Havana.– Cuban airline Aerocaribbean will soon be operating two new destination services
to Central America and the Caribbean.
Airline officials announced a third
weekly flight connecting the eastern city of Santiago de Cuba with
Port-au-Prince starting June 24.
Eight ATR-72 aircraft will be chartering
tourists between Varadero, Cuba's main beach resort, and Punta Cana, in the Dominican
Republic
starting July 8.
The new air connections mean an advanced step towards
regional tourism multi-destination. Aerocaribbean flights will also increase
passenger services for Cuban collaborators, Caribbean youth studying in Cuba and
their relatives and business missions.
Established in 1982, Aerocaribbean
showed a 20-percent growth in 2007, while consolidating itself as a regional and
domestic airline, in partnership with Sol y Son and Siredtours S.A. tour
operators.
The Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Honduras and Haiti are
among Aerocaribbean international scheduled destinations.
From: Canada
Curiosity seekers who want to see commie Cuba for the last time...It wont be there next year....why they even have rice cookers now
Written by: Rainman, 6 Jul 2008 12:35 PM
From: United States
every other airline in the world is cutting down their operation due to the hight cost of fuel and of course the cuban madman is adding routes while the peoplel are opressed and starving go figure that one
From: Canada
Are those the ATRs that AA got rid of I mean the oldest ones in the fleet...But still anything is better than those bucket of bolt Russian abominations from the commie era those rip off 727s types
From: Canada
they are not oppressed they just got new rice cookers to go with their 57 chevys and 84 Ladas
Written by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 2:28 PM
From: United States, Texas
"every other airline in the world is cutting down their operation due to the hight cost of fuel and of course the cuban madman is adding routes while the peoplel are opressed and starving go figure that one," Rainman drizzles.
0000
First falsity -- that is, No. (1) -- "every other airline in the world is cutting down their operation due to the hight cost of fuel"
Not exactly.
JetBlue owned by elements of the US bourgeoisie; Copa,owned by Panamanian bourgeois elements; WestJet, owned by Canadian bourgeois elements, among others ... like the above-mentioned Aerocaribbean owned by glorious Cuban proletariat are now expanding flights, routes, and fleets.
The giant airlines that are sobbing and dropping into their opened graves are inefficient companies owned by the big imperialist elites of the USA and EU.
Who is this "Cuban madman" you talk about? Do you call him "madman" because he runs companies more efficiently than incompetent and corrupt imperialists?
Written by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 2:56 PM
From: United States, Texas
Second falsity ... or, No. 2 -- "while the [Cuban] peoplel are ... starving," Rainman drizzles further.
oooo
The Cuban people are not starving. They are the best fed people in Latin America and Caribbean.
The Cuban people have the highest per capita caloric and protein daily consumption rates of all the peoples of Latin America and the Caribbean. Every Cuban household gets a ration card with a fair market value or purchasing power of about $8 per day.
Everywhere else in the region, including the riches countries like Brazil, Argentina, the DR, Mexico, and Chile, shantytowns teem with people gripped by malnutrition.
Take the the booming DR, for example, 42% of Dominicans live below the poverty line, defined by the World Bank as living off less than $2 per day for everything, an income which is four times less than value of Cuban ration book ALONE.
When world food prices rise, the value of the Cuban ration book rises.
" Hunger" in Cuba is a lie of cappie media.
Written by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 3:00 PM
From: United States, Texas
"They are the best fed people in Latin America and Caribbean."
oooo
This is not a boast, because to be the best fed people in Latin America and Caribbean isn't saying much.
The point is that the capitalist bloc in the region ... 95% of Latin American and Caribbean peoples ... face more diffcult situation than the Cuban people on the question of food.
From: Canada
oh no he is waterboarding us again....mercy no more data and statistics from granma...this just proves how useless they are ...stop please stop....the humanity
Written by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 3:27 PM
From: United States, Texas
Third falsity -- that is, No. (3) -- "the [Cuban] peoplel are opressed." Rainman completes his drizzle.
0000
The Cuban people are more free than all others.
The form of the Cuban state is a parliamentary style democracy based on non-partisan and multi-candidate elections at the municipal level.
By law, no party, including the Communists, nominates endorses or campaigns for candidates.
Top executive officials are elected by majorities in legislative bodies.
This form of state is deliberately designed to remove bourgeois and other parties and the corrupting influence of big money from multi-candidate electoral contests ... rather than multi-party contests which are fashionable in bourgeois democracies.
The content of the Cuban state is 97% worker at top, middle, and lower-level posts, a glorious proletarian state.
It's truly a government of the people and by the people, not a government of the bourgeoisie by bourgeoisie [or its hired help] over the people.
Written by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 3:40 PM
From: United States, Texas
The greater liberty that the Cuban people exercise and enjoy compared to others has enabled them to provide themselves, despite constant imperialist aggression, with the highest standard of living of any people in Latin America and the Caribbean, if we deign to accept education, health care, nutrition, and housing as the chief indicators of living standards.
If we repudiate education, health care, nutrition, and housing as the chief indicators of living standards, then we must explain how education, health care, nutrition, and housing have fallen to secondary importance as indicators of living standards.
The obsequious bourgeois and imperialist reactionaries often argue that the supreme indicator of one's living standard is how frequently a millionaire bourgeois pats you on the head, shoulder, or behind as if you were his spouse, a child, dog or cat.
I will continue to insist that education, health care, nutrition, and housing are more important than bourgeois decadence.
From: Canada
they may not be opressed but they are oppressed lame brain....communist elections are always so exciting wondering who will win
Written by: Jander, 6 Jul 2008 3:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Belial have you ever been to the local market in Havana ?
That area wasn't on the tour operators list of places to see, but a few of my friendsand I hired a local taxi and had him take us of the beaten path. I have never seen or smelled anything like it in my life.The poor Cubans didn't understand why we were so disgusted by the stench of rotting meat.I guess it is because they just don't know anyhting different.
Did you know under Fidel that you could be arrested for killing a cow? Beef was rationed and only provided to pregnant women the very young or the very old and weak.
Thats why pork is the main meat for that country I.E Cuban sandwich
You spread your nonsense with stats copied and pasted from the internet but you really don't have a clue do you ?
At least GC and I can back up our stories with real life experinces.
I bought some longiniza and brought back to the hotel and the bartenders and waiters were so happy as they couldn't afford it on there meager salries.
Written by: Jander, 6 Jul 2008 3:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Here is a positive spin on Cuba:
I didn't see any overweight or obese people so maybe rattioning does work.
Written by: Jander, 6 Jul 2008 4:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Soory everyone but Belials support of Fidel just hits a nerve.
Here is a nother factoid,
Cuban athletes are not rationed and are fed the best of everything.
The is Fidel's smoke and miiror tactics to fool the world into beleiving he was/is such a wonderful leader. Rathe then admitting like Crazy KIm of North Korea that he can't feed his people.
here is a copy and paste of my own.
All communist economies eventually floundered because of lack of monetary incentives. They reduced the lowest levels of poverty, but could not advance the general material welfare.
Internal violence was reduced, but not necessarily international violence. The only societies that had successful communist economies were primitive native tribes, e.g., American Indians, where most goods were owned by the tribe and personal possessions were few. However, we know what happened to these peoples when confronted by the capitalists!
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/18703.htmlFrom: Canada
I object the Cubans are getting new rice cookers as we speak ....so there...things are looking up
Written by: Jander, 6 Jul 2008 4:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I stand corrected.. My postings are a bit dated.. now if they could just afford to buy the rice..
Written by: Jander, 6 Jul 2008 4:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Here Belial:
Enforcement is severe by western standards. For instance:
“That's because a person can get more jail time for killing a cow than killing a human, under Cuban law. Cow killers can get four to 10 years in prison under a toughened crime law adopted in January. Those who transport or sell the meat from an illegally slaughtered cow can get three to eight years. Providing beef at an unauthorized restaurant or workplace can fetch two to five years. And buying contraband beef is punishable by three months to one year in jail or a steep fine. Authorities also have the power to confiscate all or part of the property of anyone involved in black-market cattle dealings.” [5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_CubaWritten by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 4:31 PM
From: United States, Texas
"You spread your nonsense with stats copied and pasted from the internet but you really don't have a clue do you ? At least GC and I can back up our stories with real life experinces."
0000
You and GC are smug about the infallibility of your two-bit anecdotal responses and observations which you claim or say are derived from personal experience.
I don't know whether your anecdotes come from personal experience, but I know that aren't infallible.
An anecdote either illustrates something that (1) represents the whole or (2) mis-represents the whole or (3) partly represents and partly mis-represents the whole.
It easy to find anecdotes for any of three possibilities.
Given the intense bias that you and GC harbor in favor of the bourgeoisie and capitalism, we are certain that you are selective and slanted in you anecdotal choices.
Stats and data don't disturb you, it's the source.
I cite World Bank, CIA , UN, Wiki, and IMF as my chief sources to disarm you.
From: Canada
you are a low grade moron ! belial ....off to North Korea to distribute food packages for you and your Data and Statistics
Written by: Jander, 6 Jul 2008 4:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The question was have you ever been to Cuba or anywhere as far as that goes?
If I beleived everthing I read then I guess Superman is real.
You have to get out once and while and mingle with the locals.
I remember going to a young lady's home and having dinner with her family in Havana.
I was curious about things and asked about Fidel and why there were heavily armed soldiers at every corner. when my voice got too loud they told me to shhh , and the father got up and closed the window,
They told me later that they could be arrested for conspiracy and there were ears everwhere.
Written by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 4:53 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I object the Cubans are getting new rice cookers as we speak ....so there...things are looking up"
oooo
Excepting those just coming into adulthood, all of the Cubans have had their rice cooker for about two years now.
So, your "info" is really dated.
The Cuban ration book assures that there is rice to put into the cooker.
The wildly successful energy revolution assures there is electricity to turn the cooker on.
In the sprawling shantytowns of Latin America and Caribbean where tens of millions of people under Latin American capitalism cook their rice ... if they have any ... using newspapers, scraps of woods or anything else they can find in the streets, a rice cooker, like the devices every Cuban has, would be judged a blessing that could only come from at least three divine beings.
In the swanky neighborhoods of Latin America, the bourgeois sneers at the rice cooker. He ... after all ... has an electric range, disher washer, and a wondrous garbage grinder.
Written by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 5:10 PM
From: United States, Texas
"The question was have you ever been to Cuba ..."
oooo
Jander,you are really a clumsy agent of the US Treasury Department 's Office of Foreign Asset Control which administers the US imperialist blockade of Cuba.
http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/Jander, would you object in any way or to any degree if I set you up, too?
Jander, have you ever smuggled cocaine into the USA? [Please, be truthful and specific.]
Believe me, I'm not agent of US Drug Enforcement Administration. I'm just setting you up for the fun of it.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/index.htmBy the way, Jander, when you smuggle illegal drugs into the USA, do you let any of your family members and friends who reside in the USA consume gratuitously your imports? Do you charge them?
Written by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 5:16 PM
From: United States, Texas
"They told me later that they could be arrested for conspiracy and there were ears everwhere." Jander peddles suspicious anecdotes.
oooo
That sounds more like the USA than Cuba.
Are you sure where you were?
Written by: Belial, 6 Jul 2008 5:24 PM
From: United States, Texas
"you are a low grade moron ! belial ....off to North Korea to distribute food packages for you and your Data and Statistics"
0000
GC, you are uncouth. You have no class. It's a good thing your doctor got you on crazy drugs.
Written by: Rainman, 6 Jul 2008 11:26 PM
From: United States
Belial I dont know where to start: First question is are you cuban or of cuban parents? have you lived in cuba as a cuban not as a tourist?
Written by: Belial, 7 Jul 2008 3:53 AM
From: United States, Texas
"First question is are you cuban or of cuban parents?"
oooo
I'm one of them rare Texans who hasn't ridden a horse or shot anybody [ I misssed.]. As far as I know, no Cuban has gotten into my blood line. But I believe I have some that fine Caribbean blood in me; so, some divine being may bestow grace on me and save me.
But I hope He doesn't save me soon.
From: Canada
stop the madness ...Stop Waterboarding us....we confess
From: Canada
Houston ...You got a problem
Written by: Rainman, 7 Jul 2008 9:19 AM
From: United States
Ok now I can if you like debate cuban issues in a rational manner if you like since I can assure you your position as much as you think is a noble cause is only based on theory and second hand experience.
Written by: Jander, 7 Jul 2008 11:05 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Belial , as you are trying to brainwash people into beleiving communism is so wonderful I will convert you to Capitalism. It will take some time but I can feel that we are wearing you down.
Just a matter of time..
Written by: Belial, 7 Jul 2008 2:23 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Belial , as you are trying to brainwash people into beleiving communism is so wonderful I will convert you to Capitalism. It will take some time but I can feel that we are wearing you down," Jander mis-represents what I do, but he still promises to help me, according bourgeois way of thinking.
oooo
In Marxist ideology, an exchange of ideas exercising God-bestowed power of rationality is not "brainwashing." The exercise of reason is deemed "brainwashing" in bourgeois ideology because the ideological aim is to develop sheep, robots, or vicious dogs.
"Brainwashing" is a procedure which occurs most in about 60 USA-run concentration camps where over 500,000 people are tortured, told what to say and what to believe, and murdered if they resist imperialist brainwashing.
Vile and filthy US bourgeois liars first denied they "brainwashed" up to 2006 when photos of the horrible brainwashing at the Abu Ghraib camp run by the US imperialists surfaced.
Denials are worthless now.
Written by: Jander, 7 Jul 2008 2:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ready to cross-over yet Bel-Wiki?
From: Canada
Vile and filthy US bourgeois liar and proud of it
From: United States
Belial, i dont know who you are, but i am a 100% cuban and everything you said is bull...t. Cuba ration book is barely sufficient for 15 days, the rest of the month you have to buy at higher prices and something in CUC, the equivalent of 0.90 US dollar. If you dont have relatives abroad, or work for some foreign corp you dont have CUC to buy some stuffs. Do you know that children over six years old do not receive milk form the goverment?, why if Cuba is so wonderful hundred of thousands try to escape from the "paradise". Stop drinking your mojitos or change to another drink
From: Canada
Cmon you dog breath commie speak up you have been waterboarding us all day with your drivel and now that you have been exposed for the swine you are .....not a peep
From: Canada
He is passed out next to his crack pipe the commie loser...capitalism triumphs again....now where is his evil henchman Egor 201
Written by: Jander, 7 Jul 2008 11:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Belial I apologize for not answering your questions.
I am not with any government agency.
I don't smuggle anything , I don't need to I am Capitalist remember ?
Written by: Jander, 7 Jul 2008 11:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Belial
Oops I lied
I did bring back some cigars that had a questionable origin once and got away with it.
I was sweatin like a "hooker in church"
Written by: Belial, 8 Jul 2008 12:00 AM
From: United States, Texas
"Cuba ration book is barely sufficient for 15 days..." Reyhavana lies.
ooooo
The purchasing power of the monthly ration book includes:
Product ..........................................Quantity ........................Price (CUP)
Rice.................................................. 6 lb.................................. 0.70 / lb
Beans............................................. 20 oz. ...............................0.32 / lb
White sugar .................................... 3 lb................................ 0.15 / lb
Dark sugar ...................................... 3 lb................................ 0.10 / lb
Milk ( children under 7)................... 1 lt /day..........................0.25 each
Eggs (*)............................................ 12 ....................................0.15 each
Potatoes/bananas....................... . 15 lb ................................0.40 / lb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_Cuba Written by: Belial, 8 Jul 2008 12:31 AM
From: United States, Texas
"The rest of the month you have to buy at higher prices and something in CUC, the equivalent of 0.90 US dollar. If you dont have relatives abroad, or work for some foreign corp you dont have CUC to buy some stuffs," Reyhavana lies again, but this lie is bigger than the other one.
oooo
The Cuban workers produce HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TONS of food every year on their stunningly successful urban farms. The produce from urban farms is sold on nearby sidewalks mostly in CUPs, not CUCs or hard currencies like the euro.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/20....B-FEA-GEN-Cuba-Farming-Havana.phpCuba has two official currencies, the CUP, roughly worth a US quarter, and the CUC, roughly worth a US dollar. Euros unofficially also circulate rather freely.
Whether the ration book last 15 days or 31 days depends on the magnitude of owner's appetite. Some people eat a month's food in two weeks or one week or even one hour, like gluttons who are common in the USA.
Written by: Belial, 8 Jul 2008 12:59 AM
From: United States, Texas
"Do you know that children over six years old do not receive milk form the goverment?" the liar asserts.
oooo
Liar Reyhavana means that seven-year olds don't recieve milk at home under their parents' ration book after the kid reaches 7 years of age.
But contrary to Reyhavana's dirty lies and insinuations, 7, 8, 9 10, 11, and 12 year olds continue drink milk at school.
In the rest of Latin America and Caribbean, there aren't any ration books whether the books last two weeks or one month. There aren'ty any urban farms whether the produce is sold in local or foreign currencies. In the rest of Latin America and Caribbean, millions of people don't have the slightest idea where their next meal is coming from.
Slimy Reyhavana believes the Cuban worker, armed with his ration book, is worst off than the millions in Latin Amreica and the Caribbean who don't have a crumb and don't know where to get a crumb.
Slimy Reyhavana loves to kidnap others' kids, like Elian Gonzalez..
Written by: Belial, 8 Jul 2008 1:15 AM
From: United States, Texas
"Do you know that children over six years old do not receive milk form the goverment?" the liar asserts.
oooo
Bourgeois regimes in the rest of Latin America and Caribbean don't even provide milk to children UNDER six years old by either parents' ration books or school nutrition programs.
But slime like Reyhavana, full of bourgeois lies, climbs on his high horse, pulls out his sword and aims at the Cuban ration book "Comrades, for the glory of US imperialism and of Miami lunatics, liberate the people of Cuba from the exploitation and oppression of their ration books. Charge!"
Written by: Belial, 8 Jul 2008 2:32 AM
From: United States, Texas
p. 2 of 2
Cuba remits:
(1) Critical medical services, supplies, equipment, and whole hospitals
(2) educational services -- teachers, supplies, books, audio-visual equipment and whole schools
(3) construction
(4) sport services
(5) agricultural services, and
(6) engineering services, especially in the energy field
These items are remitted to 70 countries every year.
If these items were expressed at their value in the "free market" ... which otherwise is so dear to malignant bourgeois hypocrites ... or, in other words, if the USA, EU or Canadian imperialists had to supply these same items, the value of the remittances would be appraised in billions of dollars.
Must remittances be in cash or can they assume the form of other values in lieu of cash?
In any case, what's the economic significance of petty scraps and crumbs ... cash or otherwise ... the "relatives abroad" [Miami and Union City] send home if their imperial slave masters in D.C. let them.
Written by: Belial, 8 Jul 2008 2:34 AM
From: United States, Texas
REMITTANCES
p. 1 of 2
"If you dont have relatives abroad ... you dont have CUC to buy some stuffs," the liar Reyhavana asserts.
oooo
Let's forget about the urban farms that employ 350,000 workers in Cuba and pretend they don't exist.
Why is slime like Reyhavana throwing this rubbish about "relatives abroad" in our faces?
Is Cuba the only country in the region which gets remittances from relatives abroad?
Does Cuba depend more on remittances from relatives abroad than other countries in the region?
US imperialists let relatives abroad from other countries send remittances of any size to their home countries, but represses Cuban relatives abroad into sending quarterly remittances of only $300 or less.
How can Cuba be more dependent on remittances than its neighbors?
More importantly, what about the remittances, prompted by liberality and compassion, the socialist Cuban workers send abroad to their brothers and sisters every year?
From: Canada
the VERDAD... Since the economic crisis of the early 1990’s, Cuba’s agriculture sector has had a measure of incentives and market mechanisms. All producers, from individual private farmers to all varieties of cooperatives, have to deliver a quota to the state – but they are then free to sell any surplus on the open market. That surplus production, most supplied by private farmers, is sold at market prices at 300 farmers markets across the country.
But Cuba produces far below its potential, many of the larger farm cooperatives have never turned a profit, and Cuba’s annual food import bill is now about $1.6 billion. Raul Castro has focused on agriculture – he settled debts to producers and raised prices paid to producers for milk and beef, and he called for broader changes in his speech last July.
From: Canada
There has been talk of eliminating the libreta, the ration book that is the mechanism for distributing heavily subsidized staples to every Cuban household. And we are seeing reports that there is a decreasing reliance on the state as the buyer, transporter, and distributor of food, and increasing use of direct sales to end-users. If the result of all this is elimination of the huge state distribution system in agriculture (the acopio) and a new policy where the state abandons mass rationing and instead targets food aid to those in need, that would mark a very large “structural” change, one that could point to later policy moves in other economic sectors.....IT IS OVER..next step FULL CAPITALISM.....and soon we will be coming to defecate on fidelitos grave
From: Canada
and you you swine apparachik we will be coming to drag you out of your rat hole in Houston and extradite you to Havana and put you up against the sacred wall where the T shirt salesman and phony doctor Che executed so many Patriots .....Your crimes against the internet for waterboarding us with your cut and paste rubbish ad nauseum will get you what you deserve
Written by: Belial, 8 Jul 2008 1:16 PM
From: United States, Texas
The 350,000 workers employed in thousands of the stunningly successful urban farm projects are mostly organized into cooperatives of various sizes. The produce that comes from urban farms coops is not subsidized for the most part by the state and is sold at prices that more or less correspond to supply and demand in the locality, under the vigilance of the state to prevent price gouching by unethical elements in society. GC, you lying dog, you grossly exaggerate the prices of the food from urban farms. These prices fluctuates within limits more or less in acordance with changes in supply and demand, costs of production, and a reasonable rate of profit for the producing coop. The profits from the operations of the coop mostly go to the members of the coop and to the coop itself.
The prices are well within the purchases power of the Cuban consumers which in large part explains the stunning success of the urban farms, a model for other countries that rely on bourgeois farmers.
From: Canada
BBBBBBBBBBBSSSSSSSSS and you know what that means
From: Dominican Republic
I have flown with Aero Caribbean a good number of times....very good experience. Flight was on time, crew personible and the sandwich they serve ( yes...they actually still feed you on some of the airlines in the world) is very tasty...as is the complimentary Havana Club and Cristal beer.
I am happy to see them set up shop in punta Cana...this will save me a lot of driving to Santo Domingo......oh...sorry....i strayed off topic...what was the article about??? I just read the forum replies above and I must have posted in the wrong thread...thought this was about Aero Caribbean...not Cuban politics.
Oh well...you regulars...keep fighting the fight that you seem to bring into every story.
Welcome to Punta Cana Aero Caribbean!!!
Written by: Rainman, 8 Jul 2008 5:03 PM
From: United States
belial do you actually believe the stuff you write?
you contradict yoursef if a person gets according to the ration libreta (key word RATION) as is called what they are supposed to get (by the way the fact that is due to them doesnt mean is available) that person will run out of food before the month end. ie: 6 lbs of rice divided by 30 days equals 0.2 oz a day or 0.1 oz per meal do you actually know what that is after cooking it . so for arguement sake just divide the list that you made before by the days in a month and see if is enough.
Rice.................................................. 6 lb.................................. 0.70 / lb
Beans............................................. 20 oz. ...............................0.32 / lb
White sugar .................................... 3 lb................................ 0.15 / lb
Dark sugar ...................................... 3 lb................................ 0.10 / lb
Milk ( children under 7).................
From: United Kingdom
Man! reading some of the people on here makes me feel like I’m in the 1950s.
From: Canada
Francois where have you been? or in Mexican Espanol....Donde frejole ?
From: United Kingdom
Work! Work! and more Work ( in asia) at least they let me get to south Florida for a week lol
From: United States
gouletcolonial, Jesus you are a Come MMMM ..... Leave the great Fidel Castro alone..
From: United States
could I fly to Cuba with a Dominican Passport if i have duel citizenship?
From: Canada
Chill I told you there is a job pushing his wheel chair
From: Dominican Republic
One more time....
I have flown with Aero Caribbean a good number of times....very good experience. Flight was on time, crew personible and the sandwich they serve ( yes...they actually still feed you on some of the airlines in the world) is very tasty...as is the complimentary Havana Club and Cristal beer.
I am happy to see them set up shop in Punta Cana...this will save me a lot of driving to Santo Domingo......oh...sorry....i strayed off topic...what was the article about??? I just read the forum replies above and I must have posted in the wrong thread...thought this was about Aero Caribbean...not Cuban politics.
Oh well...you regulars...keep fighting the fight that you seem to bring into every story.
Welcome to Punta Cana Aero Caribbean!!!
From: Canada
Chill I will turn you in to the gestapo ...we dont care how many passports you have ...It is not illegal for Americans to go to Cuba..... It is illegal to spend any money supporting the current regime and it is covered under the Trading with the Enemy Act...if you hold an American Passport use caution..But it will not be stamped unless you are dumb enough to ask them to...But just follow the crowd of American curiosity seekers and do as they do Egor
Written by: colonial, 10 Jul 2008 10:25 AM
From: United States
I love the passion. Keep it up guys hahahahaa
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0000
First falsity -- that is, No. (1) -- "every other airline in the world is cutting down their operation due to the hight cost of fuel"
Not exactly.
JetBlue owned by elements of the US bourgeoisie; Copa,owned by Panamanian bourgeois elements; WestJet, owned by Canadian bourgeois elements, among others ... like the above-mentioned Aerocaribbean owned by glorious Cuban proletariat are now expanding flights, routes, and fleets.
The giant airlines that are sobbing and dropping into their opened graves are inefficient companies owned by the big imperialist elites of the USA and EU.
Who is this "Cuban madman" you talk about? Do you call him "madman" because he runs companies more efficiently than incompetent and corrupt imperialists?
oooo
The Cuban people are not starving. They are the best fed people in Latin America and Caribbean.
The Cuban people have the highest per capita caloric and protein daily consumption rates of all the peoples of Latin America and the Caribbean. Every Cuban household gets a ration card with a fair market value or purchasing power of about $8 per day.
Everywhere else in the region, including the riches countries like Brazil, Argentina, the DR, Mexico, and Chile, shantytowns teem with people gripped by malnutrition.
Take the the booming DR, for example, 42% of Dominicans live below the poverty line, defined by the World Bank as living off less than $2 per day for everything, an income which is four times less than value of Cuban ration book ALONE.
When world food prices rise, the value of the Cuban ration book rises.
" Hunger" in Cuba is a lie of cappie media.
oooo
This is not a boast, because to be the best fed people in Latin America and Caribbean isn't saying much.
The point is that the capitalist bloc in the region ... 95% of Latin American and Caribbean peoples ... face more diffcult situation than the Cuban people on the question of food.
0000
The Cuban people are more free than all others.
The form of the Cuban state is a parliamentary style democracy based on non-partisan and multi-candidate elections at the municipal level.
By law, no party, including the Communists, nominates endorses or campaigns for candidates.
Top executive officials are elected by majorities in legislative bodies.
This form of state is deliberately designed to remove bourgeois and other parties and the corrupting influence of big money from multi-candidate electoral contests ... rather than multi-party contests which are fashionable in bourgeois democracies.
The content of the Cuban state is 97% worker at top, middle, and lower-level posts, a glorious proletarian state.
It's truly a government of the people and by the people, not a government of the bourgeoisie by bourgeoisie [or its hired help] over the people.
If we repudiate education, health care, nutrition, and housing as the chief indicators of living standards, then we must explain how education, health care, nutrition, and housing have fallen to secondary importance as indicators of living standards.
The obsequious bourgeois and imperialist reactionaries often argue that the supreme indicator of one's living standard is how frequently a millionaire bourgeois pats you on the head, shoulder, or behind as if you were his spouse, a child, dog or cat.
I will continue to insist that education, health care, nutrition, and housing are more important than bourgeois decadence.
That area wasn't on the tour operators list of places to see, but a few of my friendsand I hired a local taxi and had him take us of the beaten path. I have never seen or smelled anything like it in my life.The poor Cubans didn't understand why we were so disgusted by the stench of rotting meat.I guess it is because they just don't know anyhting different.
Did you know under Fidel that you could be arrested for killing a cow? Beef was rationed and only provided to pregnant women the very young or the very old and weak.
Thats why pork is the main meat for that country I.E Cuban sandwich
You spread your nonsense with stats copied and pasted from the internet but you really don't have a clue do you ?
At least GC and I can back up our stories with real life experinces.
I bought some longiniza and brought back to the hotel and the bartenders and waiters were so happy as they couldn't afford it on there meager salries.
I didn't see any overweight or obese people so maybe rattioning does work.
Here is a nother factoid,
Cuban athletes are not rationed and are fed the best of everything.
The is Fidel's smoke and miiror tactics to fool the world into beleiving he was/is such a wonderful leader. Rathe then admitting like Crazy KIm of North Korea that he can't feed his people.
here is a copy and paste of my own.
All communist economies eventually floundered because of lack of monetary incentives. They reduced the lowest levels of poverty, but could not advance the general material welfare.
Internal violence was reduced, but not necessarily international violence. The only societies that had successful communist economies were primitive native tribes, e.g., American Indians, where most goods were owned by the tribe and personal possessions were few. However, we know what happened to these peoples when confronted by the capitalists!
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/18703.html
Enforcement is severe by western standards. For instance:
“That's because a person can get more jail time for killing a cow than killing a human, under Cuban law. Cow killers can get four to 10 years in prison under a toughened crime law adopted in January. Those who transport or sell the meat from an illegally slaughtered cow can get three to eight years. Providing beef at an unauthorized restaurant or workplace can fetch two to five years. And buying contraband beef is punishable by three months to one year in jail or a steep fine. Authorities also have the power to confiscate all or part of the property of anyone involved in black-market cattle dealings.” [5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_Cuba
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You and GC are smug about the infallibility of your two-bit anecdotal responses and observations which you claim or say are derived from personal experience.
I don't know whether your anecdotes come from personal experience, but I know that aren't infallible.
An anecdote either illustrates something that (1) represents the whole or (2) mis-represents the whole or (3) partly represents and partly mis-represents the whole.
It easy to find anecdotes for any of three possibilities.
Given the intense bias that you and GC harbor in favor of the bourgeoisie and capitalism, we are certain that you are selective and slanted in you anecdotal choices.
Stats and data don't disturb you, it's the source.
I cite World Bank, CIA , UN, Wiki, and IMF as my chief sources to disarm you.
If I beleived everthing I read then I guess Superman is real.
You have to get out once and while and mingle with the locals.
I remember going to a young lady's home and having dinner with her family in Havana.
I was curious about things and asked about Fidel and why there were heavily armed soldiers at every corner. when my voice got too loud they told me to shhh , and the father got up and closed the window,
They told me later that they could be arrested for conspiracy and there were ears everwhere.
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Excepting those just coming into adulthood, all of the Cubans have had their rice cooker for about two years now.
So, your "info" is really dated.
The Cuban ration book assures that there is rice to put into the cooker.
The wildly successful energy revolution assures there is electricity to turn the cooker on.
In the sprawling shantytowns of Latin America and Caribbean where tens of millions of people under Latin American capitalism cook their rice ... if they have any ... using newspapers, scraps of woods or anything else they can find in the streets, a rice cooker, like the devices every Cuban has, would be judged a blessing that could only come from at least three divine beings.
In the swanky neighborhoods of Latin America, the bourgeois sneers at the rice cooker. He ... after all ... has an electric range, disher washer, and a wondrous garbage grinder.
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Jander,you are really a clumsy agent of the US Treasury Department 's Office of Foreign Asset Control which administers the US imperialist blockade of Cuba.
http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/
Jander, would you object in any way or to any degree if I set you up, too?
Jander, have you ever smuggled cocaine into the USA? [Please, be truthful and specific.]
Believe me, I'm not agent of US Drug Enforcement Administration. I'm just setting you up for the fun of it.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/index.htm
By the way, Jander, when you smuggle illegal drugs into the USA, do you let any of your family members and friends who reside in the USA consume gratuitously your imports? Do you charge them?
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That sounds more like the USA than Cuba.
Are you sure where you were?
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GC, you are uncouth. You have no class. It's a good thing your doctor got you on crazy drugs.
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I'm one of them rare Texans who hasn't ridden a horse or shot anybody [ I misssed.]. As far as I know, no Cuban has gotten into my blood line. But I believe I have some that fine Caribbean blood in me; so, some divine being may bestow grace on me and save me.
But I hope He doesn't save me soon.
Just a matter of time..
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In Marxist ideology, an exchange of ideas exercising God-bestowed power of rationality is not "brainwashing." The exercise of reason is deemed "brainwashing" in bourgeois ideology because the ideological aim is to develop sheep, robots, or vicious dogs.
"Brainwashing" is a procedure which occurs most in about 60 USA-run concentration camps where over 500,000 people are tortured, told what to say and what to believe, and murdered if they resist imperialist brainwashing.
Vile and filthy US bourgeois liars first denied they "brainwashed" up to 2006 when photos of the horrible brainwashing at the Abu Ghraib camp run by the US imperialists surfaced.
Denials are worthless now.
I am not with any government agency.
I don't smuggle anything , I don't need to I am Capitalist remember ?
Oops I lied
I did bring back some cigars that had a questionable origin once and got away with it.
I was sweatin like a "hooker in church"
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The purchasing power of the monthly ration book includes:
Product ..........................................Quantity ........................Price (CUP)
Rice.................................................. 6 lb.................................. 0.70 / lb
Beans............................................. 20 oz. ...............................0.32 / lb
White sugar .................................... 3 lb................................ 0.15 / lb
Dark sugar ...................................... 3 lb................................ 0.10 / lb
Milk ( children under 7)................... 1 lt /day..........................0.25 each
Eggs (*)............................................ 12 ....................................0.15 each
Potatoes/bananas....................... . 15 lb ................................0.40 / lb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_Cuba
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The Cuban workers produce HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TONS of food every year on their stunningly successful urban farms. The produce from urban farms is sold on nearby sidewalks mostly in CUPs, not CUCs or hard currencies like the euro.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/20....B-FEA-GEN-Cuba-Farming-Havana.php
Cuba has two official currencies, the CUP, roughly worth a US quarter, and the CUC, roughly worth a US dollar. Euros unofficially also circulate rather freely.
Whether the ration book last 15 days or 31 days depends on the magnitude of owner's appetite. Some people eat a month's food in two weeks or one week or even one hour, like gluttons who are common in the USA.
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Liar Reyhavana means that seven-year olds don't recieve milk at home under their parents' ration book after the kid reaches 7 years of age.
But contrary to Reyhavana's dirty lies and insinuations, 7, 8, 9 10, 11, and 12 year olds continue drink milk at school.
In the rest of Latin America and Caribbean, there aren't any ration books whether the books last two weeks or one month. There aren'ty any urban farms whether the produce is sold in local or foreign currencies. In the rest of Latin America and Caribbean, millions of people don't have the slightest idea where their next meal is coming from.
Slimy Reyhavana believes the Cuban worker, armed with his ration book, is worst off than the millions in Latin Amreica and the Caribbean who don't have a crumb and don't know where to get a crumb.
Slimy Reyhavana loves to kidnap others' kids, like Elian Gonzalez..
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Bourgeois regimes in the rest of Latin America and Caribbean don't even provide milk to children UNDER six years old by either parents' ration books or school nutrition programs.
But slime like Reyhavana, full of bourgeois lies, climbs on his high horse, pulls out his sword and aims at the Cuban ration book "Comrades, for the glory of US imperialism and of Miami lunatics, liberate the people of Cuba from the exploitation and oppression of their ration books. Charge!"
Cuba remits:
(1) Critical medical services, supplies, equipment, and whole hospitals
(2) educational services -- teachers, supplies, books, audio-visual equipment and whole schools
(3) construction
(4) sport services
(5) agricultural services, and
(6) engineering services, especially in the energy field
These items are remitted to 70 countries every year.
If these items were expressed at their value in the "free market" ... which otherwise is so dear to malignant bourgeois hypocrites ... or, in other words, if the USA, EU or Canadian imperialists had to supply these same items, the value of the remittances would be appraised in billions of dollars.
Must remittances be in cash or can they assume the form of other values in lieu of cash?
In any case, what's the economic significance of petty scraps and crumbs ... cash or otherwise ... the "relatives abroad" [Miami and Union City] send home if their imperial slave masters in D.C. let them.
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"If you dont have relatives abroad ... you dont have CUC to buy some stuffs," the liar Reyhavana asserts.
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Let's forget about the urban farms that employ 350,000 workers in Cuba and pretend they don't exist.
Why is slime like Reyhavana throwing this rubbish about "relatives abroad" in our faces?
Is Cuba the only country in the region which gets remittances from relatives abroad?
Does Cuba depend more on remittances from relatives abroad than other countries in the region?
US imperialists let relatives abroad from other countries send remittances of any size to their home countries, but represses Cuban relatives abroad into sending quarterly remittances of only $300 or less.
How can Cuba be more dependent on remittances than its neighbors?
More importantly, what about the remittances, prompted by liberality and compassion, the socialist Cuban workers send abroad to their brothers and sisters every year?
But Cuba produces far below its potential, many of the larger farm cooperatives have never turned a profit, and Cuba’s annual food import bill is now about $1.6 billion. Raul Castro has focused on agriculture – he settled debts to producers and raised prices paid to producers for milk and beef, and he called for broader changes in his speech last July.
The prices are well within the purchases power of the Cuban consumers which in large part explains the stunning success of the urban farms, a model for other countries that rely on bourgeois farmers.
I am happy to see them set up shop in punta Cana...this will save me a lot of driving to Santo Domingo......oh...sorry....i strayed off topic...what was the article about??? I just read the forum replies above and I must have posted in the wrong thread...thought this was about Aero Caribbean...not Cuban politics.
Oh well...you regulars...keep fighting the fight that you seem to bring into every story.
Welcome to Punta Cana Aero Caribbean!!!
you contradict yoursef if a person gets according to the ration libreta (key word RATION) as is called what they are supposed to get (by the way the fact that is due to them doesnt mean is available) that person will run out of food before the month end. ie: 6 lbs of rice divided by 30 days equals 0.2 oz a day or 0.1 oz per meal do you actually know what that is after cooking it . so for arguement sake just divide the list that you made before by the days in a month and see if is enough.
Rice.................................................. 6 lb.................................. 0.70 / lb
Beans............................................. 20 oz. ...............................0.32 / lb
White sugar .................................... 3 lb................................ 0.15 / lb
Dark sugar ...................................... 3 lb................................ 0.10 / lb
Milk ( children under 7).................
I have flown with Aero Caribbean a good number of times....very good experience. Flight was on time, crew personible and the sandwich they serve ( yes...they actually still feed you on some of the airlines in the world) is very tasty...as is the complimentary Havana Club and Cristal beer.
I am happy to see them set up shop in Punta Cana...this will save me a lot of driving to Santo Domingo......oh...sorry....i strayed off topic...what was the article about??? I just read the forum replies above and I must have posted in the wrong thread...thought this was about Aero Caribbean...not Cuban politics.
Oh well...you regulars...keep fighting the fight that you seem to bring into every story.
Welcome to Punta Cana Aero Caribbean!!!