PEDERNALES, Dominican Republic.- The otherwise best-kept secret of the Dominican Republic yearns to become a household word, as its 89 kilometers of beaches with barely 200 basic hotel rooms makes the Pedernales peninsula a most attractive region for investors seeking future potential and for adventurers after the unspoiled.
“No high-density tourism for us,” says the ex senator Antonio Feliz Perez (Toño), who as president of the Provincial Tourism Promotion and Development Association has a vested interest in making sure this jewel in the Dominican southwest doesn’t go the way of the country’s north and east coasts, where the ‘all-inclusive’ reigns.
But the obstacles are many, distance for one. The town and provincial seat Pedernales is 119 kilometers of winding, desolate and often treacherous road away from the nearest airport at Barahona, Maria Montez International. If that doesn’t scare potential developers away there’s the ominous presence of the Haitian border and that country’s decades of turmoil.
Yet for those with a pioneering flare the sparsely populated corner of the country won’t wait much longer, as Feliz notes that (Donald) “Trump, the French already have models” of developments presumably awaiting approval and/or joint ventures. “There is a fear of competition from the East, from Puerto Plata; no one lends money to build them, the government is pressured not to issue the permits.”
The exception would have to be the incomparable Bahia de las Aguilas. Mired in scandal for over a decade, would-be land robbers sought to claim this over 15 kilometer long strip of virgin beach by posing as farmers after the lands were declared agrarian reform in the early 1990s despite its almost desert-like vegetation and rocky soil.
Ecotourism, ecotourism
Repeating it won’t make it happen but many of the residents here feel that if the rules prohibit construction of massive hotels then let the alternative in. “Bahia de las Aguilas is not in the Jaragua National Park,” Feliz notes, but acknowledges that its protected category allow only eco-friendly structures.
The former lawmaker takes pride listing the region's attractions for visitors. “We can sell a destination of two countries; low humidity and the least rainfall; various microclimates and the spectacular depression Hoyo de Pelempito,” and the dizzying heights of the Sierra de Baoruco mountains that envelop it.
In fact the entire extreme southwest region has been declared a biosphere patrimony of the world, precisely for its unrivaled diversity which includes the 40 meter below sea level Lago Enriquillo, the Oviedo Lagoon, and the Beata and Alto Velo islands, all within an area less than 10,000 kilometers square.
Developers, ecologists work together
The situation of Pedernales has created an unusual bond between those who seek to develop it for tourism and ecologists who vow to protect Mother Nature. Take Ignacio Rodriguez Feliz, who despite his family relations with Toño makes it clear their agendas differ. He said his five years crisscrossing the Baoruco wilderness has convinced him of its value for tourism. “When people come here and see what I’ve seen they’ll be convinced it needs protecting.”
And he’s seen plenty. As contractor with the Hispaniola Ornithological Society Rodriguez can describe the habits of the island’s only two native mammals -the Jutia and Solenodonte- as rare as they are reclusive. “They depend on the forests, if they are cut down they are gone.”
For Feliz Perez and Rodriguez time is on their side. After all, waiting no matter how long isn’t a bother if you’re in paradise.
Written by: Perez, 27 Mar 2008 1:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
another place to be exploited. Why can't they keep it untapped?
Written by: Cacique, 27 Mar 2008 2:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Many things can be done to benefit the residents AND keep the areas from becoming 'all included' rat holes....
From: United States
Why can't they keep it untapped? ummm maybe bc that's the poorest area in the country and ppl do not have many options as far as work and thus cannot progress. There's no petroleum, gold, vegetation, nothing but natural beauty...why not use it to their advantage. So long as they do it wisely and protect it, this can work very well. In fact, if they open up to tourism, there will be more money flowing; part of this money can be used to protect the endangered species and protect the areas. The rest can be used to build roads, schools, institutions, etc.
Written by: NYCDR, 27 Mar 2008 2:58 PM
From: United States
hello!!!!!!!
this is advertising!!
duh
From: United States
The government must develop this area and uplift dominicans citizens in the hotel business, with the intention of keeping the money that enters the country in DR... not in spain or france or the US or Canada.
We'll never have anything of our own if foreigners own everything.... welcome investors but keep them at arms lenth and don't forget your own citizens...
Written by: bernies, 27 Mar 2008 4:17 PM
From: United States, falls church va
Well spoken carlos franco
From: United States
Carlos Franco, be careful when you advocate that Dominicans should benefit from the assets of their country, not people from canada and the usa and spain. there are posters who will describe you as being a racist, anti foreigner, rabble rouser. i like your ideas, but some of us don't! oh, i forget "commie".
Written by: JCjua, 27 Mar 2008 4:32 PM
From: United States, New York
Does anyone knows when was the last time the region had volcanic movement?
Is there a possibility of any volcano waking up in the area?
From: United States
what do you mean when you use the term region? or area?
From: United States
At least clean up all the cesspools that have been created, at the same time.
Has anyone ever walked into the ocean at a beautiful beach like Playa Grande and feel the thousand of plastic cups washing across your feet.
First teach the Dominican people not to throw garbage everywhere.
Written by: ny4life, 27 Mar 2008 5:12 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
JCjua, Hispanola does not have volanoes. It's not a volanic island like the smaller islands in the carribbean. Carlos Franco, I agree with you a 100% we can't allow all foreigners to own the hotels, real estate, etc b/c they are taking the money out fo the counry which does not really benefit the DR as much as if it were owned by DOminicans or in a partnership with a Dominican. THere must be more partnerships or Dominican owned hotels or real estate to ensure the country benefite more from the follow of tourism. I agree with you Carlos Franco the money has to be kept more in DR rather than going ot the US, France, Canada, Spain, and Italy.
From: United States
ny4life, i am grateful to you and Carlos for posting those opinions. i did the same , and was roundly abused by a fellow poster as being a subversive, rabble rousing inciter.at least i do not feel so alone anymore in my belief that dominicans should be the primary beneficiaries to whatever wealth is generated by the assets of THEIR country. it is the only one they have!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Mar 2008 5:29 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
I think that you're talking about GC, everyone's favorite slime from Yukon, imperialist running dog, burgueoise errand boy and commie basher. LOL
Written by: JCjua, 27 Mar 2008 5:41 PM
From: United States, New York
Dreadlocks, the place was part of a scientific study of some kind and that's why there were laws prohibiting the exploitation of the Bahia de las Aguilas. The bahia itself is a crater. If I'm not mistaken there are several craters in Pedernales.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
Glad to see you bad Dredlocks!
A balance needs to be reached. You can't deprive people of living opportunities, but at the same time you can't allow another Punta Cana to ravage the eco-system. If I may be as humble to propose a system akin to what's happening in MY town of Cacrera, where Mega proyects have been kept at bay (for now), and there has been a boom of small to mid-sized tourist complexes. perhaps something like this can benefit the residents of the areas, while maintaining the integrity of the eco-system.
Oh - and I hope it goes without say, that locals working in the tourism industry should be given proper working conditions and living wages, not be exploited as so many of our people out in Punta Cana are being exploited.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
we must all be diligent against demagogues
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
Dreadloacks, I meant - Glad to see you BACK
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
baldy you are totally correct about the ruination of the environment all projects in this area and all others from now on should adhere to the highest standards..this is most important or we will all be swimming in a cesspool of an ocean.....the major hotel companies do not exploit ,but historically when all inclusives are fighting to be so competitive the workers suffer,this must stop
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
the low ball all inclusive ....is a market we are no longer totally dependent on to make our name in tourism....the new hotels coming in 4 Seasons and Ritz for example are long term quality investors who value their employees....they have the track records to prove it
Written by: Jander, 27 Mar 2008 6:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I think they can develop it without destroying it.
And the world has their eyes on it.
The Internet has revoloutionized information.
It is much harder for countries and individuals from hiding their dirty little secrets.
!0 years ago most people didn't know where the DR was.
From: United States
i see that the errand boy has spoken again. sorry, yukon slime, merchant of manitoba: don't be so saddened to find that there are other dominicans who believe in the concept of ECONOMIC SOVEREIGNTY. I did not invent the idea. there are those who want to see the best outcomes for ALL the people of this country, not only the strong and wealthy. you , on the other hand, see it as an opportunity for a quick buck. if you had a modicum of understanding of international economics, you would not find my arguments so frightening. alas, ignorance is your forte, not to mention schoolboy catch- phrase name calling and accusations. i reiterate the poster who characterised you as a cancer on the planet. Danny the diddler? isn't that really creative, coming from one who purports to be an adult? the sad thing is that i cannot debate you with facts or concepts, since you are so woefully ignorant!
Written by: Perez, 27 Mar 2008 7:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Hey, if it will benefit the people living around that area, and the money will say in DR, then it's cool. I definitely agree with Mr. Franco, and Dread. Sorry, i don't mean to sound anti foreigner, but enough is enough! Not even in our country we can't benefit from it?
From: United States
Perez, you are definitely not anti foreigner because you say what you did. you can be PRO-DOMINICAN without being ANTI -FOREIGNER. the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. not because you might advocate securing the dominican border to limit illegal entry of endless waves of haitians means you are anti-haitian! only silly people with monochromatic views of everything believe such patent nonsense. other people get to advocate in their own interest, but Dominicans do not have that right? says who? look at the situation with the Dubai Ports World in the USA. they submitted a tender for the contract to administer a number of ports in the USA. not to own them, not to control them, but to run them efficiently, since they have a wealth of experience in that field.it prompted congressional hearings in the US, because, apart from security hyperbole, americans felt that foreigners should not control their ports. if the usa can be protective of its assets, why can't we be?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
who is we" Dred the Red "?and if you look and see who is the company that controls the Dominican airports ....I believe it is Canadian ...your comparison is pretty thin in its strategic significance...and just because that other guy beat on you so bad with the pinata stick is no excuse to call me names dredy..
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
sorry I insulted your hero Danny the red Ortega....but remember he was charged with molestation of children...that is a fact
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
hey dred they are only spending 1.5 billion dollars those outside exploiters and all around oppressors of the working class ....maybe they need your economic expertise...then you can give up teaching school and get a real job
From: United States
at least, in my mind, teaching is hard , honorable work. you might not see it as such, since garbage such as yourself have no use for education. that is why you cannot offer any cogent arguments without the introduction of juvenile witticisms and one liners. maybe if you valued teachers you would have educated yourself to the degree that you could understand something more uplifting than swindles. i consider teaching a real job: at least it enriches people. you, on the other hand, find solace in money only, and , as such, are devoid of soul, substance, wit, empathy, consideration and conscience. i pity you. to you a real job is one in which you can hob nob with rich folks who, indubitably, despise you, but tolerate your depressing presence, since you are such an errand boy. intelligent people do not belittle the importance of teachers. they leave that for detritus such as yourself: dishonorable, , win at all cost sociopaths. you are the cesspool of the planet.
From: United States
and furthermore, who cares if trump is spending 1.5 billion? it does not matter if he spends a gazillion dollars if it creates disequilibrium in the real estate market.( i forgot: thats the way the ball bounces). let me try to give you a simple economics lesson. the housing market is in the middle of a bubble, as we speak. prices of real estate have gone up astronomically is the last two years, what with all the foreign investor money. 20% per year is a conservative estimate. that is not sustainable. let me give you a simple example. the indians sold manhattan to the dutch in 1636 for 24 dollars worth of trinkets. now the cumulative value of manhattan real estate is conservatively valued at 186 billion dollars. that calculates to an interest rate of only 6.37%. granted that was 370 years ago, but it serves to illustrate that 20% rates of revaluation are not sustainable in the long run. people say that dominicans can afford the 300,000 condos that are being built with the foreign
From: United States
buyers in mind. maybe they can enter that market, but the word MORTGAGE has to be introduced into the equation, since not too many dominicans have 10 million pesos stashed away to buy articles for such amounts in cash. several people are going to be heavily leveraged to pay such notes, and, banks are going to be holding on to a lot of tenuous paper. when the bottom falls out of the market, which it eventually will, the crap will hit the fan. if the country experiences any kind of economic downturn and people begin defaulting on payments, the banks will be foreclosing on real property with negative values. it will make the meltdown in the USA look like a tea party. the Dominican economy is not built to absorb such shocks, but types like you don't care. you will have made a few million, with which you can buy airline tickets to new venues looking for fresh " opportunities".
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
stick to the point.....Canadian company controls Dominican airports....Si o No the rest is more of your pomposity
From: Dominican Republic
For those of you who might be interested in investing in your own country, one of the best hotels in Pedernales(MY FAVORITE PLACE in the DR) is for sale. It is run by a Dominican, and her Spanish husband. It has 10 fine rooms, all tiled, with cable tv etc., a restaurant which seats 50 and is probably the best in town. It is called D'Olio Mendez and it right down the street from the other really nice hotel called Dona Chavez. Both of these places are full up every weekend with people from the Capital. But there is so much more that could be developed, side trips to the Borucho park, lots of opportunities. I think the asking price for the hotel is 300,000k - and it includes a three bedroom house. Pedernales is a very sane little town, quiet, safe, with electricity almost all the time. Come on... there must be some Dominican who wants to come home...
buy it-- I could be convinced to manage if for a year or so...
From: Dominican Republic
More on that- I know that there are lots of Domincans around NY- in Haverstraw- who have houses and condos that are going for lot more than that. This is a great opportunity for someone to come back to their home country and invest. A wonderful sor\t of pre-retirement opportunity. The hotel is in fine condition. - rooms go for 800 and 1000 pesos a night. The restaurant is full every weekend, at least and lots of other times during the week. There are great oppotunities to open up tourism from there into Haiti - the road from Anse a Pitres to the Capital is on the books for the next round.(Ouanaminthe to Santiago is already finished). So this really is a great investment, I think, for not a lot of money.
From: Dominican Republic
There is a little airstrip there which is unused but we have small charter companies who can bring in people. There has been no efforts yet to get tourists to come down from Puerto Plata. If you got a good Jeepta - really a Tap tap - you could do tours for groups of ten or twenty - three days, include the Bahia and the Borucho and do a small rental car company on the side... the place is ready- it just takes someone with a bit of vision. The French are already working their way down the coast so it will not be long before one of the Europeans buys it.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
mountianannie..this is a breath of fresh air...do you mean you do not have to be a wealthy person to own a piece of paradise? this is good news....the only thing that concerns me is what if someone like "dred the red" comes along and wants to start some kind of Mugabe land redistribution program
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
we must all be diligent against demagogues and demagoguery
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
lautaro...thank you for the commie basher compliment... you are too kind..keep up the good work..I always have my pinata stick at the ready...wack wack
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
dred my sister is an educator....you would be poisoning the minds of poor defenseless children with your separatist ideas and wacko socialist programs....they would be handicapped for the rest of their lives...
Written by: pelaut, 28 Mar 2008 8:30 AM
From: United States
1. this is pure advertising
2. not to worry about foreigners benefiting in this project, only Dominicans shall benefit -- the rich pols and bureaurats that have their savings and retirement residences overseas. So much for helping the poor, and keeping the money here, etc. etc.
3. suppose the US had the same attitude toward foreign investment and foreign visitors as some posters from the US show here. They wouldn't be in the US, would they?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
do not equate foreign investment in USA with buying beachfront in DR..... USA limitations are strategic or press media restrictions....When Japanese bought the iconic Rockefeller Center in the 80s people complained...... so what?...they still bought it
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
The US has always limited Foreign presence, investment & products to foster domestic industry... But of course they force periphery economies to open their economies so core countries can come ravage them. These mechanisms are supported by a cast of individuals who push for the Foreign interests at the cost of local ones. These are the Huge importers who make themselves rich, while killing domestic production, and keeping pop poor.
At the same time, however, For. investment in the DR is giving opportunities to people to find jobs in the DR w/o having to risk their lives and decency abroad. We can't stop FDI, what we should call for are better ways to keep the wealth in the DR, protect the environment, improve labor conditions, and spread the gains to more of the population. These are the types of changes that core countries fear and oppose vehemently - just read the CAFTA document. And god forbid for 1 country to try to stand up for itself, then they are labelled a Rogue state.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
baldy aside from strategic and media limitations what else is limited?....products ? you have to be kidding...please think about that one sitting in your honda or mercedes
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
cafta will bring more prosperity here as nafta has to Canada and Mexico
From: United States
Goulet, your sister may be an educator, an honorable profession. so how did you stray so far from her path and end up being such an ignoramus? with the aura of knowledge in your household, you must have had a rebellion against things intellectual. i was reading a thread consisting of Cibaeno, FranktheTank and Mr Lautaro. though they disagreed on substantive issues, it was refreshing an illuminating to read their posts. intelligent people, who have no meaningful knowledge of subjects, reflect their intelligence by simply standing aside and learning something. i was embarrassed for you, because you are so infantile and cannot sit still for a second. you are like a child that has eaten too much candy. so, in typical fashion, you debase and devalue the level of a brilliant exchange by introducing some ignorant commentary, basically one or two liners, which is the usual extent of your accumulated knowledge. thankfully, they ignored you in essence, and continued the spirited debate.
From: United States
if you are so bored, and have no life, why dont you get some pets? why do you have to inflict misery upon the rest of us by your ill-bred behaviour and ignorance. shouldn't you be out somewhere wiping Donald Trump's backside?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
jump in any time dred and feel free to shoot your pompous mouth off anytime which you do
From: United States
i see you found a new word: POMPOUS. have you enrolled in a word of the month club? actually, in your case, it is a welcome development. you have just about worn your other invectives threadbare. here is a suggestion: try to learn 5 words a day: that will effectively give the rest of us a well deserved respite from you antics.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
please try to stay on subject dred you are becoming a distraction
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
: self-important, arrogant, haughty, affected, ostentatious, portentous, pretentious, snobbish, exaggerated, grandiose, vain.....which one do you prefer for your description DRED
From: United States
i am trying to concentrate on saying something maeningful, but your incessant molestaion keeps veering me off the track. i suggested that you get some pets, since you seem not to have a life.i retract that suggestion. domesticated animals seem to have a sense of loyalty, and obversely, seem to recognise loyalty in their owners. your pets would run away, because they would instantaneously detect that , given the most diminimus of opportunity, you would sell them at a profit. you would calculate their cost, if any, and the cost of the scraps you condescended to feed them. having arrived at a total cost figure, you would post them for sale in the local periodical for perhaps a dollar above cost. besides, they would probably sense that you could exercise the option of insuring them, then killing them in order to realise the profits of an insurance settlement. animals aint stupid!!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
very funny .....spend more time doing this kind of stuff and you wont seem so p-----------
From: United States
bravo, Goulet. i see you have learnt 11 new words. that is two days worth! then again, do you understand their meanings? no cheating, now.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
I just looked them all up ..it says the same thing.......DREADLOCKS
Written by: MrDom, 28 Mar 2008 12:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, DN
Education is not just about saying unusual words or presuming about how many books I have read or what my degree is. An educated person knows how to handle with others, without offending and respecting each other opinion.
You could have studied in Harvard but if you cannot get alone with others, you have not learned the basic principles of education.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
I am sorry sincerely..... I cannot help myself ..... I am truly ashamed...... but dred he has no excuse for his bad and cruel behavior he has a bad attitude and a dirty mouth
From: United States
Mr Dom, just for the record, let me set the history straight. i have been posting in this forum for well over a year, and at no time i have been engaged in any rancorous exchange with anyone, before the advent of Gouletcolonial. i have had lively opposition to my ideas before, but they have always been characterised by civility, and ayone can attest to that. i see no advantage to be gained by being rude to anyone, since , materially, it does not advance the discourse. that is why i am thrilled when powerhouses such as Lautaro and cibaeno go at it, because it is knowledge against knowledge in a robust, yet mutually respectful manner. then came GOULET. he introduced a style which was completely unique to the forum. listen to what i have to say, or shut up. disagree with me and i will attacch a label to you and ascribe characteristics which will demean you. never once ,before his advent, did i have to resort to acrimony to survive. if you look at his history of postings, he has insulted
From: United States
just about every other poster. repeated calls for him to act in a cordial fashion by other posters have gone unheeded. the list is endless: texas bill, dagtan, belial, Baldoria, Mr lautaro, jabao, and i could continue ad nauseam. sorry, Mr Dom, but i do not suffer bullies gladly. i am fully aware that Goulet would never have the gall to verbally assault me the way he does if we met up in a dark alley!! i reserve the right to defend myself, if at least in print. he started this, and i will be glad to finish it!!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
ad nauseum indeed
Written by: MrDom, 28 Mar 2008 3:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, DN
I understand your point of view Dread, sometimes I feel the same when I see what a poster (I’ll reserved to myself his or her name to avoid any conflict), almost everyday writes without any proof or justification about DR (THAT DRIVES ME CRAZY). But I know what he is looking for: FIGHT, UNCIVIL DISCUSION ETC.
I’ll be more than pleased to discuss my opinion with anyone who is full of knowledgement like many of you have (and sometimes I get amazed of how deep your comments are). But more important that defends his point of view with basis, impartial and respectful comments
From: United States
my sentiments exactly MrDom. these posters are spoiling for a verbal fight, because, more than likely, they could not win a physical one. i am more than willing to give civilty in return for civility, but some of us are unable to live by that style.
From: United States
see what i mean, MrDom. he is just an old geezer, wheezing his last, and lashing out at everyone he can. the world is his enemy. do you realistically believe that a happy and fulfilled person could be so confrontational and acrimonious? he just can't shut up for a moment. he lives on the internet, with his pc as his only companion. i pity him: if i had no other diversions, no friends, no pets, and no joy in my life, maybe i would plant myself in my computer also, ranting and raving like a rabid dog. but i love people, and the interaction, and, as such, can find fellowship to take me to other places of fulfilment besides the internet!!
From: United States
ok ,massa. i will,,sir.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
because I refuse to agree with your uber racist seperatist philosophy dred you blow hard ...you talk about ranting you fool look at your last 20 posts
From: United States
thank God for the other posters. at least they do not find you either relevant or useful, and therefore, in their lasting prudence, they ignore and avoid you. nobody but me responds to you. i look at your feeble attempts to make points and just about nobody responds to your observations. of course, it does not speak well of me , but , what the heck. thats the way the ball bounces!! you have regaled us with a catalogue of countries in which you have lived. i am always suspicious of people who have extensive residential resumes. it suggests to me that they are either on the run from people whom they have swindled or wronged, or the inhabitants of those dominions request that they leave, in unequival terms. might we be hearing you, posting from Burkina Fasso or the Azores ,in the imminent future? i am sure you have worn Canada out by now!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
another 800 letter post of nothing
From: United States
whack, whack!!
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
Here here Dredlock!
I'm off to the US, but we'll be back april 23rd. Lets try to get together either up NOrth or in Sto. Dgo.
send me an email. I know Lautero wants to get together too (baldoria23@gmail.com).
cheers,
From: United States
i will make sure i attend any get-together you plan for the north. have a safe flight, and be well.
Written by: Escott, 28 Mar 2008 8:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
another place to be exploited. Why can't they keep it untapped?
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000Oh it will be unspoiled because the place is crap unless you like Haitian Markets and a big park with no infrastructure and absolutely not a damn thing going for it.
It will be untapped for reasons other why you want it untapped. If the Dominicans can sell that crap to unknowing foreigners for stupid money they would LOVE TO.
If you want it untapped save your money and buy it all up instead of expecting others to do this for you but you are probably a broke dope and don't have a pot to piss in so you think others should invest their money with no return to make you happy. How stupid!
Written by: Escott, 28 Mar 2008 8:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
Dear Mr. Dredlocks,
I fail to see your problem with Donald Trump other than he is successful which I am sure bothers you to no end and you probably would love to be successful but are in a rut because you feel you can't be for one reason or another. Jealousy is going to eat you up. Give it up and live a healthy life.
From: United States
Escott, i expect better from you than this kind of invective. you have been known to post meaningful articles, so try not going down this road. here is my take, before you start with the jEALOUSY trip. when a foreigner is alerted to the fact that there is an investment opportunity somewhere in another part of the world, instinctively, the first question he is going to ask himself is" can i make money?" that is normative human behaviour. if he can make a profit, he will consider the venture. he is then going to have to consider the opportunity cost issues: the alternatives. should i buy in the Canary Islands or the Dominican Republic? eventually, he will settle on the one in which he can potentially make the most return on his dollar. in order to maximise profit, he will have to minimise expenses. this is why so much haitian virtual slave labor is utilised on the construction sites, to keep costs down. so the bulk of construction wages filters out to haiti, except for subsistence
From: United States
expenditure. the hardware stores and the aggregate vendors do get some benefit, but the amount is infinitesimal in the grand scheme. specialised equipment and furnishings are imported, many times directly without middlemen. the properties are very often sold to offshore buyers, and money deposited in foreign accounts. the net result is that tremendous amounts of money are spent, i will agree, but, proportionately, the locals receive very little. we can agree to disagree, but i am not from the school of thought which says that a little is better than nothing, because i see that as a justification for paying low wages and affording little benefits.i may invoke the name trump too often, but i use it solely for emphasis. if he had come here to build a state of the art university, for example, and make a modest prof it from tuition fees, i would be all for it. that is investment which benefits his host country. building golf courses and mansions for the wealthy is not a sustainable
From: United States
development model for this country. it is not a matter of jealousy, it is a matter of economics. it may look robust now, but time will bear me out. it cannot possibly benefit the local population, because it is not intended to. investors invest to make money, not to improve the conditions. they do not give a crap about the country nor the people. you live here, so i am sure you know numerous foreigners who have lived here for upwards of 10 years, who cannot speak a word of spanish besides otra cerveza. you think they care if their pueblo or city burns to the ground as long as their house survives?
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as an aside, Escott, what do you mean when you use the term "successful"? success is in the eye of the beholder. some people see getting a good education "success". some people see helping the poor and indigent success. do you consider someone such as Mother Teresa a failure, because she could not flit around the world in a private jet? several black inventors never made money because of the times in which they lived, but would you call the guys who invented the traffic light and were instrumental in developing open heart surgery failures? and why should i envy someone simply because they have money? how many guys with money have all kinds of physical infirmities which preclude them from enjoying that money? what good is it walking into the finest steak house with a million dollars, eating a porterhouse and then falling dead in the waiter's arms because your system cannot tolerate meat? all the money in the world cannot make things better!!
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and finally, why is it that so many rich people commit suicide? i can guarantee you that far less indigent people in this country, and others similarly situated, commit suicide than people in rich countries. i do not have the statistics at my fingertips, but i am willing to bet that more american millionaires commit suicide than poor dominicans, on a per capita basis .it just tells me that money isn't everything, and not because you dont have a lot means you are unworthy. look at Mike Tyson: look at Brittney Spears: look at even Dick Cheney. do they look like the poster children for happiness to you?.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
give it a rest dred it is getting tired and raggedy your stuff....if someone tells me money cannot buy happiness ...I tell them they are not shopping in the right places
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
escott you got it right.....dred is a socialist marxist whiner....but not necessarily a bad person
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mind your own business: i was conversing with Escott. i could have wagered money that you would have piped in . you are like an annoying tse-tse fly, always buzzing around with nothing positive to offer. you have got to be the most childish individual on earth, spending your life looking for a fight. God, you are truly foul!!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
you had better be nice dred or I will sick saturn on you to wack you with the pinata stick again...wack wack
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is this what passes for humor in your neck of the woods in canada? you must be really bored. i have to surmise you live in some outback wherein the only life form you encounter is stuff like moose and elk. having been banned from even the lowliest truck stops and biker bars, your only form of entertainment is to annoy other people. what a life!!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
you cannot sell your socialist agenda here no sale....that separatist hooey will not fly in the DR....you cannot understand why these people do not want to see it your way....tell us some more cornball anecdotes about wealth redistribution ...and land for all...just like Zimbabwe
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why do you write in so many fits and starts? do you keep losing concentration? whats left of your brain keeps fading? why so many periods? could it be that the old prostate has just about quit and you have to keep running to the bathroom? a catheter could be helpful in your case. see how life is ruthless, Goulet? now all the money you scammed and swindled can restore you to normal functioning. doesn't it just rile you when you see some young, healthy , barefoot adolescent with a buxom young lass in tow, knowing he , with no money, can enjoy her favors, while you can't even function? Ah, Father Time, you cruel man!!
Written by: Jander, 29 Mar 2008 12:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Geez take a break your fingers will fall off.. go have a cold Presiente !
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
have a Brama and help break the monopoly of Leon Jimenez....you can buy a presidente cheaper in Miami or the USVI
Written by: mito125, 29 Mar 2008 4:29 PM
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gouletcolonial: I don't normally comment on the articles, but I like to read both the news and the comments here at DT 'cause a lot of interesting things get discussed. I'm quite sick of you posting your stupid comments al over the place. It's just like a high pitched noise constantly revolving arround my brain.
I'm sending a complaint to DT about you and I hope everyone else does the same thing. Hopefully they'll ban your account and we can return to our normal peace of mind!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
so you must be the Leon Jimenez executive...why dont you just lower your prices then instead of being so piggy on the profits....but its to late now ,I hope these guys at AMBEV teach you a good lesson when they take 40% of your market share
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
If you dont work for Presidente then " Dred the Red" put you up to this and you should be ashamed
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
that " to our normal peace of mind " was a dead giveaway your a phony....Your either Presidente or another one of those lefty pinkos that want to drown us in their whining and complaining
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
I suppose reading that horse puckey of belials or comrade belial is just music to your ears?
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actually, Goulet, i dont need to 'put people up" to anything. i don't need outside help to deal with you: you are small potatoes. given your history, the defining mystery is what took so long for someone to explode like this. the sad thing is that even if you are expunged, you will probably re-register under a different nom-de -guerre and return to wreak even more havoc!.you cannot help yourself. you are just a bored guy with nothing else better to do than torment society!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
speak of the devil and look who shows up....dred you should not put those losers up to do your dirty work....ever since saturn gave you a thrashing you have been acting out of sorts..now snap out of it and get back to your normal whining and complaining self...
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i guess it is performances like this that have just driven everyone over the top. sorry to disappoint you,Goulet, but, as i said before , i do not need help against small fry like you. shouldn't you be out sending strangers computer viruses? that will be right in keeping with your sense of humor.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
you and your leftist buddies can talk all the trash you want but I am not going anywhere .....get used to it ...
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i realise you are not going anywhere. where else can you go, besides the internet? which masochist would be able to abide your physical presence?
From: Dominican Republic
Dread -- it will go easier on all of us if you simply stop responding to him. Really - you both should get one another's private emails and take this discussion off line.
I would like to ask if there is any one else who is posting here who has actually been to Pedernales, which is, I believe the topic at hand.
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point taken, mountainannie. i hold out myself to blame. for the harmony of the forum, i will desist from addressing him in the future.
From: Dominican Republic
Thank you, Dread!
From: Dominican Republic
Gouletcolonial - I hope that you, as well, will desist from any further personal attacks so that we might address the issues at hand. Thank you very much.
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So - gouletcolonial - posting from Canada,,,.... have you ever been to Pedernales? If not, would you desist from posting on this thread. I, for one, have a great interest in this area of the DR and would hope that we can preserve it from the type of development that is taking place on the North and east coasts.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
I heartily agree with you and the coincidence is ironic ...I have a famous travel writer returning from lake enriquillo today
http://www.gonomad.com/corp/davidrich.html if you would like his impressions I will pass him on
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
I am sorry to say the development is inevitable....but now we must set much higher ecological standards than anywhere else....and make said development showcase ecological settings of Pedernales
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
mountain annie ...I have been to the Barahona /enrequillo area many times never bahia de aguillas....Maria Montez airport exists....so sooner or later the speculators will be coming....hope you dont get sold out on the enviromental issues
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
From: Dominican Republic
Please return to the main point of this article.
Pedernales is the gateway to an area of the richest
biodiversity in the Caribbean. The UNESCO Biosphere includes Parque Jaragua, the Sierra de Bahoruco National Park and Lago Enriquillo. The geological history of the region does NOT include volcanic action, but instead the slow movement of tectomic plates thru millions of years. This movement has resulted in an area, a paleo-island known for the high rate of endemism of all organisms.
Please support small local hotels like Doña Chava and the local guides group AGUINAPE , among others,who are making an enormous effort to create community-based tourism which will provide respectable work for locals, preserve the environment and inform the people of the Dominican Republic as well as the world of the importance of this treasure island.
Stand firm against developers without conscience.
this is advertising!!
duh
The government must develop this area and uplift dominicans citizens in the hotel business, with the intention of keeping the money that enters the country in DR... not in spain or france or the US or Canada.
We'll never have anything of our own if foreigners own everything.... welcome investors but keep them at arms lenth and don't forget your own citizens...
Is there a possibility of any volcano waking up in the area?
Has anyone ever walked into the ocean at a beautiful beach like Playa Grande and feel the thousand of plastic cups washing across your feet.
First teach the Dominican people not to throw garbage everywhere.
A balance needs to be reached. You can't deprive people of living opportunities, but at the same time you can't allow another Punta Cana to ravage the eco-system. If I may be as humble to propose a system akin to what's happening in MY town of Cacrera, where Mega proyects have been kept at bay (for now), and there has been a boom of small to mid-sized tourist complexes. perhaps something like this can benefit the residents of the areas, while maintaining the integrity of the eco-system.
Oh - and I hope it goes without say, that locals working in the tourism industry should be given proper working conditions and living wages, not be exploited as so many of our people out in Punta Cana are being exploited.
And the world has their eyes on it.
The Internet has revoloutionized information.
It is much harder for countries and individuals from hiding their dirty little secrets.
!0 years ago most people didn't know where the DR was.
buy it-- I could be convinced to manage if for a year or so...
2. not to worry about foreigners benefiting in this project, only Dominicans shall benefit -- the rich pols and bureaurats that have their savings and retirement residences overseas. So much for helping the poor, and keeping the money here, etc. etc.
3. suppose the US had the same attitude toward foreign investment and foreign visitors as some posters from the US show here. They wouldn't be in the US, would they?
At the same time, however, For. investment in the DR is giving opportunities to people to find jobs in the DR w/o having to risk their lives and decency abroad. We can't stop FDI, what we should call for are better ways to keep the wealth in the DR, protect the environment, improve labor conditions, and spread the gains to more of the population. These are the types of changes that core countries fear and oppose vehemently - just read the CAFTA document. And god forbid for 1 country to try to stand up for itself, then they are labelled a Rogue state.
You could have studied in Harvard but if you cannot get alone with others, you have not learned the basic principles of education.
I’ll be more than pleased to discuss my opinion with anyone who is full of knowledgement like many of you have (and sometimes I get amazed of how deep your comments are). But more important that defends his point of view with basis, impartial and respectful comments
I'm off to the US, but we'll be back april 23rd. Lets try to get together either up NOrth or in Sto. Dgo.
send me an email. I know Lautero wants to get together too (baldoria23@gmail.com).
cheers,
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000Oh it will be unspoiled because the place is crap unless you like Haitian Markets and a big park with no infrastructure and absolutely not a damn thing going for it.
It will be untapped for reasons other why you want it untapped. If the Dominicans can sell that crap to unknowing foreigners for stupid money they would LOVE TO.
If you want it untapped save your money and buy it all up instead of expecting others to do this for you but you are probably a broke dope and don't have a pot to piss in so you think others should invest their money with no return to make you happy. How stupid!
I fail to see your problem with Donald Trump other than he is successful which I am sure bothers you to no end and you probably would love to be successful but are in a rut because you feel you can't be for one reason or another. Jealousy is going to eat you up. Give it up and live a healthy life.
I'm sending a complaint to DT about you and I hope everyone else does the same thing. Hopefully they'll ban your account and we can return to our normal peace of mind!
I would like to ask if there is any one else who is posting here who has actually been to Pedernales, which is, I believe the topic at hand.
Pedernales is the gateway to an area of the richest
biodiversity in the Caribbean. The UNESCO Biosphere includes Parque Jaragua, the Sierra de Bahoruco National Park and Lago Enriquillo. The geological history of the region does NOT include volcanic action, but instead the slow movement of tectomic plates thru millions of years. This movement has resulted in an area, a paleo-island known for the high rate of endemism of all organisms.
Please support small local hotels like Doña Chava and the local guides group AGUINAPE , among others,who are making an enormous effort to create community-based tourism which will provide respectable work for locals, preserve the environment and inform the people of the Dominican Republic as well as the world of the importance of this treasure island.
Stand firm against developers without conscience.