Who cares?

I care! She did greatly and it is a good thing that she got that far! Good for her and the DR!

What Duane probably meant was that beauty contests song contests and novellas along with professional wrestling are the lowest form of cultural expression....can you imagine the level of a mind that watches wrestling.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHwoJQ5fpU....#4 for this gag

Nutty hugo will be embarrassed into making a big deal about this....Fidelito will not be amused

Lets be real this event had Jerry Springer as the host is that class or what ?

Well-deserved for Miss Venezuela; she was definitely the most beautiful. Miss Dominican Republic did spectacularly well and reached 2nd finalist position. That is truly commendable. She was very pretty and I thought she did much better with the judge's questions than Miss Venezuela. Good for both of them.

Goulet colonial you are not Latin American. So you are not able to understand the beauty pageant mania of us Latinos. Just like baseball, they have become part of our culture. Besides, the dominican girls that are sent to these pageants are always university students, and very well educated. It is just a game, but isn't everything in life just a game? I could say the same about baseball, the olympics, football, basketball etc.

I am just pulling your leg ....this fell out of favor because of womens lib movement ....The feminazis do not like this stuff because they are all ugly....they say this stuff is misogynistic but I cant turn away

You are right. I understand many people's apathy of pageants. But beauty pageants cannot be thought away from entertainment business in Latin America. In fact, many actresses, tv personalities and tv hosts come from the pageant scene. To think of beauty pageants as any less than of for example a football match is a plainly sexist thing to say, and is measuring with doubble standards. These girls work very hard and it takes months and sometimes years of preparation in the gym etc to look as good as they do. So they deserve some respect and their efforts should be appreciated. Just as the efforts of men who excell in sports and other fields are appreciated. Besides, they are proudly representing their countries and they are mostly well educated and concerned with problems in society.

Buenoha the exact opposite is argued by the feminists...man dominated flesh peddling and the objectification of women ....The bathing suit contest is all we care about....and This used to be very popular in America but has slid to depths on the lower commercial scale

what! D.R lost i can't believe it@! we had the most beautiful women ever, and we still have her! but she lost :(

Its got nothing to do with beauty, its about which rich father can stick his stick in the limelight for a while.

Hmmmm...lets look at the final 5 contestants....Columbia, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Mexico and Russia.

What do they all have in common???? Yes...all attractive.

They are all countries heavily involved with the distribution of drugs. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the fact that 4 of the 5 were from drug based countries and the 5th from one of the home of one of the strongest mafias in the world....just makes you wonder!

no mike these are countries that beauty pageants sell big time so lets keep the market going ...most countries you cant give it away looking for sponsors....Drugs ? you are on the grassy knoll

3rd place out of 80? Not bad at all!!!

Just another observation...in regards to televised coverage on 44.

The advertising...of all the ads I saw from the DR's top beer producer...to insurance...to cars and daily usage products.....all white Dominicans...even the mulatto Dominicans got that special "white face" treatment! Even moreso than the Michael Vargas campaign posters!
I did not realize that this country was so white! Truth in advertising???? I think not!

I guess in this country...to drink a beer, drive a car, or have a job...you must be a white Dominican.

Sorry Goulet...I was having a Beleil moment!!!

It was true what you said about the advertising...on TNT Spanish....basically 3 ads running in rotation....

Did you watch the the bathing suit part .....mike the largest selling issue of a serious sports mag is the bathing suit edition...Sports Illustrated....I guess we are just filthy hairy beasts....Mike T and A sells in Latin America big time ...shake that booty

@PuntaCanaMike,

The subject: Miss Venezuela wins Miss Universe 2008
And your posts turn into some quasi-conspiracy theory on narco-trafficking/mafia countries and race. Seems like you're the type of guy that's constantly looking for something wrong....it must provide some sort of self-therapy.
And for the record, DR TV & ads show all ranges, the same with our beauty queens...looks like you really don't do much investigation on the subject you make baseless comments on.

Miss Ecuador was my Fav.

People, what's up with all these conspiracy theories and political issues? I'm just happy that dominicans are being potrayed in a positive light. Buenoha makes good points; these women do more afterwards than show up in ads and look pretty- they apparently are AIDS activists and globe trot for good causes.

Puntacana Mike: No, not every dominican commericial has white dominicans in it, and even if they did, they wouldn't be doing anything different than every other country that has been shaped by westernized preferences. Even in Asia (including India) , the paler you skin the more appealing you are deemed. Even though the USA was represented by a black woman (which I think is great), she was fair skinned and had green eyes. Advertising is just what it is, "advertising".

LOL...you guys dig in deep! As this forum often pushes headlong into the conspiracy zone...i thought I would give it a boost!

Regarding: buenoha, 14 Jul 2008 7:08 AM

But unfortunately they are a far cry from being a representation of Dominican Republic and its women.


One in one hundred or two could be placed in the same category.

"I am just pulling your leg ....this fell out of favor because of womens lib movement ....The feminazis do not like this stuff because they are all ugly....they say this stuff is misogynistic but I cant turn away," GC grovels disgracefully before buenoha.

oooo

Buenoha, you were once a person with class and taste.

But you let the flattery of a reprobate, like GC, drag you down to his moral and cultural level.

I pray to the Nazarene and to other more powerful divines that you may recover your acuity and rectitude.

Its true I noticed most TV presenters were a pasty white colour, the adverts in DR didn't even include a 'token' black guy. As an outsider its so noticeable that those on TV don't represent the true Dominican population. Why they hide it I don't know, its obvious even some Dominicans with the whitest skin have had a black guy in their mothers at some stage. Just look at the noses, profiles, lips. Be honest about it and stop being so racist.

Duane, our beauty queens come in all colours! What some people don't want to understand is that the DR is a diverse country, with different races, just like Brazil, Panama, Venezuela, Colombia, USA etc. It is no exception in the Americas to have a multiracial population. Stop complaining so much and do your homework before trying to label a whole nation as racist. Look at Massiel Taveras, Ada Aimee de la Cruz, Claudia Cruz Rodriguez, Ruth Ocumares, Amell Sanatana, and Evelina Rodriguez, Yaris Cedaño, Joelissa Sosa, Ghaydi Marques. All these dominican models and beauty queens are true representatives of our mulatto mix.
But since we have all types of races we also have several caucasian (looking) women who represent the DR as well, like Renata Soñe, Amelia Vega, Marianne Cruz, Larimar Fiallo, Mia Taveras. Why is it a problem to you that our people come in different sizes and shapes and all colours of the rainbow? We are not like Senegal, Finland, China or India, which are count

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which are countries that are mostly represented by one sole race. We are a bunch of mixed individuals, some lighter, some darker, some more mixed than others, but all united by our dominican-latin culture.

Pay no attention to" Duane the Wanker "he is just trying to deal the slimy race card off the bottom of the deck,,,Duane is the illegitimate son of Idi Amin Dada and is always trying to make trouble it is in his nature....he and the quarter wit belial are only trying to vex your spirit

Do you mean that he's the son of "the last king of Scotland", GC? LOL

What happened to your slimy domino line?

Its early I forgot ...Good morning Lautaro

Good morning to you too, Goulet.

Come to think of it, if he's really the son of Amin, that would explain a lot his apparent fascination with monarchies.

You got that right

Lautaro which is your favorite restaurant for Dominican food in SD ?

My favorite one is Payan. I grew up in San Carlos, you know.

Excuse me for dealing the slimy domino, Goulet, but I can't help asking our resident royalist here a question: Why should we change our advertising methods, Duane, when it's a proven fact that we are not a monorracial country (like Japan or the Koreas for example)?

I go there all the time 50 years 24 hours a day a real landmark ...I take all my visitors there ,it is a cultural icon

I also go to Vizcaya which combines two cultures very well ...and they live up to their motto...." A good meal at a fair price "

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the point.

Wake up dipsticks. I never said anything remotely along the lines that the DR was mono-racial or not multicultural. I said the opposite - read the post. I said that your advertising was not representative of your mix of people, watch a Presidente ad, the bimbos in it look as if they could come from bloody Sweden. Your women, mixed race, if not completely black are obsessed with having their afro hair straightened and wearing their make up lighter. It seemed those with wealth were mainly of European stock whilst those without were mixed or of African descent, no doubt there are exceptions, but not many.
If you say this isn't the case, you must walk around the Dominican Republic with your heads up your rear ends.

Buenoha - Having a huge list of Mulatto tarts 'representing' their country by standing around smiling doesn't display a mixed society, its just showing someone who happens to be mixed, in turn just showing you're only a nation of mulattos, which isn't true.

You've missed

Duane said: "just showing you're only a nation of mulattos, which isn't true."

If you haven't realized it yet, mr. royalist, we mixed people are the majority on this country, so it's obvious that the majority group must rule. Also, it's a misconception of yours to believe that only europeans posess wealth on this country, I could mention a lot of mixed families whose fortunes have nothing to envy those of the "blanquitos" just to make a point. That misconception might have bee truth during the decades in which the DR's economy depended on the well being of the sugar industry, but that's no longer the reality any more.

Yes and the UK only has Whites people.
The moons made of cheese.
And the deserts are made of candy.

Suit yourself in your false beliefs, then, Your Royal Highness.

That is Your Royal Anus

We are not amused.

Queen Vicky

Please. Should I state once more that if in fact we are guilty of potraying the more lighter skinned percentage of our population (which is not as small as some people like to say it is), then we aren't doing anything that any other country influenced by westernized preferences? Colombia is country of mostly mestizo population (supposedly 58 %) but the majority of their models don't look that way. A report on CNN stated a while back that the average American women is a size 14, but you know as well as I do that the models or women portrayed in magazines aren't overweight.

Does the average black woman have fair skin or green eyes as opposed to the majority of her counterparts? But guess what kind of girl Miss USA was decided to portray.

Good point Undead

Anyway, you just said:

"Buenoha - Having a huge list of Mulatto tarts 'representing' their country by standing around smiling doesn't display a mixed society, its just showing someone who happens to be mixed, in turn just showing you're only a nation of mulattos, which isn't true. "

Then you agree that were not only a nation of mulattos? So what then does it matter to you if we represent that other portion? Whatever man, it ain't that serious.

@ Duane

You are quite the ignorant troll, why are you polluting this event with racialist talk?
And you twist and lie things about DR to fit your ignorant babblings.
What pasty colored TV presenters? I watch DR television and I see all colors from darkest to lightest. DR does not make shows like Mexican telenovelas who only show Euro looking people, stop your lying.
And why is this subject even about race? SMH @ people always making any topic about DR the subject of race.
You're an idiot, DR has had beauty queens of all colors. You chose to see what's convenient
I believe DR shows a better representation of their population than Brazil or other countries. I'm sick of people constantly with the racialist spin on anything to do with DR.

What about the preference for Latinas or light skinned mulatta AA in all those AA hip-hop videos and magazines? Are you going to call them racist too?

Perhaps, during this celebration, this is not the thread to pose my question, but let's see.

I sense that there are few woman in this forum ... whether pretty or monsters, but those that are here are something else ... that is, very smart and strong.

Why so few?

Are we ... the majority of the babblers ... chauvinist and sexist pigs who smell and "oork, " disgusting and repelling the opposite sex.?

I know some of us are.

I spoke in the MIami Herald forum for a number of years on Cuban things, until the Herald partially gagged me.

There were a whole lot of women, mostly CAs pretending to be "exiles" ... smart and strong ... liberals as well as reactionary lunatics.

Is there a political and ideological divide between CA and DR ladies?

"Are we ... the majority of the babblers ... chauvinist and sexist pigs who smell and "oink, " disgusting and repelling the opposite sex.?" Says babbling belial...... the answer " Yes " to all of the above in his case....But even hideously deformed people like him, misogynistic in every way cry out for a little feminine attention..".I am not an animal " he says... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL2nEDCe0Hw

Well belial soy una chica- thanx for the mention and yes there are too few women on this forum.
I hate that the DR has to be profiled as a country with racial issues because quite frankly they are truely not the only ones in the world with such an issue. As far as people talking about DR sending only fair or blanca piel-toned females to these grand pagents, I have only one name for you RUTH OCUMAREZ.

"Born and raised in the capital city, Ruth became a celebrity in her nation by becoming the first woman of predominantly African heritage to represent the Dominican Republic in the widely popular Miss Universe pageant in 2002. While her previous predecessors were mainly of European or mixed heritage, Ruth became a popular figure in her country, and later in the pageant circuit. Due to her dark complexion and exuberant charm, she was given the nickname la diosa de ébano (the Ebony Goddess) by the Dominican public and press." -wiki

Nice hearing from you talia .....dont stay away so long....the hideously deformed belial will be flattered by your comments

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