us what he did to achieve that assessment? forget what Rush and Hannity, and anthonyc say. give me YOUR version. please.
Here it is:
U.S. nations largest expense is the military. Carter cut it in half..... He still manged to drive US into the red. Carter rode the economy into the dirt. Highest unemployment since the depression.
Carter made give away deals. 50% of Alaska's oil to this day goes to japan.
Carter bowed low to the USSR and it cost USA big later.
Salt II agreements? Fulfilled the USSR's wish list and gave US nothing.
Welfare was at an all time high , Interest rates all time high.....
The list goes on.
NOW WOULD YOU PROVIDE SOME FACTS AND THE REASON TO YOUR QUESTIONING?
simply put
Carter didn't give up the Panama Canal. The canal was leased for a specific number of years as part of the agreement to build it. The Panamanian government decided not to renew the lease and took control of the canal.
Carter was simply an honorable man, and honored an agreement. anthonyc's fellow traveller republicans would have reneged on the deal and bombed the country. as to Belly and his assessment of Carter's economy. ever heard of the Arab Oil Crisis? do you think it was Carter who raised oil prices, sending the american economy into a circumstantial tailspin? and, as i said before, but you were not paying
From: United States
WOW!!!
Josie knows how to cut and paste from Wikipedia!!!!!!!!! Gotta luv that pubik skool eddukshun.
I hoped you learned something!
All sources are accepted except rectal ones!
Priceless dread!
Sorry dready not going to join you and joise in the collective circle jerk. I am having too much fun. I have to give thanks to Obama for one thing. Gold closed at over $1049! Made more money while hanging out at the paddock at the races in Homestead. Gold is going up like it did when Carter was Pres......coincidence????? Only people like you wouldn't think so.
you still saying the same thing but fail to provide facts about his achievement as a president. So i still believe he is the worst president right next to the Bushes. I know you keep mentioning the federal reserve as a private entity but i have never said they have anything to do with carter's failure as a president. Just because he honored a agreement doesn't justify he failures in all other aspects on his presidency like i said before i want to see proven facts about what he did that moved the country in a better direction in short or long term. Please provide proof and facts.
He negotiated a peace that has lasted to this day between Israel and Egypt!
How would you feel coming back to your neighborhood in Santiago and not be able to understand a bip of what is being spoken?...This is not too far from happening. Are you ready for this Shakespeare fans?
By the way how many of you already speak French or Creole?
Of course he is wrong. The US pays both countries huge sums of money to keep from fight each other. As soon as we cut off the $$$ the Sinai lights up.
Don't believe me? Ask Wikipedia(Your ultimate source) who are the top 2 recipients of US aid since the 70's.
Oh and if Carter negotiated peace how come he didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize but Begin and Sadat did?
Josie. At least Dready comes up with a decent arguement from time to time. You are in way over your head. Give up and go cash your welfare check.
At least decent % of our kids are already learning English; my question: when Americans will start learning Spanish?, it seems that only California is really taking the Two-way education seriously, probably because, gringos here have realized that it will be very difficult, almost impossible to close that gap with hispanics, especilly with countries like Mexico, Colombia, etc... Just think about it, the US has not been able to change Puerto Rico after a century of colonialism, as of today, Puerto Rico is 98% spanish speaking, remember that Pto Rico is one of the smallest Latin-American states in terms of territory and population. I personally believe that US has to start taking seriously about Spanish/English education, especially now that empire's golden days are history.
Only in Chula Vista, CA that is located 8 miles north of the border and 10 miles south of downtown San Diego, there are 10 schools that have adopted TWI program; I live in a community located 12 miles east of downtown, where demographics breakdown is only 10% hispanic and 83% caucasian, we have a three lingual education school, targeting Spanish 100% in KG, 90/10 in 1st grade; 80/15 Spanish/English and 5% Mandarin in 2nd grade; 70/20/10 in 3rd grade...and so forth. Which I believe is great.
When I stated a decent % of our kids, I counted the diaspora, with approx. 360K kids that are bilingual, and 380K in the country if you consider that 12% of the population have access to enroll their kids in a bilingual private schools, which I think is a good estimate.
What happened to Goulet version 3.0 is he being held in Gunatnamo for water boarding?
I thought that everybody knew that people should known and own their darkest periods, because if you don't know your history, you are bound to repeat it, specially the worst mistakes. But you are so brilliant that I am sure you are the only one right.
And thank you for finally showing your true colors: insulting and belittling whoever don't agree with your brilliant opinions.
You like all right wing nuts blinded by xenophobia and racism choose to deliberately distort reality and other people statements to justify your twisted arguments and world view.
Mr. Dagtan was not implying to sweep our atrocities against the Haitian people under the rug but rather he was chastising you for suggesting as to the possibly of repeating them to address the crisis!
Even a dummy like me understood it, so your eminence must have copied as well!
We are the ones here carrying the burden, you are safe, well feed, shelter, protected, have a decent, well paid job and not Haitian is threaten it, by offering to do your work for less than half the price, leaving you jobless and your family in peril. But it is clearly that you, form afar, know better.
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Sorry Joseanito, I completely agree with the 'dummy like you' part, but until Dagtan designates you as his spokesman, I can answer you.
See the difference between you and I is that I know I am dummy!
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I think you meant to say can't answer you!
Micaela ,no le hagas caso a este ignorante que piensa que la Republica Dominicana fue fundada por Jesuitas!!
El tipejo este esta mas perdido que los Judíos en el desierto y solo responde en defensa de su novio Haitiano...
Sobre educación es obvio que este carece de educación ya que escribe mucho sin saber de que escribe ,tampoco puede decir el porque nosotros tenemos que aguantar una inmigración masiva de hordas atrasadas que solo van a empeorar nuestra Patria para que imbeciles como el se
puedan sentir bien!
En fin ,argumentar con gente sin argumentos es como batir molinos ya que estos desconocen la historia entre ambas naciones y la realidad actual en RD porque ellos están infectados con el virus del afronazismo que poco a poco carcome el cerebro humano y los deje solo repitiendo lo mismo como ovejas sin poder ofrecer lo mas mínimo de argumentos.
En fin dan lastima pero no podemos perder tiempo con traidores sino que debemos conce
No se como Jimmy Carter no se esconde después de ser uno de los fracasos mas grandes de la historia!!
NOW PEPE32, THE ONLY THING YOU GOT LEFT IS TO SAY THAT I AM EITHER ANIT-DOMINICAN OR HAITIAN. LOL, feel for you, you are bleeding, get off the forum now, since you have nothing important to contribute.
Like I said you say alot but have no substance and cannot counter any arguments with FACT (I know that's a 4 letter word to you) for Pete's sake you are stupid enough to think that DR was founded by JESUITS which shows me you know nothing about DR or our history .
By the way I don't think you are Haitian ,that was Rubirosa...I think you are much worse because you are the lowest of the low . "un Vendepatria" and our founding fathers would have taken you to the town square and had you shot because with people like you we would now be speaking creole gibberish,eating mud cakes and be practicing demon worship ,we would also be the most backwards country in the hemisphere.
You and people like you disgust me because one who betrays his own people is the worst type of vermin one can find.
Finally, what is interesting about people like you is, that you guy talk a lot of garbage and don't do anything about it. you here in the U.S. there is a saying for people like you, YOU TALK THE TALK AND DO NOT WALK THE WALK. ACT, ACTION IS THE ONLY WAY, stand u
I spend maybe 5 minutes a day in one forum and you are but a flea (parasitic) in my worldview you on the other hand seem upset that you lack arguments (till now I have yet to hear one why we should allow the herds of haitians to come in as they please trampling our sovereignty because although the blame belongs to the Dominican business elite that doesn't make it GOOD for the Dominican Republic ,on the contrary they obviously don't care about DR much like you and other enablers who betray your country based on some idiotic and twisted ideological concepts and even worse a sick afronazi worldview .
We want a comprehensive system to be in place and for the government to deal with the issue in ways that it will not taint the country's reputation. Your group does not have something that the educated Dominicans here in the U.S. (at least for the ones i know and that share a common view) have which is the monetary resources and the connection with the educated class here in the U.S. who happens to be liberal for the most part.
Finally, did you enjoy calling anti-dominican and haitian? good, now go and become an activist, do something.
dagtan my hat is off to you sir, you are making progres with Cervantes!
Por lo menos reconoce que esta ante su superior este josean .Lo que hace falta es que dagtan eduque al su simio josean para ver si se educa un poco porque este no tiene ni put.. idea de lo que habla y como le moleste que se escriba en ESPAÑOL que se xoda!
Al viejo inepto Carter que se vaya a freír tusas ya que este fue inepto como presidente y peor aun se ha vuelto un vocal de todos los peores enemigos de EEUU reuniéndose con los terroristas de Hamas y dando legitimidad a cerdos como Chavez.
Lo triste es que para su desfortuna mi vida es muy productiva y el éxito no me es ajeno aunque no tengo la fortuna de ser un maestro en el grandioso sistema escolar de la ciudad de NY ....
Cuando este aterrice de su nube y se de cuenta que aquí solo le hacen coro los imbéciles ,los comunistas y los Haitianos sabrá que entre Dominicanos esta mal ya que su preocupación es mas por los Haitianos que por los intereses Dominicanos y eso se llama traidor o vendepatria aquí y en la China!
En fin ya me esta cansando el juego con este tipo aparte que me causa asco cualquier persona que considere al asesino Che como un ejemplo a seguir sin importarle cuantas muertes causo para luego venir a hablar de DDHH y de compasión ,
Cada vez que ha tenido la oportunidad no han pensado dos veces en atacarnos y con dos millones de enemigos dentro tenemos una quinta columna muy grande que algún día se volteará contra nosotros y ahí solo valdrá lo que queda de la fuerza criolla para terminar de unas y por todas esta desgracia que tuvimos de tener a Haití como vecinos!
You mentioned before about me going to upper Westchester since the requirements are actually higher over there, this comment shows how ignorant you are.
White Plains High School was drooling over me two summers ago, since they will love having a minority lead their crown jewel, but I did not go because were I am know I get the reward of showing that minorities students are actually intelligent and have talents that can be developed if they are not marginalized by the mainstream culture.
I have a real connection to NYC and have always advocated for the children that come to the city, even if my assignment is no longer in the city, I will advocate for them and protect them.
I offer to you the same I did to JR,
I am not afraid of showing who I am, because I know who I am and what I do.
I already communicate with members here privately and they know who I am, I am not afraid, since I have nothing to hide. I do not make it a habit of hiding behind the keyboard.
Esa mismo afán de presumir SUPERIORIDAD INTELECTUAL que has mostrado con Micaela y con otros aunque te han dado buena replica es justo la muestra de debilidad porque el que no tiene presume y el que en realidad sabe lo muestra con hechos y pruebas contundentes y usted señor lo único que ha mostrado es prepotencia e ignorancia .
Lo cómico es que la izquierda hipócrita es la que mas se queja de " la interferencia yanqui" pero cuando es para apoyar una de sus metas lo aplauden y la interferencia del payaso Carter no es mas que eso porque es muy sencillo,si quieren ayudar a Haití que los ayuden de su lado pero que no se metan con nuestra soberanía o mejor aun que se lleven los dos millones de Haitianos que tenemos metidos de nuestro lado y se los lleven a EEUU, Canadá y Francia incluso que envíen algunos a tu casa y la de Josean para que vivan en carne propia lo que viven e
Some Americans in 1940 said that there was no way to stop the Germans invading the UK.......
If some US politician came to Germany, Poland or the UK and made a statement like this I'm sure he would be shown the door pretty quickly.....
Kennedy - US ambassador to UK:
"He was pro I.R.A. and anti British, as all his family were. We in Britain are supposed to feel sorrow over his death, I don't think so!"
It's worth reminding people that the family patriarch, Joseph Kennedy, was unnaccountably named American ambassador to Britain in the late 1930's despite his Irish-American reflex hatred for all things British and his undisguised admiration for Hitler.
As American ambassador in London in 1940, Joseph Kennedy Snr. may be blamed for preventing lease-lend aid from America reaching Britain at a time of desperate need (it did not get fully underway till late 194
This prevented the British from receiving any meaningful aid from America: as Kennedy's nonsense was taken at face value and nobody stopped to consider it might be coloured by anti-British prejudice, Britain was denied credit and had to pay the full market value for all war material obtained from the USA. This state was perpetuated until after the German invasion of Russia in June 1941, when sober military analysis came to the conclusion that Germany was not going to invade Britain (they had left just enough of a garrison in the West to keep the French under their thumb and deter opportunist British attacks).
Incidentally, I find it hard to understand the JFK myth, which appears to revolve around all the things he might have done had he not been assassinated. Wasn't he the American president who made the fateful decision to commit troops to Vietnam? This assasination appears to have given the rest of the family a massive "sympathy vote" which has served to deflect attention well away from their failings as human beings: something of JFK's posthumously awarded sainthood appears to have rubbed off on both his siblings!
Yet another double standard to think about there!
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090828103910AARrIgg
its about time to show Carter the door as he is part of a tradition of USA anti-democracy......
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What benefit(s) would that hold for the Dominican population?
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Sure,why not bring the Huns in...
The US will only decline quicker with more ignorance,crime and idiotic music (rap)